What a cat really sees when looking at a person's face - General

So, is the cat face on the movie just an ironic artifact or is the cat really altering the image in it's head that much?

Cats may be so egoistic, they put their face on everything.

That's really interesting. I wanna see a video of them showing the cat loads of different things, like toys, food, animals that they hunt, enemy cats, friendly cats etc.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Communism;29738907]So, is the cat face on the movie just an ironic artifact or is the cat really altering the image in it's head that much?[/QUOTE] Probably just an artifact. To be honest, I think the quality is too bad to recognize anything at all. Also, you have to think that if it works for the cat, it probably does so for us aswell, mean that if the cat alters what it sees in its head, then we also alter what we see in our head. That means that if you think the face on the screen looks like a cat-like face, maybe you're just altering it in your head. (which I think is highly probably, since there is so little detail) If it actually does alter faces to look more like cat-faces in it's head, then that is somewhat horrifying. That means the things they see are false, because their brain just downright changes the input. And that means that what we see may be altered, too. Everything we see is shopped.

So, my cat thinks I'm a Na'vi? Pretty cool :buddy: [editline]10th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;29739274]Probably just an artifact. To be honest, I think the quality is too bad to recognize anything at all. Also, you have to think that if it works for the cat, it probably does so for us aswell, mean that if the cat alters what it sees in its head, then we also alter what we see in our head. That means that if you think the face on the screen looks like a cat-like face, maybe you're just altering it in your head. (which I think is highly probably, since there is so little detail) If it actually does alter faces to look more like cat-faces in it's head, then that is somewhat horrifying. That means the things they see are false, because their brain just downright changes the input. And that means that what we see may be altered, too. Everything we see is shopped.[/QUOTE] We already do. [img]http://levanda.co.uk/Images/drawn_face.jpg[/img] Show this image to someone, and ask what is it: "It's a face of a woman" Now show the same image to your cat: "Take this shit away and give me food" Those are the shortcuts our brain uses. It's because our brain is a lazy fuck. Another example: [img]http://rankbuilder.com/images/dot.jpg[/img] Imagine that the dot is moving Show it to someone: "It's a dot. Stop showing me those dumb pictures you sick fu- Now show it to a cat: "It's a prey bitch, gotta catch it!" We are laughing when our cat is chasing a laser dot, but in cat's eyes, we are just dumbfucks looking at that big glowing seizure box, all day, every day.

It looked like a minecraft creeper there for a second...

That does it, I'm giving my cat up for adoption - get that thing away from me

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[QUOTE=Raptor_S;29739320] We already do. [...][/QUOTE] Yes, but what you're talking about is more about associations and perception. We can make out that the dot is visually a dark grey ball. What you associate that with is a different talk. The first drawing is a little more tricky. But as in the other example, we can still see what it actually looks like, visually. We can detect all the lines, we can see every line as they are. But, when we take in associations, we realize that two blobs with lines above it and dots inside of them are eyes, and when there are eyes, there must also be a nose and a mouth. From this, we don't have to pay attention to the nose, which looks like a penis anyways, but as we percieve what must now be the lips, we see that they are big and therefore we come to the conclusion that it's a woman. After that, it's only logical that she will have hair, and that's what the rest of the lines are. But the thing is, that doesn't change what it [i]actually looks like[/i], even though we can, with a little good will, see that it's supposed to be a woman, it's actually just a mess of lines. What the video in the OP suggests is something else entirely, not only does it imply that the cat associates human faces with cat faces, it actually implies that the visual input is directly changed into a cat's face. It's not just percieving similarities, it's actually [i]making[/i] similarities. It ignores reality and substitutes is own. That is not the same as associating it with something. And that is scary, because that means we cannot trust that the light hitting our eyes is the same thing we see in our brains, because if this is true, the brain doesn't give a fuck, and it will make you see what it wants you to.

Is this why my cat runs away from me sometimes

[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;29740714]Yes, but what you're talking about is more about associations and perception. We can make out that the dot is visually a dark grey ball. What you associate that with is a different talk. The first drawing is a little more tricky. But as in the other example, we can still see what it actually looks like, visually. We can detect all the lines, we can see every line as they are. But, when we take in associations, we realize that two blobs with lines above it and dots inside of them are eyes, and when there are eyes, there must also be a nose and a mouth. From this, we don't have to pay attention to the nose, which looks like a penis anyways, but as we percieve what must now be the lips, we see that they are big and therefore we come to the conclusion that it's a woman. After that, it's only logical that she will have hair, and that's what the rest of the lines are. But the thing is, that doesn't change what it [i]actually looks like[/i], even though we can, with a little good will, see that it's supposed to be a woman, it's actually just a mess of lines. What the video in the OP suggests is something else entirely, not only does it imply that the cat associates human faces with cat faces, it actually implies that the visual input is directly changed into a cat's face. It's not just percieving similarities, it's actually [i]making[/i] similarities. It ignores reality and substitutes is own. That is not the same as associating it with something. And that is scary, because that means we cannot trust that the light hitting our eyes is the same thing we see in our brains, because if this is true, the brain doesn't give a fuck, and it will make you see what it wants you to.[/QUOTE] Oh, I see what you mean now. Well, there is no doubt that what we see differs from what our brain gives us, the scary part is, how much is it changing?

