Thin Privelege -- Yay or Nay - General

[QUOTE=overpain;37819418]Yes, I said it Because it's the fact. but you even earlier said everything in manner " fuck off people you dont know jack shit about weight loss you all are retards". Anyway you are now complaining over minor things, and so this confirms you lost the argument.[/QUOTE] Thanks for putting words into my mouth. I never said you don't know anything about weight loss. I said you shouldn't talk if you've never lost weight. And even if you have, it doesn't mean it's super easy like it was for you. I never complained about minor things. Even if I did, how does that prove I've lost anything? Oh wait, you're always right since your skinny and better than everyone. [editline]27th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;37819455]I have: eating well and exercising regularly. Could you also please tell me how going for a good walk or quick jog is hard.[/QUOTE] Because some people don't have the mentality to go lose weight. Not to mention, just walking around and eating healthy doesn't exactly make you lose weight. Some people have to work much harder than others. Does that mean they're terrible people for not wanting to put a shitload of effort into losing weight? No. Fat people are still people, and should be treated equally.

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;37817591]Except we aren't talking about social stigmas here, or rather that's not the focus of the topic, and to your point - why is nobody going around attempting to create a "socially skilled human being privilege"? After all if fat people consider people of normal weight to be privileged, why aren't basement dwelling nerds crying about people who function well socially? I think people are taking this too far and food addicts are getting behind this movement because it gives them an excuse to revel in their addiction and never confront a problem that is not only causing them social problems, but actively wrecking their health and having a huge impact on any children they choose to raise too. Again, society doesn't embrace drug addiction behavior either, we have millions of support programs and groups to help people get over their addictions, but there will never be a "drug addict acceptance/non-addict privilege" movement. Why would it be any different with another form of addiction - food addiction? Not all social stigmas can or should be eliminated, I very much doubt you would support someone expressing themselves by smearing feces all over their naked body and running into a public center...[/QUOTE] Social stigmas are the focus of this topic, the idea of privilege is pretty much centred around the idea of social stigmas and how they affect people. And my example wasn't about being socially skilled, it was about how playing that much videos games can be considered physically unhealthy due to, among other things, the sedentary nature of video games. As the paper I linked said earlier, [B]not everyone who is overweight has negative health implications[/B]. But even if they aren't physically unhealthy they tend to have some sort of mental stress or pain caused by them being overweight because society has strong stigmas against being fat. This stress caused society is the essence of what thin privilege is. Even if somebody is unhealthily overweight, that shouldn't be a focus of social matters. Those stigmas against being fat tend to compound issues for people who are unhealthily fat by discouraging them, if enough people tell you that you are fucking lazy fatass some people start believing that they will stay fat no matter what they do. I'm not talking about stopping help for people who are unhealthily overweight, I'm talking about stopping harmful stigmas that are counter-productive to helping them.

[QUOTE=deaded38;37819482]Thanks for putting words into my mouth. I never said you don't know anything about weight loss. I said you shouldn't talk if you've never lost weight. And even if you have, it doesn't mean it's super easy like it was for you. I never complained about minor things. Even if I did, how does that prove I've lost anything? Oh wait, you're always right since your skinny and better than everyone. [editline]27th September 2012[/editline] Because some people don't have the mentality to go lose weight. Not to mention, just walking around and eating healthy doesn't exactly make you lose weight. Some people have to work much harder than others. Does that mean they're terrible people for not wanting to put a shitload of effort into losing weight? No. Fat people are still people, and should be treated equally.[/QUOTE] Uhhh Losing weight is 70% diet and 30% exercise. Even if you eat healthy and 200-300 colories under your bmr you would still lose weight. Only much slower. So yes, walking around and eating well does make you lose weight. Please learn nutrition, human body anatomy and how it works, then come back, thx

[QUOTE=deaded38;37819482] Because some people don't have the mentality to go lose weight. Not to mention, just walking around and eating healthy doesn't exactly make you lose weight. Some people have to work much harder than others. Does that mean they're terrible people for not wanting to put a shitload of effort into losing weight? No. Fat people are still people, and should be treated equally.[/QUOTE] So burning calories and giving your body the proper nutrients doesn't help you lose weight? Yeeeeaaaaaaah. And I didn't say anything about a fat person being terrible at all, don't accuse other people of putting words into your mouth when you're doing it yourself. And work on your aggressive attitude, it's getting you nothing but grief.

