• Could you justify another mass extermination?
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[QUOTE=Samiam22;35633376]For the sake of the argument, don't get hung up on "it'll go extinct in a couple of generations"[/QUOTE] It's impossible to ignore, can't focus on the argument if it makes no sense
In my opinion, there are only four things that can justify the killing of any human being. - Defending your own life. - Defending someone else's life. - Voluntary euthanasia. - In very, very few cases, and only when it's really needed, non-voluntary euthanasia (patient is unable to consent, but the doctor decides it's best for the patient. Mercy killing, basically). Therefore, I believe mass murder is never justified in any way. I find it hypocritical that someone who calls themselves liberal would want to exterminate vocal far-rightists, and then still be against politicide.
Unless it truly threatens our existence as a species (which would likely NEVER happen) then no.
Only when over population becomes a huge, major threat. Other than that, we're somewhat fine without any genocide.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;35646797]Only when over population becomes a huge, major threat. Other than that, we're somewhat fine without any genocide.[/QUOTE]Overpopulation is a self-regulating thing, it's not like we're going to reach a critical point then the entire fucking Earth explodes or some other dumb shit. If there's too many people and not enough food or other needed resource, the population growth will gradually turn to decline until an equilibrium is reached.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;35649918]Overpopulation is a self-regulating thing, it's not like we're going to reach a critical point then the entire fucking Earth explodes or some other dumb shit. If there's too many people and not enough food or other needed resource, the population growth will gradually turn to decline until an equilibrium is reached.[/QUOTE] Too much ambiguity in what situation you could be facing going over that equilibrium though. It would have to be some real depravity, pain to stop some of these people from giving birth i mean [i]fuck[/i]. You have to laugh at the idea of people giving birth at the worst of times like the black plague or something because their compelling story for it is as if hancock just came out of their vagina.
To me it sounds like the OP is trying to justify the killing of anyone who has a difference of opinion with him/her, which is very VERY intolerant and ignorant.
[QUOTE=The Jack;35627089] - The violent. As in the Males (mostly) who like to get into punchups. [/QUOTE] Americans tried to purge this, more specifically criminals of any kind, through a Eugenics movement. The same thing that Germany believed in around the Holocaust. Nazis simplified it to anyone that's not white, to create a master race, while Americans wanted a crime free society, by sterilizing even common thieves. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinner_v._Oklahoma[/url]
[QUOTE=draugur;35650829]To me it sounds like the OP is trying to justify the killing of anyone who has a difference of opinion with him/her, which is very VERY intolerant and ignorant.[/QUOTE] He hasn't even said anything. Stop jumping to stupid conclusions.
I sincerely hope the OP doesn't actually believe this sort of thing. Mass murder for differing opinions/ethnicity is disgusting and it's never justified. Even if they're the worst kind of people on the planet, you just can't justify all of their deaths.
People with disablitys dont reproduce? Im pretty sure I have a disability and have the option to reproduce in the future. Aside from that, this is extremely immoral and should never be considered at all. I hate most of the population of facebook, does that mean everyone on facebook should be killed?
People who use evolutionary terms as justification for genocide and slaughter do not understand how the crucial role of genetic diversity. "Undesirables," in all forms, are essential for humanity's continued evolution and adaptation to a dynamic environment. I say this to stem the inevitable Social Darwin responses. [editline]20th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=dvc;35654297]People with disablitys dont reproduce? Im pretty sure I have a disability and have the option to reproduce in the future. Aside from that, this is extremely immoral and should never be considered at all. I hate most of the population of facebook, does that mean everyone on facebook should be killed?[/QUOTE] Not to mention that genetic diseases serve positive purposes in the population at large, otherwise they would not persist. For instance, the allele responsible for Sickle Cell results in a horrible disease when it is homozygous, but results in no disease and an increased resistance to Malaria when heterozygous. Hence why Sickle Cell is so common in Sub-Saharan Africa (where Malaria is most common, as well). People with the disease who reproduce with someone who has the allele have a ~50% chance of producing genetically beneficial offspring, and there is a ~75% chance when they reproduce with someone who does not have the allele. If you somehow did away with the Sickle Cell allele, more people would die from Malaria than would have died from Sickle Cell itself. To do away with an entire subset of people simply because they have a disease is an extremely short-sighted and downright stupid thing to do. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea does not understand what they're doing or why they're doing it. [editline]20th April 2012[/editline] Also, the United Nations has an inclusive definition of Genocide, which includes "intentionally preventing or displacing births from a particular group of people with the goal to destroy that group in whole or part." So infringing upon reproductive rights IS genocide by recognized international definitions.
