[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;22929025]I'm not sure if the USSR is the MOST evil government known to mankind.[/QUOTE]
I would think so. The enemy of freedom is an enemy of mankind.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22929008]Well that's because you can afford it.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. That's the problem.
True Communism will never work. Here are two reasons why:
1. People and animals are born with materialistic feelings.
2. Everytime someone says Communism can work, they always say things like: "if people were fair and kind to each other it could work" or "if people simply took what they needed rather then what they wanted" or "if people were smart enough to see that Communism is complete fairness". Those same "if's" can apply to any Government/Economic system. Humanity will never be perfect and that's what Communism requires. A perfect society.
Communism can never work, because there were always be a group of people who want more, or people who don't work as hard and still get paid what hard-workers do.
[B]Also: [/B]The USSR was not "evil", nor is Canada some freedom-loving land of perfect Communism.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22929104]I would think so. The enemy of freedom is an enemy of mankind.[/QUOTE]
USSR has done a lot of shit, but to say they are the most evil in [I]history[/I] might need some deeper consideration.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22927779]So the communist manifesto. Pretty big fucking deal, as it inspired the most evil government known to mankind: The USSR.[/QUOTE]
You're American.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22927779]So the communist manifesto. Pretty big fucking deal, as it inspired the most evil government known to mankind: The USSR.
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The most evil government of all time was the 3rd Reich imo
Thing I've always wondered about with Communism, would people still be able to create businesses/companies? What happens when said business becomes to successful? Are any extravagant incomes distributed throughout the populace?
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22928642]Maoism is the least like communism.
Communism is communism. It's when you share everything with everyone. like a well oiled machine. It's very antimaterialistic.[/QUOTE]
Whats wrong with materialism? What right do you have to tell people to stop enjoying driving expensive cars? Who are you to tell people to stop doing what they want?
Communism is idiocy. Why should I share everything with other people? Why can't I do what I want and keep my own things? Why should I not be allowed to do what I want with my money? I earned it, I should be allowed to do whatever the fuck I want with it!
They call capitalists greedy, simply because they use their money as they wish, money they have earned, either through manual or skilled labour.
[QUOTE=OvB;22929285]Thing I've always wondered about with Communism, would people still be able to create businesses/companies? What happens when said business becomes to successful? Are any extravagant incomes distributed throughout the populace?[/QUOTE]
In addition to this comment why should some random guy on the street receive the money of some other guy who used all the money he had to make a company, which actually worked out really well? Especially when that random guy on the street hasn't contributed at all to the success of the company?
I don't understand how people can say that Marx was evil. He wanted everyone to live as equals.
[QUOTE=erazor;22929490]I don't understand how people can say that Marx was evil. He wanted everyone to live as equals.[/QUOTE]
Through murder of innocents...
[QUOTE=Earthen;22929602]Through murder of innocents...[/QUOTE]
You are clearly a moron and know nothing of Karl Marx.
[QUOTE=Earthen;22929602]Through murder of innocents...[/QUOTE]
What? Do you even know who Karl Marx is? He preached the exact opposite of murdering innocents.
[QUOTE=Earthen;22929602]Through murder of innocents...[/QUOTE]
That was the USSR under Lenin, not Marx.
[QUOTE=Earthen;22929360]In addition to this comment why should some random guy on the street receive the money of some other guy who used all the money he had to make a company, which actually worked out really well? Especially when that random guy on the street hasn't contributed at all to the success of the company?[/QUOTE]
i agree completely why should that guy on the street get police protection payed for by the taxes of the rich guy.
[QUOTE=Earthen;22929360]In addition to this comment why should some random guy on the street receive the money of some other guy who used all the money he had to make a company, which actually worked out really well? Especially when that random guy on the street hasn't contributed at all to the success of the company?[/QUOTE]
because everybody deserves at least the bare minimum, you fascist.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22929104]I would think so. The enemy of freedom is an enemy of mankind.[/QUOTE]
You people always lust for your precious freedom so much that you constantly overlook the fact that freedom in its purest form will tear society apart. Freedom in its purest form is a one way ticket to utter chaos and anarchy. It will cause so much damage that you wouldn't even imagine. Yet you refuse to look at the bigger picture and just constantly shove down everyone's throat "I WANT MY FREEDOM!!!1". Stop for a second and realize, that your beloved 'freedom' is your worst enemy. Human beings aren't supposed be free, if they are free they are uncontrollable, the system can't punish everyone if everyone is different and is free. And if people are nonpunishable then we shall never learn from our fatal mistakes and that will just spiral down to our very own extinction.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;22929979]i agree completely why should that guy on the street get police protection payed for by the taxes of the rich guy.[/QUOTE]
Thats different, I was talking about people receiving money for nothing... paying taxes to receive police protection is only good and everybody should pay taxes for public services. I'm happy to pay taxes so the police can protect me.