[QUOTE=deaded38;37819482]Because some people don't have the mentality to go lose weight. Not to mention, just walking around and eating healthy doesn't exactly make you lose weight. Some people have to work much harder than others. Does that mean they're terrible people for not wanting to put a shitload of effort into losing weight? No. Fat people are still people, and should be treated equally.[/QUOTE] please just concede you're full of shit instead of wasting our time by ignoring what we say and repeating yourself over and over

With all of the stigma associated with being thin, it's nice to out all the fatties as well. The human body is an amazing machine, but they treat it like it's a landfill. The new politically correct terms for describing a fat girl is "full-figured"... all because it isn't nice to point out that surviving on fried chicken and diet Coke has made them a human marshmallow. But thin people are still ridiculed mercilessly and nobody has a problem with it. I'm simply pointing out that there are more fat people, than there are thin people. Maybe we should focus on the bigger problem first. [SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB]No pun intended.[/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB]

[QUOTE=deaded38;37799676]There you go. You just made it sound completely easy when it isn't. As said before, it's not as simple as "EAT VEGETABLES AND WORK OUT FATASS", but apparently you're one of those arrogant skinny fucks that think they're better than fat people.[/QUOTE] I lost somewhere in the region of thirty to forty pounds of fat in less than nine months and then replaced it with muscle. I now weigh 173 pounds with very little fat much less than two years after I started changing myself. And hell, I didn't even have to work that hard.

[QUOTE=Eltro102;37823014]With all of the stigma associated with being thin, it's nice to out all the fatties as well. The human body is an amazing machine, but they treat it like it's a landfill. The new politically correct terms for describing a fat girl is "full-figured"... all because it isn't nice to point out that surviving on fried chicken and diet Coke has made them a human marshmallow. But thin people are still ridiculed mercilessly and nobody has a problem with it. I'm simply pointing out that there are more fat people, than there are thin people. Maybe we should focus on the bigger problem first. [SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB][SUB]No pun intended.[/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/SUB][/QUOTE] What are you on about? Social stigma for being thin? Politically correct terms for fat women? What? When has someone ever been made more fun of as a skinny person than a fat person? [b]Edit[/b] I'd also like to agree that there is no such thing as thin privilege. I weigh 200-odd pounds, big whoop. I know I eat too much compared with how much I exercise, and I haven't even been trying. The idea that some people believe that it's a "privilege" to not be overweight is ridiculous.

Well for girls it seems that a thin girl can be called an anorexic bitch as much as wanted and nobody gives a damn, but mention to a fat girl about her rounder forms in a non sugarcoated way and you can prepare for getting yelled at.

[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;37821330]So burning calories and giving your body the proper nutrients doesn't help you lose weight? Yeeeeaaaaaaah. And I didn't say anything about a fat person being terrible at all, don't accuse other people of putting words into your mouth when you're doing it yourself. And work on your aggressive attitude, it's getting you nothing but grief.[/QUOTE] Sorry, wrong choice of words. The first half of that post was me trying to say some people have to work harder than others to lose weight. I understand you didn't say that. I was referring to overpain when I mentioned that whole thing. Also, I don't get aggressive unless assholes like overpain post. [editline]27th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=cccritical;37822834]please just concede you're full of shit instead of wasting our time by ignoring what we say and repeating yourself over and over[/QUOTE] I'm full of shit because I'm not skinny, therefore I'm dumb and don't know what I'm talking about, right? I haven't ignored a damn thing. To be fair, it seems we're all repeating ourselves.

[QUOTE=deaded38;37823292]I'm full of shit because I'm not skinny, therefore I'm dumb and don't know what I'm talking about, right? I haven't ignored a damn thing. To be fair, it seems we're all repeating ourselves.[/QUOTE] then allow me to repeat myself [url]http://www.fit2fat2fit.com/[/url] there is literally a day-by-day, meal-by-meal diet guide [i]and[/i] a fitness guide on there you know who you remind me of? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVfuyhHtKJ4[/media] like goddamn, unless you're letting your impulses control you like a small poopy-panted child, all it takes is a little bit of time and effort

[QUOTE=cccritical;37823514]then allow me to repeat myself [url]http://www.fit2fat2fit.com/[/url] there is literally a day-by-day, meal-by-meal diet guide [i]and[/i] a fitness guide on there you know who you remind me of? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVfuyhHtKJ4[/media] like goddamn, unless you're letting your impulses control you like a small poopy-panted child, all it takes is a little bit of time and effort[/QUOTE] Cool, you found a guide on the internet. Yet, you still fail to realize it's not easy for some people. Just because [b]you[/b] lost weight, does not make it easy for everyone else. That's like saying, "Well, I'm good at math so everyone else should be". Again, I'm not saying it's impossible to lose weight. I'm saying it's extremely difficult for some people, and your experiences aren't going to be the same for everyone else.

Why not make a special seat for the fat dudes, and have em pay double of what they are paying for a normal seat? Its bulletproof.