The video was low resolution because the scientists only used 127 electrodes to analyse the brain activity. Obviously a cat's retina has many many times more cells than this, so sees more clearly than the video. Another thing the cat does that the scientists didn't in this case, is apply a shit load of filtering to the signals coming from its optic nerve, to get rid of the noise. Also, the pixels you see were placed in that order by the scientists, so there will have been some gaps in the pixels bigger than others etc, and may have been errors in the order. A cat's brain isn't laid out like an excel spreadsheet with x and y axis like a computer displaying an array of pixels. Final point: the narrator is a retard, there is no way that face looks like a cat, and no physical reason for the raw image coming from a cat's eye to interpret it as one, it is just a grainy image.

So this is why my cat hides from me I look like a 6ft dog-man

Holy sweet shit, this is amazing.

[QUOTE=Sqwerp;29735697]This is one step closer to a dream recording device, which, if you cut out the socio-political aspects of looking into someone's dreams, is something I want. I want to be able to record a dream and watch it later. That would be totally awesome.[/QUOTE] Free pornos here I come!

If this were a dog everybody would be screaming 'ANIMAL ABUSE', but since it's a cat everybody seems completely fine with it. Pet bias anyone?

[QUOTE=Anthophobian;29742602]If this were a dog everybody would be screaming 'ANIMAL ABUSE', but since it's a cat everybody seems completely fine with it. Pet bias anyone?[/QUOTE] The cat didn't even get hurt all he had to do is sit there with that thing on its head.

[QUOTE=Raptor_S;29740907]Oh, I see what you mean now. Well, there is no doubt that what we see differs from what our brain gives us, the scary part is, how much is it changing?[/QUOTE] Quite so. For all I know my walls could be covered in the eyes of eldritch abominations that watch me while I sleep or fap, and i'd be none the wiser. I could be staring at my toenails and they could be bending in all sorts of weird ways, though to me they look moderately normal, a bit gnarled but that's natural. Ok, probably not things as extreme as that, but there's always the possibility that we are seeing more than our brain registers, or that our eyes cannot perceive those other folded-up dimensions that scientists speak about all the time.

[QUOTE=Sqwerp;29735697]It's not really that creepy. It's actually quite awesome that we've come this far in translating brain-video into digital video. This is one step closer to a dream recording device, which, if you cut out the socio-political aspects of looking into someone's dreams, is something I want. I want to be able to record a dream and watch it later. That would be totally awesome.[/QUOTE] If you're any good at Lucid Dreaming/Astral Projection you could already do that.

I think that hideous face-thingy image is just the result of the low resolution, and the fact that the cat probably cannot fully "comprehend", so to say, the human face, it can only identify there being a mouth, a nose and eyes.

[QUOTE=Doomish;29736621]Cats see as if everything were a Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff comic. Consunk useless cat eyes! :argh:[/QUOTE] Goddamn it I want cat eyes

Now someone replace it with a creeper face.

Nice animal abuse, did the cat ask to be strapped down and forced to watch videos? We don't do this stuff to humans, and the cat can't even defend itself!

[QUOTE=ironman17;29742828]Quite so. For all I know my walls could be covered in the eyes of eldritch abominations that watch me while I sleep or fap, and i'd be none the wiser. I could be staring at my toenails and they could be bending in all sorts of weird ways, though to me they look moderately normal, a bit gnarled but that's natural. Ok, probably not things as extreme as that, but there's always the possibility that we are seeing more than our brain registers, or that our eyes cannot perceive those other folded-up dimensions that scientists speak about all the time.[/QUOTE] ... Then just touch your face to see if it feels the same as it looks ? Also that image is creepy as fuck, even though it's rather clearly due to massive artifacting.

There's a good quote to put here. "Nothing we see is real. It is a front by our consciousness." Imagining how cats 'see' and think is somewhat terrifying. [QUOTE=Badunkadunk;29743639]Nice animal abuse, did the cat ask to be strapped down and forced to watch videos? We don't do this stuff to humans, and the cat can't even defend itself![/QUOTE] Does it look malnourished? Is it struggling, writhing in pain? No. Look at that cat. That is a damn healthy cat. You're bitching about animal abuse, yet we send hundreds of calves to the slaughterhouse each day and cram chickens in spaces so tiny, that we have to cut off their beaks so they don't commit suicide. Get your priorities straight.

I want to see if this has been done to any other animal.

[QUOTE=RixxzIV;29743654]... Then just touch your face to see if it feels the same as it looks ?[/QUOTE] Same shit applies to all the other senses.

I don't see a fucking catface. Am I the only one who can't make out a bunch of random pixels? And while the cat might relate our faces with theirs, that doesn't mean it actually changes the physical representation of our faces through their view does it?

This gives whole new reason to the word Catscan.

What if cats look more like people than what we really seem them as? Cats look even more like cats then we knew!