Social stigma against being fat is totally normal in moderation.
I'm not talking about lynching fat people in the street, but if there is any type of shame in being fat, its a good thing.
Like I heard someone say this before, if social sigmas didn't exist, we may still be walking around with powdered white wigs and monocles.
Your organs are being crushed on the inside by tons of unneeded fat due to poor eating/exercise habits, its for your benefit you are looked at differently.
Fat people cost the country money. If the country has to support you because you're too fat to get a job, then you're costing the country money that could be better allocated somewhere else.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;37649297]Social stigma against being fat is totally normal in moderation.
I'm not talking about lynching fat people in the street, but if there is any type of shame in being fat, its a good thing.
Like I heard someone say this before, if social sigmas didn't exist, we may still be walking around with powdered white wigs and monocles.
Your organs are being crushed on the inside by tons of unneeded fat due to poor eating/exercise habits, its for your benefit you are looked at differently.
Fat people cost the country money. If the country has to support you because you're too fat to get a job, then you're costing the country money that could be better allocated somewhere else.[/QUOTE]
Your point on fat people costing country money is wrong.
Anybody with an unhealthy lifestyle actually saves countries money in universal health care systems because they die earlier in life.
Also, as said earlier, you can be fat and healthy.
[QUOTE=Valnar;37653214]Your point on fat people costing country money is wrong.
Anybody with an unhealthy lifestyle actually saves countries money in universal health care systems because they die earlier in life.
Also, as said earlier, you can be fat and healthy.[/QUOTE]
Aren't they also more likely to require care more frequently throughout their lives though? Also won't they have to go into a care home or something much earlier than a healthy elderly person might?
[QUOTE=Valnar;37653214]Your point on fat people costing country money is wrong.
Anybody with an unhealthy lifestyle actually saves countries money in universal health care systems because they die earlier in life.
Also, as said earlier, you can be fat and healthy.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you can be fat and healthy, but that's considered being an endomoprh. What most, if not everybody, is talking about is the people who shouldn't be fat but are grossly overweight.
[QUOTE=Keyblockor;37653577]Yes, you can be fat and healthy, but that's considered being an endomoprh. What most, if not everybody, is talking about is the people who shouldn't be fat but are grossly overweight.[/QUOTE]
The topic of this thread is "Thin Privlage" which encompasses all of the spectrum of being overweight.
Also being an endomorph wasn't what I was referring to, I was referring to the fact that you can be overweight (not through muscle) and still have no health side effects.
However those people who are overweight and healthy are still subject to the social stigma of being fat in society which links to the fact that Thin Privlage is an actual thing.
Secondly being obese shouldn't be a social issue, it should be a purely health issue. Enforcing social stigmas against obese people only hurts their recovery.
So because of these stigmas against being overweight you end up getting some people who develop some mental disorders, like depression or eating disorders, and then aren't able to just will themselves to exercise and eat healthy in order become healthy.
This is the crux of what Thin Privilege is about, that there is a negative atmosphere society creates against people who are overweight, regardless of the health implications, that can cause actual mental harm to some.
Fat people need to stop acting like they're so damn victimized. Fuck yeah you're gonna pay for two seats if your fat ass takes up two seats. Read any fat-acceptance blog/tumbler and you'll see these blobby masses comparing themselves to minorities in terms of discrimination.
I honestly find it extremely juvenile that someone could let themselves balloon up in weight just because of that sweet instant gratification of putting something sugary in your mouth, thats what children do, letting yourself go because of laziness or lack of discipline deserves you a seat at the kids table.
To then complain that people dont find them attractive/think they should pay extra so they dont cost airlines money/any other fattyproblem is just playing the victimcard for your own incompetence.
Food should be priced according to the calories it has to give.
1$ - 100 calories.
[QUOTE=Valnar;37653214]Your point on fat people costing country money is wrong.
Anybody with an unhealthy lifestyle actually saves countries money in universal health care systems because they die earlier in life.
Also, as said earlier, you can be fat and healthy.[/QUOTE]
So they die earlier so they pay less taxes? I'm afraid you're wrong.
An obese person going in and out of the hospital plus receiving disability payments can still live a long life.
And that costs the country much more than normal hospital visits from a average health individual.
Sounds like fat people trying to put themselves on the same level with the likes of women or blacks, despite the fact that they choose to be fat so they can't really complain about discrimination beyond it being not nice.
Also the fat gene from what I know is bullshit
[url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-02/am-fat-genes/3614296[/url]
Being thin isn't like being rich or being black. Being thin is, for the vast majority of teenagers and older, a choice that very nearly every single person could make. There is not limit to how many people can be thin at any given time, and genes for the most part have a minor impact on weight. There are some circumstances (thyroid diseases or being young and having landwhale parents that eat nothing but mcdonalds for every meal) where you can't really help it but these are the exceptions.
If you don't care about being a normal weight for social reasons, you should at least care about it for health reasons. I'm not a doctor and I won't bother googling all the ways that healthy-weight people are better off than those who are morbidly obese, this is a common sense thing.