[QUOTE=deaded38;37826087]Cool, you found a guide on the internet. Yet, you still fail to realize it's not easy for some people. Just because [b]you[/b] lost weight, does not make it easy for everyone else. That's like saying, "Well, I'm good at math so everyone else should be". Again, I'm not saying it's impossible to lose weight. I'm saying it's extremely difficult for some people, and your experiences aren't going to be the same for everyone else.[/QUOTE] But even if it's hard it's possible, and you'll have more merit if you do it, so I don't see the problem here. If you don't even try, you can't judge wether it's hard or easy.

lol fuck fat people. We should use them for fuel. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("trolling" - GunFox))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=overpain;37820059]Uhhh Losing weight is 70% diet and 30% exercise. Even if you eat healthy and 200-300 colories under your bmr you would still lose weight. Only much slower. So yes, walking around and eating well does make you lose weight. Please learn nutrition, human body anatomy and how it works, then come back, thx[/QUOTE] Hello, I've been following the discussion, as I run Fierce Fatties, one of the sites linked to in this thread. I didn't want to comment on thin privilege just yet, as I don't have time to go into that. But overpain's comment made me want to respond. Something I saw earlier that Craptasket banned a user for an ad hominem attack, saying "This isn't debating." I love debating and I have written [URL="http://fiercefatties.com/2012/08/01/in-and-out/"]this post[/URL], a thoroughly-sourced and heavily-researched post on the calories in, calories out theory (it's actually an excerpt from the book I'm writing). In terms of the metabolic response to caloric restriction, the long-term results are the same. But a person who loses 50 pounds and now weighs 150 pounds will have to eat significantly fewer calories than a person who has weighed 150 pound their entire adult life. Two bodies of the identical size should have similar caloric requirements, no? Instead, the person who lost weight must consume significantly fewer calories just to maintain this lower weight. And basically what happens is that the body responds to caloric restriction (whether through diet, exercise or both) with adaptive thermogenesis. And no, I don't buy low-carb or paleo or any other diet fad. Nutrition is simple... some foods are healthier than others (lean meats, poly- and mono- fats, whole grains), and others are less so, and achieving balance within your means is the key. Exercise is simple too... 150 minutes moderate or 75 vigorous per week, and find something you love. And how your body responds to those changes may or may not include significant weight loss, but that doesn't matter as much as your metabolic indicators: blood pressure, cholesterol and blood sugars. So, if you want to debate whether calories in, calories out is valid, I'm up totally up for it. But I hope you'll read [URL="http://fiercefatties.com/2012/08/01/in-and-out/"]this post[/URL] first to see the underlying research that supports my position. And if you've got something you want me to read, feel free to send it. I love a good debate and I can definitely do so. Peace, Shannon [editline]27th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=marcosppp;37826184]Why not make a special seat for the fat dudes, and have em pay double of what they are paying for a normal seat? Its bulletproof.[/QUOTE] Take three seats in the back and make them two seats for big people to use. Make them pay 1.5 the cost. If no fat people are on that flight, it can be an upgrade for someone. It's a win-win. Peace, Shannon

[QUOTE=deaded38;37826087]Cool, you found a guide on the internet. Yet, you still fail to realize it's not easy for some people. Just because [b]you[/b] lost weight, does not make it easy for everyone else. That's like saying, "Well, I'm good at math so everyone else should be". Again, I'm not saying it's impossible to lose weight. I'm saying it's extremely difficult for some people, and your experiences aren't going to be the same for everyone else.[/QUOTE] I did lose weight and no, it wasn't too easy. It wasn't super hard either. You just have to deal with it, adapt. Took me a year to go from being able to grab a handful of bellyfat to having a sixpack.

[QUOTE=deaded38;37826087]Cool, you found a guide on the internet. Yet, you still fail to realize it's not easy for some people. Just because [b]you[/b] lost weight, does not make it easy for everyone else. That's like saying, "Well, I'm good at math so everyone else should be". Again, I'm not saying it's impossible to lose weight. I'm saying it's extremely difficult for some people, and your experiences aren't going to be the same for everyone else.[/QUOTE] cool, you ignored my post again fuck it, I'm out, you're almost as bad as truthers

[QUOTE=deaded38;37826087]Cool, you found a guide on the internet. Yet, you still fail to realize it's not easy for some people. Just because [b]you[/b] lost weight, does not make it easy for everyone else. That's like saying, "Well, I'm good at math so everyone else should be". Again, I'm not saying it's impossible to lose weight. I'm saying it's extremely difficult for some people, and your experiences aren't going to be the same for everyone else.[/QUOTE] what are you trying to prove by saying it's not easy for some people to lose weight just explain why you're trying to argue this for a second

[QUOTE=Marbalo;37832508]The only people who seem to claim just how easy it is to lose weight or not gain it are seemingly the same people who were thin their whole lives.[/QUOTE] This. [editline]28th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=cccritical;37832048]cool, you ignored my post again fuck it, I'm out, you're almost as bad as truthers[/QUOTE] I ignored your post? The only thing you posted was a guide and a video that was supposed to insult me. I responded to it accordingly. You're obviously mad because you can't accept everyone doesn't lose weight at the same pace. [editline]28th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Cloak Raider;37832529]what are you trying to prove by saying it's not easy for some people to lose weight just explain why you're trying to argue this for a second[/QUOTE] Because people keep saying, "WELL I LOST WEIGHT SO ITS NOT HARD". For most people, it isn't. For a lot of people, it is.

