[QUOTE=Rick Ross;22934439]Communism's only and ultimate downfall is that it doesn't reward hard work. When people say, "It hasn't been done right," that is what they're referring to. Capitalism isn't good either because it rewards shortcuts and lying.
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i.e. BP[/QUOTE]
Under capitalism, a company or person that built up a reputation of being dishonest, or unreliable would soon have no one that would deal with them.
It is the use of government power in economics that allows incompetent businesses to get by on political pull rather than productivity.
[QUOTE=Novistador;22933994]Somalia is anarchy, there is no government, and if there is its unable to enforce the law in any meaningful way.
Somalia is in no way a capitalist country, it is an absurd equivocation to compare the war torn anarchy that is Somalia to a rights respecting capitalist country with a competent military and police force.
Anarcho-capitalism is about just as silly as Anarcho-communism.[/QUOTE]
It is silly, thus you need a "rights respecting capitalist country"
[quote]who are you?[/quote]
A communist.
I love reading these threads about economical systems.
They're always so entertaining! :allears:
[QUOTE=OvB;22931617]Next question: How well of a quality of living could one expect? Would we all be living in a shabby tenement, or a nice suburb? Considering everyone is equal, I'd think in large populations one would be hard pressed to provide a good place to live for EVERYONE.[/QUOTE]
It's kind of both.
It's like in Vietnam. A friend of mine lived there for a while. He says they're not poor, they just like simple lifestyles, and they're happy that way.
[QUOTE='[DJ Ria];22928132']The original communist ideas were great, but no one managed to pull it off.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Melnek;22930308]You people always lust for your precious freedom so much that you constantly overlook the fact that freedom in its purest form will tear society apart. Freedom in its purest form is a one way ticket to utter chaos and anarchy. It will cause so much damage that you wouldn't even imagine. Yet you refuse to look at the bigger picture and just constantly shove down everyone's throat "I WANT MY FREEDOM!!!1". Stop for a second and realize, that your beloved 'freedom' is your worst enemy. Human beings aren't supposed be free, if they are free they are uncontrollable, the system can't punish everyone if everyone is different and is free. And if people are nonpunishable then we shall never learn from our fatal mistakes and that will just spiral down to our very own extinction.[/QUOTE]
You Stalinist fuck.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;22927823]Communism is awesome and evil capitalists need to die so we can all live with rainbows, candy, and unicorns.
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Here's the world under communism:
[img]http://clevergames.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/candyland1.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I know for certain, someone who wouldn't appreciate that.
[IMG]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs120.snc4/36349_120769247966803_100001011862317_107475_1345967_n.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Earthen;22929602]Through murder of innocents...[/QUOTE]
nope, can't find murder of innocents anywhere in his works
[QUOTE='[DJ Ria];22928132']The original communist ideas were great, but no one managed to pull it off.[/QUOTE]
Because the original communist ideas were rainbows, candy, and unicorns. The theory completely denies the inherent traits of human nature which have managed to take capitalist societies to a geometrically greater degree of prosperity in both public and private sectors. Proletariat revolution? I easily and effectively one-up you with despotism. There, the story of every national communist regime out there.
Earthen knows about as much about Communism as a fucking balloon
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[QUOTE=nERVEcenter;22941227]Because the original communist ideas were rainbows, candy, and unicorns. The theory completely denies the inherent traits of human nature which have managed to take capitalist societies to a geometrically greater degree of prosperity in both public and private sectors. Proletariat revolution? I easily and effectively one-up you with despotism. There, the story of every national communist regime out there.[/QUOTE]
uhhhhh, it was a scientific theory that worked in many small time communes. communism works
[QUOTE=Warhol;22941239]Earthen knows about as much about Communism as a fucking balloon
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uhhhhh, it was a scientific theory that worked in many small time communes. communism works[/QUOTE]
I'm going to reword your post so it's actually true
uhhhhh, it was a scientific theory that communism works in many small time communes.
I'm also going to note that people live in those communes [B]VOLUNTARILY[/B]
Communism is a step in evolution. I don't expect it soon, but for a better tomorrow you can promote anti-materialism and socialist legislation.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22941313]I'm going to reword your post so it's actually true
uhhhhh, it was a scientific theory that communism works in many small time communes.
I'm also going to note that people live in those communes [B]VOLUNTARILY[/B][/QUOTE]
Bohemia?
[QUOTE=Warhol;22941422]Bohemia?[/QUOTE]
Paris commune?
