I have a few questions about Japanese culture (actual questions, not weeb shit, it's for a class), would anyone currently living in Japan be willing to answer a few questions?
Bonus points if you go to cram school/Juku and / or feel very stressed out from classes or life in general.
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51015059]I have a few questions about Japanese culture (actual questions, not weeb shit, it's for a class), would anyone currently living in Japan be willing to answer a few questions?
Bonus points if you go to cram school/Juku and / or feel very stressed out from classes or life in general.[/QUOTE]
I can, sure, but I cannot answer any questions regarding the latter because those do not apply to me, sorry.
My girlfriend is learning Japanese, so I thought I'd learn Hirigana, Katakana and maybe level 1 vocab/grammar so that I can joke with her.
Bearing in mind I'm not new to language learning, I'm intermediate-advanced in Chinese, have learned thousands of characters, so I can guess the meaning of lots of Kanji.
How long would it take to learn kanamoji at like half an hour a day alongside my Chinese study. I'm in no rush so I'm thinking of learning 3 a day 92/3 = about a month, two months with review. Then start on vocab/grammar.
Shouldn't be too hard right? How long did it take you guys? I assume for a lot of you Japanese was only your second language.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;51018044]My girlfriend is learning Japanese, so I thought I'd learn Hirigana, Katakana and maybe level 1 vocab/grammar so that I can joke with her.
Bearing in mind I'm not new to language learning, I'm intermediate-advanced in Chinese, have learned thousands of characters, so I can guess the meaning of lots of Kanji.
How long would it take to learn kanamoji at like half an hour a day alongside my Chinese study. I'm in no rush so I'm thinking of learning 3 a day 46/3 = a bit over two weeks, three weeks with review. Then start on vocab/grammar.
Shouldn't be too hard right? How long did it take you guys? I assume for a lot of you Japanese was only your second language.[/QUOTE]
I did a column a day for hiragana and then did 2 columns a day for katakana. Katakana took half the time because I found out [URL="http://realkana.com/"]realkana[/URL] exists.
I'm just going to add it on to my anki decks list.
[editline]8th September 2016[/editline]
Will handwrite too.
50 fucking times in your motherfucking notebook
It's a start. Probably pretty wrong.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/zS85XB3.jpg[/t]
Less strokes than I'm used to so that's cool.
Don't worry about it, it's better than Japanese handwriting.
Michel Thomasという方法のコースを聞いてみました。とてもとてもクソだったと思います。他の「生徒」は本当に精神障害者かもしれません。「高級」のコースの最初に基本の基本の日本語が含まれました。「So what is the Japanese word for ”it is”」と始まりました。「で、なんだろう」と思い、他の生徒は勿論「です」と返事しました。「なんか簡単じゃん」と思いながら聞きつづきました。「先生」は「日本語で”This is my money”はどうなりますか」と言って「生徒」は「彼…は…私の…お…金です。」と返事しました。彼。彼と言いました。カレ。びっくりさせたがまだ続けて「彼は…私の…お金…をです」と聞きました。「ええ？高級じゃない！これなんだろう。」と叫びながらPDFを読んで始めます。「高級」の最後に簡単な文法（「～たり」、「～たら」、「～みる」など）だけありましたよ。
「生徒」は「これは私のお金です」と言ったが怠ける僕は「これ僕のマネーだ」と言いました。日本人っぽくなるために外来語を使いすぎましたね。
本当の高級の文法（「すら」、「だい」あるいは「かい」、そして「だらけ」、「まみれ」など（「あるいは」もねｗ））は一度も現れませんでした。
耳に痛みをもらいたかったら、[URL="https://www.helifreak.club/Japanese%20Advanced%20CD1-01.mp3"]こちら[/URL]で「高級」の第1CDの第1章のMP3版を聴くことが出来ます。耳から血が出る可能性があるが責任を取りません。
こんな思いは僕だけじゃないのですか？皆さんはどうでしょうか？聴くだけのコースを聞いたここがありますか？日本語だけではなく、他の言語も大丈夫です。
[sp]英語の発音も悪かった。¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [/sp]
日本語の出力は物足りないが書くのはとても楽しかったです。(●´ϖ`●)
Hi, I figured this would be the best place for me to look for some translation help.
A few of my friends are interested in this upcoming Japanese mobile game and there was this poll on the company's Twitter. Can someone help translate this in English for me please?
[URL="https://mobile.twitter.com/SB_XTREME/status/819155191031136257"]https://mobile.twitter.com/SB_XTREME/status/819155191031136257[/URL]
Is it super expensive as a tourist in Japan?
i dunno, things here definitely seem cheaper than in china but i completely lost the track of how much money is worth after studying in china for a semester
amazing place btw everyone is super friendly and know english surprisingly well, makes me sad that my Japanese is i-checked-wikipedia-once-or-twice level of fluency
[editline]18th January 2017[/editline]
ho;w toielt work help
Are you a tourist or living there? It's always cheaper living somewhere even if it's fairly short-term, when I stayed in Bangkok an additional 2 months my expenses where less than an eighth the first month where I was staying in hotels and partying.
I read an old TripAdvisor post that a cheap shitty hotel is about £60pn in Japan, at those prices I could only afford a week maybe two in Japan compared to the month I booked in thailand, I know it's not really a fair comparison but Thailand is a fun place I enjoy visiting Japan is more a teenage wish
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[editline]18th January 2017[/editline]
ho;w toielt work help[/QUOTE]
press the penis pump button
I'm going to Japan for 3 weeks in August.