FUCK THE JEWS FREE KONY 2012 [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This is not debating." - Megafan))[/highlight]
If you're asking if genocide/mass murder is justifiable, then well yes it theoretically can be (like a case of "kill 5 million now, save 500 million over the next 50 years"), but I don't think it has happened in history (also that we don't have time machines, so saying "oh but I'm just exterminating all Norwegians so that I can save all of Europe in the future" doesn't hold, and if you really believe that much in your future telling capabilities you are most probably fit for institutionalization). Genocide (or on lesser scale, murder) just because you don't like certain types of people is not, under any circumstance.
[QUOTE=sam6420;35664742]Deserves a week imo. Mass genocide can only be justified by opinion.. as such it cannot be justified to the public and justified to everybody at once.[/QUOTE] Well of course it can't be justified to everyone especially not the people you're genociding
[QUOTE=sam6420;35664742]Deserves a week imo. Mass genocide can only be justified by opinion.. as such it cannot be justified to the public and justified to everybody at once.[/QUOTE] Any first debate offense that doesn't overtly break other rules is a day ban in my book. More for second offense, third offense, and so on.
[QUOTE=Megafan;35669933]Any first debate offense that doesn't overtly break other rules is a day ban in my book. More for second offense, third offense, and so on.[/QUOTE] Did you see what Tamaru said? Week seems reasonable. [B]EDIT*[/B] Nevermind, I did not read who banned him. Sorry. [editline]22nd April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=dvc;35654297]People with disablitys dont reproduce? Im pretty sure I have a disability and have the option to reproduce in the future. Aside from that, this is extremely immoral and should never be considered at all. I hate most of the population of facebook, does that mean everyone on facebook should be killed?[/QUOTE] Anything can be taken as a disability these days. For example I am considered disabled due to the fact I have dygraphia (Bad penmanship). So by doing that, they could kill anyone they pretty much wanted to.
[QUOTE=The Jack;35627089]Thinking of the holocaust- Would it realy be considered such a terrible event if the nazi's Didn't target ethnicities and minorities but rather certain personalities and traits or used different strategies? I mean- Australia tried to remove the aborigines by breeding them out and Most Non-australians never even learn of it. Would you WANT types of people to disappear in order to make your life easier? examples [b]- The Racist/homophobic/very conservative who share their opinions very loudly. Most people see these groups as strange initialy, but we get over it. Id realy like to get society to a point where jokes concerning race and sexual orientation can be funny and unoffensive - The People who can't change their minds, Even when their beliefs have been shown false or are proven to be highly illogical. - Political beliefs (i would preferably keep people to the left wing and liberal minded- Because i have concluded that the opposite is wrong, but i think that if something has it's values i shouldn't force a change) [/b] Edit: i don't simply mean Killing them all. Other ways to do it include disallowing a certain ammount of reproduction.[/QUOTE] Way to contradict yourself there. Essentially you think people shouldn't be persecuted for political beliefs, unless they disagree with your political beliefs.
