[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37804070]But he's right, it is easy, and it IS as simple as eat vegetables and work out. It's not a difficult goddamn task.[/QUOTE]
Okay, skinny boy.
Seriously, until you've actually been fat and tried to become skinny, don't talk.
[QUOTE=deaded38;37808930]Okay, skinny boy.
Seriously, until you've actually been fat and tried to become skinny, don't talk.[/QUOTE]
You're ignoring me now?
Wow
[QUOTE=overpain;37807895]I lolled. I was a fat faggot 15 fucking years, and 2 years i started working out. You will feel like shit 2 weeks max. Find the sport you like and go hardcore. I on mountain biking 6 hours/day and eating bellow my bmr have lost over 10 kg IN A FUCKING MONTH. I became normal in 2 or 3 months. So yea, now i work out and build muscle, so i would say yes, I am better than fat people. All of you fatties has absolutely no willpower. All you need to lose weight is eating healthy nutritionous food, and working out at least 3 days a week. That's all. Enjoy being kissless basement dwelling fatass. But if you want to lose weight, read this [url]http://4chanfit.wikia.com/wiki/Harsh%27s_Worksheet_(WIP)[/url]
[sp]Yes, it's 4chan, but who gives a fuck, /fit/ gives best advice and is made almost entirely of Bodybuilders/ Athletes/ Trainers. [/sp]
And, if you would have more questions, pm me.
Lol
Everything fatties needs to do is eat healthy, 200-300 colories on bmr, and work out. That's all. When were you out of retard school? All it takes week - 2 weeks for body to adapt and feel normal. All fatties need is some willpower.
They are literally evolutionary mistakes.
They become fat = Ugly as fuck
Then there will be 3 outcomes
1. It will become kissless virgin and stays like it all life
2. It will find ugly partner and so they will have ugly children and so they will make shittier gene pool.
3. They change to normal/fit and find normal partner.
So yea, my guess is, fat people should extinct sooner or later.
Yea, fatties gonna fat
Fuck no, there is no source telling genetics have strong impact for weight, and some sources state it effects weight gain 1-2 % max. All the person needs to get fit is willpower, good nutritious diet and physical activity. That's all.[/QUOTE]
You're a sad excuse for a human being. Just because you're skinny, you think you're better than everyone. You act as if it's so easy for other fat people to lose weight. I'd like to know how much you weighed before you started losing weight. Some people are actually [i]over-weight[/i] and can't go back to normal in two or three months. With that being said, it's also very possible that you can lose weight faster than most people. After all, not everyone is exactly like you (but seeing as how arrogant you are, I'd say you'd like that). Also, willpower isn't solely based on weight. It can be thousands of other things. Just because I don't have the willpower to lose weight, does not mean I don't have the willpower to do something else. Your attitude towards fat people is absolutely disgusting, especially since you were fat at one point. Though, I highly doubt that you were actually over-weight, but instead just a few pounds over the normal limit.
Enjoy being an arrogant and ignorant twig-sized sad piece of shit.
[editline]26th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=overpain;37808973]You're ignoring me now?
Wow[/QUOTE]
Nope. I just didn't see your sad post until after I posted my response to him.
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming - 3rd MD Offense" - Megafan))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=deaded38;37809081]You're a sad excuse for a human being. Just because you're skinny, you think you're better than everyone. You act as if it's so easy for other fat people to lose weight. I'd like to know how much you weighed before you started losing weight. Some people are actually [i]over-weight[/i] and can't go back to normal in two or three months. With that being said, it's also very possible that you can lose weight faster than most people. After all, not everyone is exactly like you (but seeing as how arrogant you are, I'd say you'd like that). Also, willpower isn't solely based on weight. It can be thousands of other things. Just because I don't have the willpower to lose weight, does not mean I don't have the willpower to do something else. Your attitude towards fat people is absolutely disgusting, especially since you were fat at one point. Though, I highly doubt that you were actually over-weight, but instead just a few pounds over the normal limit.
Enjoy being an arrogant and ignorant twig-sized sad piece of shit.[/QUOTE]
Uhhh
240 lbs at 5'10 at 14 years - yea a big mass of fat.
Lost to 179 lbs.
Now i am 6"00 at 190 lbs bf%15
So yea, i was fat fatass. Also i don't like fat people because they don't have willpower. And so, people who have no willpower to change, and rather complain deserves NO RESPECT. Unless you are human who accomplished something, like gabeN, but knowing this is facepunch i doubt it.