Communism doesn't isn't reflected by Canada. That was a very shity example. Communism has no capital, and Canda has capital. Communism is a very good idea, expecially cause it gets rid of problems (like the one US faces with China currently). The one problem I have with communism, not really a problem with communism itself I guess, is that implementing it would be near impossible. I think that communism is only practical on a city wide scale. Anything bigger than maybe a thousand people is way too big. But I applaud your reading of the manifesto.
[QUOTE=archie200034;22928081]communism is awful and if you even like it remotely you are awful :colbert:
and that book is pretty awful too[/QUOTE]
wow you're being ignorant.
communism is cool guys its soooo nonconformist and everything in it is free and everyone has incentive to do great things in their lives and not share their hard earned work and money with everyone else
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plus russia did it they have cool red stars and tanks and shit!!!1 xD
[QUOTE=Gunhound;22941657]Communism doesn't isn't reflected by Canada. That was a very shity example. Communism has no capital, and Canda has capital. Communism is a very good idea, expecially cause it gets rid of problems (like the one US faces with China currently). The one problem I have with communism, not really a problem with communism itself I guess, is that implementing it would be near impossible. I think that communism is only practical on a city wide scale. Anything bigger than maybe a thousand people is way too big. But I applaud your reading of the manifesto.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about the socialist aspect of canada.
[QUOTE=Rong;22939595]I know for certain, someone who wouldn't appreciate that.
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If we gave him special treatment because of his allergy to rainbows, [b]THE SYSTEM WOULD COLLAPSE[/b]
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[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22941399]Communism is a step in evolution. I don't expect it soon, but for a better tomorrow you can promote anti-materialism and socialist legislation.[/QUOTE]
:regd08:
One step forward, and 1981 steps backwards! Proboards, this whole communism thing IS a running gag, right? You're not really THIS brainwashed, are you? Test: Give me one good, large-scale example of Communism running 'the way it was intended.'
[QUOTE=Amplar;22941797]communism is cool guys its soooo nonconformist and everything in it is free and everyone has incentive to do great things in their lives and not share their hard earned work and money with everyone else
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plus russia did it they have cool red stars and tanks and shit!!!1 xD[/QUOTE]
how much you know in percentile:
3%
Capitalism is the fucking tits, I love that shit. I'm poor right now but hey, doesn't have to be that way forever.
[QUOTE=waffles16;22942361]Capitalism is the fucking tits, I love that shit. I'm poor right now but hey, doesn't have to be that way forever.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately if you have to rely on welfare, you can't use the welfare money to gamble now in a few states. Damn the conservatives, it's my free handout!
BUT, controlled welfare is very helpful to people who actually need it. It ensures your life will almost never be as shitty as it would be if the government controlled it.
Perhaps all those in poverty should simply work harder. As we all know, human civilization is supposed to stay in a "survival of the fittest" system, all resources and food should only go to those that have worked for them, the surplus should be kept from the damn lazy poors who have never worked in their life (not to mention they are physically disgusting to me). I have never been in any measure of poverty, I have never even worked, I have opinions on capitalism and socialism, I literally think I'm entitled to think I'm right about these things.
[QUOTE=mysteryman;22941689]wow you're being ignorant.[/QUOTE]
Wow really, am I? Thank you mysteryman, your post has made my life take a new direction and i now see the error of my ways.
[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;22934308]derp.[/QUOTE]
This helped a lot too.
I now see that a goverment controlling everything and everyone getting the same pay is truly what every country needs!
Communism works in theory. It doesn't work in life because people are pricks.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22939391]It's kind of both.
It's like in Vietnam. A friend of mine lived there for a while. He says they're not poor, they just like simple lifestyles, and they're happy that way.[/QUOTE]
If you gave them a chance to get more money, I'm sure they would be even happier.
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[QUOTE=Warhol;22942127]how much you know in percentile:
3%[/QUOTE]
Whoa dude awesome argument!
Actually have a point instead of just calling people idiots.
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[QUOTE=Paravin;22946505]Communism works in theory. It doesn't work in life because people are pricks.[/QUOTE]
No people just enjoy having their own things. If you call that selfishness then you need to get a reality check
Communism is great on paper, horrible in real life
I can't remember how it is in english.
But i think there was somewhere they wrote something like, Work as you are capable, and enjoy what you need.
And no. This! is the thread music! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUy8uX7thJ4[/media]
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