I love scienc-y threads like this.
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Shame I'm too stupid to understand much :D
[QUOTE=bravehat;29673143]We have the resources on this planet to support at least 10 billion people, we just currently suck dick at resource management.[/QUOTE]
Alright, well, as soon as we get that and all the other problems fixed then I'm all for biological immortality.
I'm fine with dying after a normal lifespan, but it'd be really nice if I could stop decaying at a good age.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;29673295]Alright, well, as soon as we get that and all the other problems fixed then I'm all for biological immortality.[/QUOTE]
Well frankly I'm more than happy becoming immortal and the putting long term plans into action that would take decades to achieve, instead of taking stop gap quick fix solutions that never really fix the problem.
Immortality would be very useful for planning.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29672932]Yeah but the most likely method would be pulling apart the body atom by atom catalouging the location of each and contructing a replica at the other end. If you're gonna move the atoms from one place to another you would be as well just leaving the person as a whole and to travel on their own.[/QUOTE]
Moving a bunch of atoms randomly is easier than moving them all together in that formation.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29673332]Well frankly I'm more than happy becoming immortal and the putting long term plans into action that would take decades to achieve, instead of taking stop gap quick fix solutions that never really fix the problem.
Immortality would be very useful for planning.[/QUOTE]
I get your point and I kind off agree though I would not like to become immortal myself. I feel that it would bring down the quality and beautiful sparkle of life, personally.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;29655855]Anyone posting in this thread was born too soon and missed out on being a designer baby.
Can't help but feel down about that.[/QUOTE]
what is a designer baby? ... i don't catch
@OP
we have the thinking ability to evolve ourselves.
Evolution is now something we can simulate within ourselves and produce/engineer(genetically) what we want.
I say we should work for it.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29673224]Emergent phenomena dude, all we are is machines, just carbon based ones.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but organics minds can perform operations that would be impossible for machines to do.
[QUOTE=myalt22;29673234]I love scienc-y threads like this.
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Shame I'm too stupid to understand much :D[/QUOTE]
just google everything you don't understand.
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[QUOTE=JgcxCub;29673444]Yes, but organics minds can perform operations that would be impossible for machines to do.[/QUOTE]
machines that we have designed.
if we designed something that operates and is connected like the human brain... then... ... ... then it'd be possible
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rather, it'd be done... it's possible
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machines that we have designed.
if we designed something that operates and is connected like the human brain... then... ... ... then it'd be possible
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rather, it'd be done... it's possible[/QUOTE]
That's true, it would be extremely difficult, but not impossible - as long as it's organic. It would be impossible with silicon, or switches, or otherwise.
Not sure I'd want to live like that. Can't say why, it just doesn't sit well with me.
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We have the resources on this planet to support at least 10 billion people, we just currently suck dick at resource management.[/QUOTE]
If people were immortal we'd surpass that 10 billion mark really quickly.
[QUOTE=JgcxCub;29673444]Yes, but organics minds can perform operations that would be impossible for machines to do.[/QUOTE]
Name one.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;29660110]Yeah good luck with that whole colonization, you realize we can't even send a man to Mars because it takes years and years? We haven't found any hospitable, sustainable planets in our galaxy, so you're talking about an intergalactic trip to find planets to colonize with billions of immortal idiots.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you missed the part where they were discussing the increased lifespans of humans?
Therefore, going to mars over 'years and years' wouldn't seem so long comparatively to your superhuman lifespan.
If you take this tistolate or whatever out of these rats to stop aging, would it keep children, teenagers, or anyone at that state? AKA, some two year old would be stuck like that for a bit?
[QUOTE=Chezhead;29673674]If you take this tistolate or whatever out of these rats to stop aging, would it keep children, teenagers, or anyone at that state? AKA, some two year old would be stuck like that for a bit?[/QUOTE]
No it most likely wouldn't, since it doesn't stop development, only ageing.
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If I've understood this right.
I actually wouldn't mind having something like a robot arm. A robot arm is badass. Not 2 arms though, just one. Maybe a hand. Yeah, a robot hand would be awesome too.
[QUOTE=myalt22;29673234]I love scienc-y threads like this.
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Shame I'm too stupid to understand much :D[/QUOTE]
Transhumanism will fix that
[QUOTE=JgcxCub;29673544]That's true, it would be extremely difficult, but not impossible - as long as it's organic. It would be impossible with silicon, or switches, or otherwise.[/QUOTE]
I'm curious to know why it's impossible with silicon, switches and stuff.
This is a sincere inquiry, there is a lot of physics I'm not aware of.
Explain?
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;29673608]Name one.[/QUOTE]
abstract thought
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genuine inspiration
dreams
learning
etc.
[QUOTE=edja007;29672435]Why? Meat is weak and easy to damage. If I could have a robot body with no drawbacks, I'd take it over meaty body anyday.[/QUOTE]
The thing is, machines aren't self-maintaining like we are (to an extent). A machine will need to be repaired for every fault it accumulates, whereas in an organic body, damage is repaired automatically. Unless you get a limb chopped off or something, obviously.
[QUOTE=Bokito;29673782]I actually wouldn't mind having something like a robot arm. A robot arm is badass. Not 2 arms though, just one. Maybe a hand. Yeah, a robot hand would be awesome too.[/QUOTE]
You could install a prosthetic shotgun in your arm
This thread depresses and scares me
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;29674217]You could install a prosthetic shotgun in your arm[/QUOTE]
Screw off your hand, shoot someone, screw your hand back on.
Weapons? I don't know what you're talking about!
Why have immortality? We're already having problems with overpopulation in certain countries already.
what is consciousness
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;29674447]Why have immortality? We're already having problems with overpopulation in certain countries already.[/QUOTE]
well you can die if you want, however not all of us share your enthusiasm
[QUOTE=Odellus;29674693]what is consciousness[/QUOTE]
incorrect, the answer was "what is a smartass" for $400
[QUOTE=cccritical;29673930]abstract thought
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genuine inspiration
dreams
learning
etc.[/QUOTE]
Computers can abstract: If they did not have means of abstraction they would be lumps of light and all we could do to them would be poke at them with magnetized needles. A computer's behavior and routines can be abstracted. That's how pretty much everything works with a computer.
"Genuine inspiration" is never genuine. It obviously has to be ideas that are born of the clumping and sorting of other ideas, which are formed by the clumping [...] starting with memories of the real world, which we get through senses. The human brain just adds the random noise.
Dreams as in things during sleep or desires? In the latter case a mind in a computer would be more than capable of them. For the machine 'desire' would mean an impulse to do something above all else.
Learning, well, that's something computers already do. No, I don't mean static data storage, I mean self-modifying programs.
So yeah son you're a biochauvinist who will just keep narrowing the definition of "conscious" until only a small set of humans can actually be called that.
The problem with transhumanism is, as you said, that death is an integral part of the evolution of organisms.
To be frank, i don't think any of us are ready for an eternity of existence. We wouldn't be able to remember our own lives even, as thousands upon thousands of years would've just passed us by like a whirling cloud of situations. Also, the human mind as of now is hardly the pinnacle of biological computing power. Some of our species even have trouble performing simple mathematics or understanding our natural surroundings.
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