On the other hand, fat people who try to change and goes to gym and etc, actually deserves respect, and i give them all the help they need.
Btw i know many people who went from 350 lbs to 160 lbs and so on. It's never too late until you are literally immobile. But if that's the case, darwinism ahoy.
Try to change yourself. When you'll be fit, you will see why i don't like fat people.
[QUOTE=overpain;37809126]Uhhh
240 lbs at 5'10 at 14 years - yea a big mass of fat.
Lost to 179 lbs.
Now i am 6"00 at 190 lbs bf%15
So yea, i was fat fatass. Also i don't like fat people because they don't have willpower. And so, people who have no willpower to change, and rather complain deserves NO RESPECT. Unless you are human who accomplished something, like gabeN, but knowing this is facepunch i doubt it.
Try to change yourself. When you'll be fit, you will see why i don't like fat people.[/QUOTE]
So you lost weight faster than a lot of other people. This makes you a better person? Also, I explained that fat people can have willpower.
Even if I become fit, I'm not going to be an arrogant jackass to over-weight people simply because it was easier for me to lose weight.
Edit: I'm not saying it's impossible for people to lose weight. I'm just saying it's MUCH more difficult for some people than yourself.
[QUOTE=deaded38;37809162]So you lost weight faster than a lot of other people. This makes you a better person? Also, I explained that fat people can have willpower.
Even if I become fit, I'm not going to be an arrogant jackass to over-weight people simply because it was easier for me to lose weight.[/QUOTE]
What i am trying to do here, to make fat people to feel like shit. Most of the time, cold shower for fatasses motivate them most to lose weight.
You really think I am like this in real life? Nope. But on internet, it's okay to motivated planets this way.
There is nothing unarchievable.
Explain the part about willpower. I thought it can't be split.
[editline]26th September 2012[/editline]
Btw you sound like one of those "fat acceptance" group guys/girls/things
[QUOTE=deaded38;37809081]Enjoy being an arrogant and ignorant twig-sized sad piece of shit.[/QUOTE]
Check your fat privilege.
overpain the hatred you have developed for fat people is scary
[QUOTE=Onirik;37810030]overpain the hatred you have developed for fat people is scary[/QUOTE]
>Implying I'm like this in real life
>And not making fatass feel shit about himself so he would lose weight
>Isshydiggy
OP here again, keep it on track with the fighting here. Its a debate thread not a name calling thread.
Most of you have the same views it seems. Those who get fat either realize they need to do something or just accept it. Those who accept it as normal get the view that there is a privilege for being thing, those that don't will do something about it to make themselves better.
Privilege means something when it comes to race or economic status
There's no such thing as thin privilege, and the fact people are even willing to consider it on the level of issues of race and economic status or sexuality, is kind of horrifying to be honest. You can't choose to be born a different race, you can't choose what you are sexually attracted to, you can't choose to be born into a well off family... You absolutely can choose to make changes to your dietary habits
The problem I have with this whole "thin privilege/fat acceptance" concept is while it's noble to want to make people feel accepted, it's actually hurting future generations by telling them its okay to actively wreck your health and consume gluttonous amounts of food, and you're creating a vicious cycle, because fat parents raise fat kids - not because of genetics, because kids learn habits from their parents.
Shame is often an important facet of change. When you were a kid, you did something bizarre or stupid in a social situation and got embarrassed for it - the embarrassment is what made you change and eliminate that behavior so you would never do it again.
Fat people are already in a state where they are looking for just about any excuse not to change - because losing weight takes willpower to break badly ingrained habits. That's all it is really, badly ingrained habits. The amount of people that actually have conditions that make it an uphill battle to lose weight is very little, as I've already explained elsewhere conditions like hypothyroidism do NOT make people fat - and to that, the amount of people who actually have hypothyroidism is very little I imagine.
And some of these "thin privilege" posts on various parts of the internet make me cringe, seriously people actively saying that "doctors do not know what they are talking about, they just try to shame" - yeah because the medical professional telling you that you are very overweight from your ridiculous caloric intake couldn't possibly be right, no, its because you got unlucky in the game of life. This almost smacks of drug addicts, it's looking for every possible excuse to not acknowledge they have a problem. In fact, that's very much what it should be diagnosed as for a large amount of people: addiction to food.