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[QUOTE=Melnek;22930308]You people always lust for your precious freedom so much that you constantly overlook the fact that freedom in its purest form will tear society apart. Freedom in its purest form is a one way ticket to utter chaos and anarchy. It will cause so much damage that you wouldn't even imagine. Yet you refuse to look at the bigger picture and just constantly shove down everyone's throat "I WANT MY FREEDOM!!!1". Stop for a second and realize, that your beloved 'freedom' is your worst enemy. Human beings aren't supposed be free, if they are free they are uncontrollable, the system can't punish everyone if everyone is different and is free. And if people are nonpunishable then we shall never learn from our fatal mistakes and that will just spiral down to our very own extinction.[/QUOTE]
WHAT THE FUCK?!?!
Are you actually insane? You honestly believe that people should be kept in shackles? You obviously misunderstood what freedom today means. All people should have the freedom to pursue their own careers, make profits, have families, or go hike in Africa. People must have the freedom to do what they want as long as don't forcefully steal or murder others. Do you really hate individualism? No wonder you're a communist.
[QUOTE=Earthen;22930321]WHAT THE FUCK?!?!
Are you actually insane? You honestly believe that people should be kept in shackles? You obviously misunderstood what freedom today means. All people should have the freedom to pursue their own careers, make profits, have families, or go hike in Africa. People must have the freedom to do what they want as long as don't forcefully steal or murder others. Do you really hate individualism? No wonder you're a communist.[/QUOTE]
Oh wow, you people are so goddamn predictable. Stop putting words in my mouth and exaggerate less so I could take you more seriously.
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I've never said that people should be kept in shackles, I've also never said anything about your casual everyday taken as granted freedom.
[QUOTE=Earthen;22930321]Thats different, I was talking about people receiving money for nothing... paying taxes to receive police protection is only good and everybody should pay taxes for public services. I'm happy to pay taxes so the police can protect me.
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WHAT THE FUCK?!?!
Are you actually insane? You honestly believe that people should be kept in shackles? You obviously misunderstood what freedom today means. All people should have the freedom to pursue their own careers, make profits, have families, or go hike in Africa. People must have the freedom to do what they want as long as don't forcefully steal or murder others. Do you really hate individualism? No wonder you're a communist.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure he meant that complete Freedom(as in, no laws or Police) is stupid, and that people are always going to need certain restrictions.
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;22930512]I'm pretty sure he meant that complete Freedom(as in, no laws or Police) is stupid, and that people are always going to need certain restrictions.[/QUOTE]
He misunderstood the original post, he took it as uncontrolled freedom (yeah contradiction in terms). What the original post meant was most likely that people should be allowed to do as they wish while still keeping public services, etc...
Communism will only work when there is a extremely high amount of people that have little to nothing and a few very rich with all the power. Timing is critical and the social perspective has to be much different then it is now.
[QUOTE=Earthen;22930677]He misunderstood the original post, he took it as uncontrolled freedom (yeah contradiction in terms). What the original post meant was most likely that people should be allowed to do as they wish while still keeping public services, etc...[/QUOTE]
I wasn't replying to the original post at all, just the statement that I quoted.
[QUOTE='[DJ Ria];22928588']No, not really. It would depend on how big the group of people is. The more people, the poorer everyone is. If it was applied to a small group of people, it would work well.[/QUOTE]
Putting effort and time into things should be rewarded, failing to do so shouldn't. Lets say one man works 12 hours a day and another works only 2, should they get the same amount of money? That's about as simple as I can put it.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;22928969]you are an economics major I can tell[/QUOTE]
You don't need to be one to see that communism is awful.
[QUOTE=archie200034;22930902]You don't need to be one to see that communism is awful.[/QUOTE]
Every economic system has its pros and cons.
[QUOTE=Melnek;22930976]Every economic system has its pros and cons.[/QUOTE]
Not every economic system is doomed to fail
[QUOTE=OvB;22929285]Thing I've always wondered about with Communism, would people still be able to create businesses/companies? What happens when said business becomes to successful? Are any extravagant incomes distributed throughout the populace?[/QUOTE]
Still wondering...
[QUOTE=OvB;22931099]Still wondering...[/QUOTE]
The goverment is the only corporation allowed, if you had your own company you would be making more money than those who wouldn't have one and we can't have that, can we?
[QUOTE=OvB;22931099]Still wondering...[/QUOTE] There are no businesses. There is no income. Life in that society doesn't revolve around work.
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