I judge overweight people just like I judge the ones that don't wash their hair or don't wear deodorant or never change their clothes. For the most part all of these things are choices that they consciously made. (Side note, I don't treat people according to any of these things, I treat them according to their character, but that's for a different thread. Don't get the wrong impression or super offended or whatever)
you could argue there's no such thing as choice and that offspring are only the reaction to their parents and sociological background
There is no such thing as thin privilege. You need to be massively overweight to be required to purchase a second seat, and if that much of your body is spilling into the second seat, it's absolutely right to charge for it. Keep in mind that you'd have to be at least 375 pounds for that to even begin to happen, unless you're flying with an airline with extraordinarily narrow seats.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;37654752]So they die earlier so they pay less taxes? I'm afraid you're wrong.
An obese person going in and out of the hospital plus receiving disability payments can still live a long life.
And that costs the country much more than normal hospital visits from a average health individual.[/QUOTE]
They die earlier and don't have to be cared for as an elderly person for nearly as long.
So that eliminates a lot of the money that would have gone into careing for that person, especially if that person would had or would have gotten some age related illness like alzimers.
That is why unhealthly lifestyles like obesity end up costing countries less than healthy lifestyles.
[QUOTE=Valnar;37655151]They die earlier and don't have to be cared for as an elderly person for nearly as long.[/QUOTE]
I don't know where you're getting this.
Private health care facilities/nurses paid for by someone who worked their whole life is minimal compared to a life of government disability check and health complications.
Unless you have statistics I'm unaware of, it's obvious to say a working healthy citizen costs the government more money than a fat person who can't work.
[QUOTE=thisispain;37654894]you could argue there's no such thing as choice and that offspring are only the reaction to their parents and sociological background[/QUOTE]
Yeah but then you can't criticises anyone for anything
[QUOTE=thisispain;37654894]you could argue there's no such thing as choice and that offspring are only the reaction to their parents and sociological background[/QUOTE]
lack of self-control is a choice
[QUOTE=cccritical;37657528]lack of self-control is a choice[/QUOTE]
can you prove that choice exists?
[QUOTE=thisispain;37657601]can you prove that choice exists?[/QUOTE]
i can't, but is there a logical reason to have a world without choice?
[QUOTE=TheHydra;37648644]isn't that shit completely skewed if you have any muscle at all[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;37649192]BMI is a terrible index. Bodybuilders sometimes are labelled as extreme fatasses because of it.
Also yeah, I'd rather let the company decide.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Profanwolf;37649209]Pretty much, my BMI is all sorts of wrong due to my training.[/QUOTE]
I have been lied to by every gym teacher I ever had :suicide:
Being over recommended BMI even if it's because of muscle still causes heart problems.
[QUOTE=Waffle99;37600533]Nice to see the extreme skinny side of it too, thanks clarke.
Seems like so far most people have the same idea. Choosing to let your body go is your own fault and you should accept the consequences and once someone accepts that their new weight is the norm they should expect to have to cope with it.
[editline]9th September 2012[/editline]
I can view it easily from the health and wellness side as I am in the Air Force and we are required to maintain our weight and physical status.
I guess I can add another idea to this, should members of social service such as firefighters, police, medical personnel be required to maintain high physical standards to perform their job?[/QUOTE] Yes members of emergency services should maintain a high physical standard, because just like the military their job is too greatly important and thus need their physical status at its optimal to perform the duties entrusted to them.
The author of that first post is just fat and wants to complain about how thin people have it good.
Life sucks, working at not being a lardass can improve it though, rather than wrtiting angsty blog posts about it.
[QUOTE=thisispain;37654894]you could argue there's no such thing as choice and that offspring are only the reaction to their parents and sociological background[/QUOTE]
At literally any time you can choose to put down the bacon and get on a treadmill
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37697166]At literally any time you can choose to put down the bacon and get on a treadmill[/QUOTE]
what we see as choices are based on our own subjective conditional reality.
if they could choose to be fat, how, why, and when did they choose to be fat?
[QUOTE=thisispain;37697591]what we see as choices are based on our own subjective conditional reality.
if they could choose to be fat, how, why, and when did they choose to be fat?[/QUOTE]
I know women who want to gain weight because it turns themselves on.
[QUOTE=Secrios;37704047]I know women who want to gain weight because it turns themselves on.[/QUOTE]
Your mom sounds like quite a catch.
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Two years ago I was about 91 kg, now I'm 76 kg.
It has nothing to do with being privileged.
It had to do with stopping to eat so much junk and drinking so much soda and working out instead and eating healthier.
[QUOTE=Patroclus Rex;37706418]Your mom sounds like quite a catch.[/QUOTE]
It's not my mum!
[QUOTE=Patroclus Rex;37706418]Your mom sounds like quite a catch.[/QUOTE]
He has a fat fetish, he made that quite clear in the deviant art appreciation station, that's why he's so defensive about the whole thing.
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