And I don't see anybody advocating movements for "drug addict acceptance", why? Because encouraging the propagation of addictive behavior is harmful. This is exactly the same.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;37811203]Privilege means something when it comes to race or economic status
There's no such thing as thin privilege, and the fact people are even willing to consider it on the level of issues of race and economic status or sexuality, is kind of horrifying to be honest. You can't choose to be born a different race, you can't choose what you are sexually attracted to, you can't choose to be born into a well off family... You absolutely can choose to make changes to your dietary habits
The problem I have with this whole "thin privilege/fat acceptance" concept is while it's noble to want to make people feel accepted, it's actually hurting future generations by telling them its okay to actively wreck your health and consume gluttonous amounts of food, and you're creating a vicious cycle, because fat parents raise fat kids - not because of genetics, because kids learn habits from their parents.
Shame is often an important facet of change. When you were a kid, you did something bizarre or stupid in a social situation and got embarrassed for it - the embarrassment is what made you change and eliminate that behavior so you would never do it again.
Fat people are already in a state where they are looking for just about any excuse not to change - because losing weight takes willpower to break badly ingrained habits. That's all it is really, badly ingrained habits. The amount of people that actually have conditions that make it an uphill battle to lose weight is very little, as I've already explained elsewhere conditions like hypothyroidism do NOT make people fat - and to that, the amount of people who actually have hypothyroidism is very little I imagine.
And some of these "thin privilege" posts on various parts of the internet make me cringe, seriously people actively saying that "doctors do not know what they are talking about, they just try to shame" - yeah because the medical professional telling you that you are very overweight from your ridiculous caloric intake couldn't possibly be right, no, its because you got unlucky in the game of life. This almost smacks of drug addicts, it's looking for every possible excuse to not acknowledge they have a problem. In fact, that's very much what it should be diagnosed as for a large amount of people: addiction to food.
And I don't see anybody advocating movements for "drug addict acceptance", why? Because encouraging the propagation of addictive behavior is harmful. This is exactly the same.[/QUOTE]
Finally a post i can 100x agree with.
[QUOTE=overpain;37810052]>Implying I'm like this in real life
>And not making fatass feel shit about himself so he would lose weight
>Isshydiggy[/QUOTE]
If you're not like this in real life, why are you saying it on the internet? At this point, I can assume you're trolling. Go back to 4chan, please.
[QUOTE=deaded38;37808930]Okay, skinny boy.
Seriously, until you've actually been fat and tried to become skinny, don't talk.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.fit2fat2fit.com/[/url]
obviously you're going to continue to be a disgusting greasy obese landwhale if you keep telling yourself it's impossible to lose weight, you have to make a commitment
[editline]26th September 2012[/editline]
it's not going to be an overnight thing for anybody, but almost every single fatty is actually [i]capable[/i] of doing it
it boils down to being able to tell yourself 'no,' appreciating delayed gratification, and balancing the pros and cons of being fat vs being skinny
it's some pretty basic shit and it's pretty sad that some people just don't care
[QUOTE=deaded38;37809081]You're a sad excuse for a human being. Just because you're skinny, you think you're better than everyone. You act as if it's so easy for other fat people to lose weight. I'd like to know how much you weighed before you started losing weight. Some people are actually [i]over-weight[/i] and can't go back to normal in two or three months. With that being said, it's also very possible that you can lose weight faster than most people. After all, not everyone is exactly like you (but seeing as how arrogant you are, I'd say you'd like that). Also, willpower isn't solely based on weight. It can be thousands of other things. Just because I don't have the willpower to lose weight, does not mean I don't have the willpower to do something else. Your attitude towards fat people is absolutely disgusting, especially since you were fat at one point. Though, I highly doubt that you were actually over-weight, but instead just a few pounds over the normal limit.
Enjoy being an arrogant and ignorant twig-sized sad piece of shit.
[editline]26th September 2012[/editline]
Nope. I just didn't see your sad post until after I posted my response to him.[/QUOTE]
How about you calm down, put down the cake, and hit the gym
It's very obvious that you're obese and not willing to do anything about it because you don't think it's possible
[editline]27th September 2012[/editline]
Also you need to calm the fuck down
[QUOTE=deaded38;37808930]Okay, skinny boy.
Seriously, until you've actually been fat and tried to become skinny, don't talk.[/QUOTE]
HTH most of the people you are accusing of this have been fat.
But it's not like you'll acknowledge this anyway "but they've never been as fat as ME!!!" or accept that maybe people involved in fitness might actually know what they are talking about. Your analogy that changing diet for obese people is like going 48 hours without food is not only ridiculous in concept, but also disproven by many clinical studies.