[QUOTE=The Jack;35627089]Thinking of the holocaust- Would it realy be considered such a terrible event if the nazi's Didn't target ethnicities and minorities but rather certain personalities and traits or used different strategies? I mean- Australia tried to remove the aborigines by breeding them out and Most Non-australians never even learn of it. Would you WANT types of people to disappear in order to make your life easier? examples - The violent. As in the Males (mostly) who like to get into punchups. - People who are against reading and can't speak coherently (who have access to free education) - The Racist/homophobic/very conservative who share their opinions very loudly. Most people see these groups as strange initialy, but we get over it. Id realy like to get society to a point where jokes concerning race and sexual orientation can be funny and unoffensive - The People who can't change their minds, Even when their beliefs have been shown false or are proven to be highly illogical. Avoiding of course.. - Ethnicity. What you are attracted too (I am even fine with peadophiles- so long as they don't act on it. ) and religion (unless it's harmful to society- There are members from every group) - Political beliefs (i would preferably keep people to the left wing and liberal minded- Because i have concluded that the opposite is wrong, but i think that if something has it's values i shouldn't force a change) - Nationality - People with disabilities- Most of them do not reproduce. Edit: i don't simply mean Killing them all. Other ways to do it include disallowing a certain ammount of reproduction.[/QUOTE] There is no possible justification for this. It's absolutely psychotic to think this is okay. It's wrong to do it to one person, why should doing it to everyone be okay? You have to be sick minded to support mass extermination. [editline]25th April 2012[/editline] There's just nothing there. There shouldn't be any support.
Yes it would be better for our world if the amount of disabled/smokers/idiot republicans/etc got reduced down to about 0%.
All those twats that parade around shouting about how islam will conquer europe and take over the world. If we tried the shit they try where in their land/homes they would cut our throats. [video=youtube;C9fC-3Z6oD4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9fC-3Z6oD4[/video]
[QUOTE=orcywoo6;35712564]All those twats that parade around shouting about how islam will conquer europe and take over the world. If we tried the shit they try where in their land/homes they would cut our throats. [video=youtube;C9fC-3Z6oD4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9fC-3Z6oD4[/video][/QUOTE] Wow, you are incredibly racist.
no who determines which people have to go? nobody's ever going to agree on anything in this line of thinking unless you just mean doing it without consent as dictators do; in which case, as Mabus said, that kind of person doesn't really care about justifying it to anyone else
Yes, you could justify a mass extermination, but probably not for the reasons mentioned in the OP, for instance, a mass extermination of people above a certain age will be required in the future, possibly even one of the group of people who contribute the least to the world in any beneficial way as the amount of population which the Earth can support is reached and surpassed, which would lead to dwindling standards of living until they fall past a certain point which would justify destruction of a certain amount of people so that the rest of the world can survive. Would [U][B]you [/B][/U] kill 100 people to save 101? Anything is justifiably in the right circumstances.
If we are going to exterminate people we should exterminate the people that are less fit to survive. That will leave us with a good number for our species, leave us with the strongest and over-population would not be a problem for millennia.
we should kill all the people who cannot be a benefit to society, so that i may play my video games in peace, and not have to workd extra hours at the Keva Juice for my fucker manager Jonathon, who is one of the people, who is not a benefit.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35725239]we should kill all the people who cannot be a benefit to society, so that i may play my video games in peace, and not have to workd extra hours at the Keva Juice for my fucker manager Jonathon, who is one of the people, who is not a benefit.[/QUOTE] You have it right my friend. We should just kill off everyone.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;35629301] I'd say that we're mentally completely clear at birth, all the trivial drama comes afterwards.[/QUOTE] As in "Mentally Clear" I hope you mean no bias. Because they don't know enough about the world to know what to like. Henceforth it means that they only like themselves and would rather have everyone else dead, if they knew they could die. There are like 5 to 7 stages of bias that they have to go through in order to have a normal life. When they are born they are in the first stage for like 3 months. The last stage I remember is nicknamed the "Messiah" stage. But whatever. Freudian Psychology is a very debatable topic. At least I think Freud made the stages. But Genocide can never be justified and will never be justified.
[QUOTE=The Jack;35627089] examples - People who are against reading and can't speak coherently (who have access to free education) [/QUOTE] Yeah let's kill people who have problems communicating and dyslexics too while we're at it.
Oh, you can't justify it, but I'd do it. Why? Let's just say I have a very big arrogance and a god complex. I like and get off of deciding who should live, and who should not. [editline]27th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Croix;35732649]Yeah let's kill people who have problems communicating and dyslexics too while we're at it.[/QUOTE] But even this goes too far for me.
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