I for one didn't say it was easy. But how can you tell how hard it is for you if you haven't really tried?

[QUOTE=deaded38;37832851]Because people keep saying, "WELL I LOST WEIGHT SO ITS NOT HARD". For most people, it isn't. For a lot of people, it is.[/QUOTE] So try harder.

I can understand an overweight person would have to buy an extra seat if he/she actually fits enough for the person next to not being able to stay on his/her seat. Though from what I have observed the "thin privilege" seems to change [B]a lot[/B] depending on things like Age, Gender, Appearance, Where you live, the company you keep, how your mindset is (or to put it in other words "Your Personality,) and weight (Too fat or too thin?). I think that it is bullshit that if someone of X (over or under)weight does a certain thing (like cry or eat less/much/too little [I]See the reply Clarke made on page 1 (reply 6)[/I]) it's considered wrong. Or is it? That is either depending on the place the person lives and/or the company the person keeps. I have seen where being overly thin (skeleton even) has been a status symbol. And I have seen where it has been looked down upon (and not helped.) I have seen a fat person loose most of his friends when reaching a certain age. Good friends started looking down on him. Talking insultingly behind his back for no reason. Two times have I seen that (and both times helped.) And in both cases there weren't anything wrong with the person other than the age reached. Where I go to school there are a lot of both fat an thin people. There doesn't seem to be any privilege to being thin (Not what I have observed.) Oh my. This got a little longer than I originally intended it to be. " Do you personally judge people based on weight? as in if you see a small and large person both eating the same unhealthy item or doing unhealthy activities do you see them the same way?" One of my favorite quotes was made by Sherlock Holmes about a case. Though it does fit in here too: "The worst mistake you can ever do is to make theories before you have the evidence."

[QUOTE=deaded38;37832851] Because people keep saying, "WELL I LOST WEIGHT SO ITS NOT HARD". For most people, it isn't. For a lot of people, it is.[/QUOTE] maybe it would be easier for you to lose your weight if you didnt spend your time on facepunch and steam and actually, i don't know.. EAT RIGHT AND EXCERCISE

[QUOTE=Death_God;37834922]maybe it would be easier for you to lose your weight if you didnt spend your time on facepunch and steam and actually, i don't know.. EAT RIGHT AND EXCERCISE[/QUOTE] Except I have tried to lose weight. Yes, I lost a few pounds. But it wasn't instant like you seem to think it is. It took me a month to lose four pounds. I ate less and exercised at a gym three times a week for thirty minutes. With that routine, I'd have to continue for almost two years to get even close to average weight. It's not that I'm lazy. It's that I don't see a need to waste a good portion of my life just so I can be classified as healthy. Sure, it helps my health. But I'd rather live life well than having to be hungry all the time and go to the gym almost every day. People can do a lot of other productive things that isn't related to being in shape. I'd lose weight if it was easier. Again, not everyone can lose weight like you guys. So don't try to act like you know everything about losing weight just because you did it. [editline]28th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Onirik;37826660]But even if it's hard it's possible, and you'll have more merit if you do it, so I don't see the problem here. If you don't even try, you can't judge wether it's hard or easy.[/QUOTE] I'm still trying to figure out where I said I never tried to lose weight. I suppose since I said it's harder for some people and not everyone loses it instantly, I've never tried.

[QUOTE=deaded38;37835907]I'm still trying to figure out where I said I never tried to lose weight. I suppose since I said it's harder for some people and not everyone loses it instantly, I've never tried.[/QUOTE] Probably would've helped if you said you had tried about 4 pages ago.

[QUOTE=Patroclus Rex;37837117]Probably would've helped if you said you had tried about 4 pages ago.[/QUOTE] Probably.

you do realize you have to exercise 30 minutes every day this is shit you learn in freshmen health class come on

[QUOTE=Death_God;37838164]you do realize you have to exercise 30 minutes every day this is shit you learn in freshmen health class come on[/QUOTE] I don't think I would've lost that much more weight at that rate. Regardless, the point was that everyone loses weight differently.

[QUOTE=deaded38;37838545]I don't think I would've lost that much more weight at that rate. Regardless, the point was that everyone loses weight differently.[/QUOTE] then you try harder "I only lost a few pounds after trying to diet oh well time to give up and go eat more mcdonalds and whine to fit people because god hates me :("