Fat people have been put on 1000 and sub 1000 caloric diets with zero hunger, you can look up any study on Protein Sparing Modified Fasts to see this. Granted the nature of this diet causes a series of hormonal interactions that suppresses appetite, but if you were to reduce your caloric intake by a mere 300-500 calories from your current daily intake, I would bet hard money you would not perceive any hunger more than normal, especially after 3-4 days.
Your problem is not that you are overweight really, it's that you are an addict. You are addicted to food, and much like an addict you are engaging in rationalization behavior to find any excuse to keep fueling your addiction. So being that you have an addiction as such, I'm not going to tell you it's easy like these guys are, but at the same time, it's one that can easily be overcome with a little application of willpower.
willpower is based on dedication
fatasses who cant control themselves or dont even make an effort to lose weight and whine about not getting advantages that people who dont gorge themselves get all the time are arrogant jackasses
fat is NOT genetic, that or it plays an insignificantly small role
if they complain that they dont have the 'willpower' to lose weight, then they need some fucking discipline and not go to mcdonalds 5 times a week and actually TRY to lose weight
and it seems like the only way to get it through most of their thick skulls is to insult them about it or ride them on about it
I'll just refer back to the first post I made in this thread.
[QUOTE=Valnar;37611791]There are definite social and mental health implications to being overweight.
A lot of our society doesn't accept looking fat and as such there are consequences for people who are/look fat.
Here is a publication on it and I will also point out some specific points.
[URL]http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.73.2.171[/URL]
This first part that I quote talks about how people will perceive themselves to be overweight even when it doesn't affect their health, because there are social stigmas against being fat.
[QUOTE=Effects of Being Overweight Paper]More people perceive they are overweight than we objectively defined as overweight, especially women.
Thus, many people appear to be using a stricter standard for their own weight than is required for good health.
Such standards, however, may be required for good appearance and seem to be more stringent for women than for men, for younger people, and for people with higher incomes and smaller families.[/QUOTE]
This next few quotes deal with the fact that even though being moderately overweight has almost no effect on physical health, it does however have mental health issues because being overweight isn't generally seen as acceptable.
[QUOTE=Effects of Being Overweight Paper]First, being moderately overweight has not been consistently demonstrated to be an important risk factor for premature mortality.
But 28 percent of moderately overweight people have limitations in personal functioning, compared with 19 per cent for normal weight people.
Being moderately overweight also results in substantial amounts of pain, worry, and restricted activity.
A second possibility [to help moderatly overweight people is to] is to work toward legitimizing being moderately overweight.
Because being moderately overweight does not seem to have clear physical health risks, trying to lose weight and not being successful at it may do more harm than good.
Further, to the extent that pain, worry, restricted activities, and limitations in personal functioning because of being overweight result from the [B]strong value our society places on being thin[/B],
these effects may be minimized by legitimizing being moderately overweight.
[/QUOTE]
That is just a bit of the info that publication has to offer, there is more that can be explored in it aside from what I pointed out.
The crux of my point is that there is a lot of social negativity that goes into being fat that can have adverse effects on the mental health even when physical health isn't affected.
This can lead to a spiral down where they may feel unable to stop being overweight and even gain weight until they actually get physical health issues.
This thread seems to be a microcosm of how society views being fat negatively.
There is a thin privilege, just remember that it isn't a set of positive attributes that people get for being thin, it is a set of negative attributes that people don't have to deal with by not being fat.[/QUOTE]
Also, just because something can be unhealthy doesn't mean people should be social outcasts because of it.
I mean I'm sure a lot of people would consider playing 60+ hours of video games every 2 weeks to be unhealthy, but does that mean it is right treat people who spend that much time on video games like shit?
Were talking about fat assholes who find every excuse and use them to their advantage just to not lose weight
Not people who are just socially awkward
[QUOTE=Valnar;37817179]I'll just refer back to the first post I made in this thread.
Also, just because something can be unhealthy doesn't mean people should be social outcasts because of it.
I mean I'm sure a lot of people would consider playing 60+ hours of video games every 2 weeks to be unhealthy, but does that mean it is right treat people who spend that much time on video games like shit?[/QUOTE]
Someone who spends all of their time on video games won't have time for things such as hygiene, healthy lifestyle and social interaction.
It's okay to do what you want with your life, but if it's unhealthy as hell there's a point where it's normal for people to have trouble bearing with you, because in a lot of situations you're going to be a burden. Not only we associate unhealthy with of course health, but also with morals. If you spend your time on recreational things or things you enjoy, of course people who are under the impression of being the gears of society, people who actually work, who have to deal with things (other than killing the next boss in a videogame), are going to be annoyed by you.
I don't get the prilevege thing though. Things are built for average human, and to be honest, in the OP example, I don't even get it. You can be extremly fat and still only take one seat. Who takes up two seats and complain about it seriously. I'm 1 M 92 and everything is annoying to me height-wise: cars, entrances... Yet I know it's because I'm not the average size. I can deal with it even though it's genetics in my case, I don't get how these privilege claiming fat people can't bear having to deal with what's practical for most people.
[QUOTE=Valnar;37817179]I'll just refer back to the first post I made in this thread.
Also, just because something can be unhealthy doesn't mean people should be social outcasts because of it.
I mean I'm sure a lot of people would consider playing 60+ hours of video games every 2 weeks to be unhealthy, but does that mean it is right treat people who spend that much time on video games like shit?[/QUOTE]
Except we aren't talking about social stigmas here, or rather that's not the focus of the topic, and to your point - why is nobody going around attempting to create a "socially skilled human being privilege"? After all if fat people consider people of normal weight to be privileged, why aren't basement dwelling nerds crying about people who function well socially?
I think people are taking this too far and food addicts are getting behind this movement because it gives them an excuse to revel in their addiction and never confront a problem that is not only causing them social problems, but actively wrecking their health and having a huge impact on any children they choose to raise too.
Again, society doesn't embrace drug addiction behavior either, we have millions of support programs and groups to help people get over their addictions, but there will never be a "drug addict acceptance/non-addict privilege" movement. Why would it be any different with another form of addiction - food addiction?
Not all social stigmas can or should be eliminated, I very much doubt you would support someone expressing themselves by smearing feces all over their naked body and running into a public center...
I am addicted to food. BUT, I am in the military and work the food off on a daily basis. I eat whatever the fuck I want and just run for an hour a day.
[QUOTE=Waffle99;37818391]I am addicted to food. BUT, I am in the military and work the food off on a daily basis. I eat whatever the fuck I want and just run for an hour a day.[/QUOTE]
Man do I love chips, thus I work out enough so that I won't feel disappoint with myself when I buy a bag for the weekend.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37814979]How about you calm down, put down the cake, and hit the gym
It's very obvious that you're obese and not willing to do anything about it because you don't think it's possible
[editline]27th September 2012[/editline]
Also you need to calm the fuck down[/QUOTE]
I need to calm down? Did you even read what the guy I replied to said? Of course not.
[QUOTE=deaded38;37819334]I need to calm down? Did you even read what the guy I replied to said? Of course not.[/QUOTE]
You were the first one to start calling us retards.
[QUOTE=overpain;37819349]You were the first one to start calling us retards.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Seeing as half of facepunch is fat basement nerd
You sound like one of those fatasses that thinks world is against them[/QUOTE]
Yeah man, I totally started this.
Edit: On top of that, I don't recall calling anyone a retard...
[QUOTE=deaded38;37809081]Also, willpower isn't solely based on weight. It can be thousands of other things. Just because I don't have the willpower to lose weight, does not mean I don't have the willpower to do something else.
[/QUOTE]
You're assuming that losing weight is primarily a solo feat when it really isn't in the long run. If you told someone about your attempt to lose weight then they could help you; through encouragement or through helping with your diet. Losing weight is really, really easy when you think about it. Exercise regularly and eat well. You're also treating this as a mentality thing.
[QUOTE=deaded38;37819381]Yeah man, I totally started this.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I said it
Because it's the fact. but you even earlier said everything in manner " fuck off people you dont know jack shit about weight loss you all are retards".
Anyway you are now complaining over minor things, and so this confirms you lost the argument.
[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;37819407]You're assuming that losing weight is primarily a solo feat when it really isn't in the long run. If you told someone about your attempt to lose weight then they could help you; through encouragement or through helping with your diet. Losing weight is really, really easy when you think about it. Exercise regularly and eat well. You're also treating this as a mentality thing.[/QUOTE]
Again, it's easy for some people and not so much for others. Also, explain how losing weight isn't a mentality thing.
[QUOTE=deaded38;37819437]Again, it's easy for some people and not so much for others. Also, explain how losing weight isn't a mentality thing.[/QUOTE]
I have: eating well and exercising regularly. Could you also please tell me how going for a good walk or quick jog is hard.
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