I don't know shit about Japan. Any advice/neat things to see while I'm there?
Aside from getting my passport/international driving permit up to date anything I should be doing right now?
[QUOTE=laserpanda;51702142]I'm going to Japan for 3 weeks in August.
I don't know shit about Japan. Any advice/neat things to see while I'm there?
Aside from getting my passport/international driving permit up to date anything I should be doing right now?[/QUOTE]
Where you gonna be, yo? If you're in Tokyo, the Robot Restaurant in Shinjuku has the best live show I've ever seen. Absolutely incredible performance.
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[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51703226]Where you gonna be, yo? If you're in Tokyo, the Robot Restaurant in Shinjuku has the best live show I've ever seen. Absolutely incredible performance.
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I'm going to arrive and depart from Tokyo Narita. Other than that I don't really have an itinerary other than visiting Osaka and Nara at some point on the trip.
[QUOTE=laserpanda;51704120]I'm going to arrive and depart from Tokyo Narita. Other than that I don't really have an itinerary other than visiting Osaka and Nara at some point on the trip.[/QUOTE]
I would definitely give at least a few days to exploring Shinjuku, Akiharaba, and Shibuya if you can. They are about an hour and a half by bus from Narita airport, and all within ~15-20 minutes of each other by train.
[B]Shinjuku[/B] is just wild. It's teeming with nightlife, restaurants, entertainment venues, and even one of the world's largest adult entertainment districts. It's not exactly an "all ages" part of the city, but if you like a bit of bizarre adventure and no-holds-barred nightlife, Shinjuku has you covered.
[I]Must-see: The Robot Restaurant Show and Golden Gai -- sprawling network of hundreds of tiny bars.[/I]
[t]https://triplelights.com/uploads/2014-08/shinjuku-tokyos-busiest-district-600x399-20141125-1.jpg[/t]
[B]Akihabara[/B] is geek mecca -- a district slathered in bright signs, huge arcades, hobby shops, comic and figma shops, maid cafes, massive tech stores, etc. They also have big outdoor bazaars on the weekends, where you can find a sprawling outdoor market filled with damn near everything you could imagine.
[I]Must-see: Taito Station (6 story arcade) and M's Pop Life (7 story sex shop, weird and fun)[/I]
[t]http://www.vcinemashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/akiba1.jpg[/t]
[B]Shibuya[/B] is another place for some amazing nightlife, and on a much larger scale than Shinjuku's offerings. Shinjuku has tons of amazing bars, restaurants, and various types of entertainment of night-life, but it's all a bit more "cozy." Shibuya is the massive, modern, city-sized equivalent. Towering buildings, huge animation signs, full on nightclubs and theme restaurants and blah blah blah.
[I]Must-see: Sadly, no suggestions. We only spent one night in Shinjuku, and didn't have time to come properly explore it. It seemed pretty amazing, though![/I]
[t]https://cdn.cheapoguides.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/09/shutterstock_140744878.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Nexosz;51689276]ho;w toielt work help[/QUOTE]
seriously how is it that hard to understand, just press the butt spray button and then the stop button when cleaned enough
how come when i go to the sushi train, every now and then one of the chefs will let out like a chicken crow and the other staff members mimic them?
[editline]16th February 2017[/editline]
this has been on my mind my whole life
[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;51826227]how come when i go to the sushi train, every now and then one of the chefs will let out like a chicken crow and the other staff members mimic them?[/QUOTE]
What are they saying?
Usually everyone shouts "いっらしゃいませ！", whenever welcoming a new customer.
[QUOTE=Hallos;51830286]What are they saying?
Usually everyone shouts "いっらしゃいませ！", whenever welcoming a new customer.[/QUOTE]
i dunno i don't speak japanese, they do say welcome or something like that in japanese when you arrive. but its like one of the chefs will be rolling some sushi and then just start making this noise that escalates and the other chefs do the same.
An obvious question for a newcomer like me:
Is there a good solid way to learn by myself Japanese?
4chan has a thread called /djt/ (daily japanese thread) for language learners, their pastebin is a good place to look if you're looking for resources: [url]https://djtguide.neocities.org/[/url]
Take anything you read on 4ch with a grain of salt of course, researching your own reference material is always good.
My recommendation:
learn all the hiragana off by heart
then learn the katakana
then focus on grammar, kanji and vocabulary (simultaneously)
there are many many ways to learn all of those, but that is the best way to get started since you get good footholds along the way.
I can tell you from experience that doing kanji 'later' will not work. start it asap.
Above all consistency is key. I study for about 30-40 minutes every day. and I've spent well over 500 hours learning this shit. And I'm not even good at it. Before you even think about starting ask yourself, are you a bad enough dude to spend hours upon hours doing the same shit over and over again for very slow progress and basically no tangible benefits? Think real hard on that because if you don't fully commit you're wasting your time.
If all that hasn't scared you off, the fast anime discord has a #nihongo channel where we chat in japanese, discuss learning materials and strategies and bitch about kanji. [url]https://discord.gg/7tVfg[/url]
[QUOTE=SweetShark;51830666]An obvious question for a newcomer like me:
Is there a good solid way to learn by myself Japanese?[/QUOTE]
Oh boy!
Gonna shill [URL="http://guidetojapanese.org/"]Tae Kim's grammar guide[/URL] until the day I die, basically the best resource for Japanese grammar and will take you from nothing up to the top end where you are learning grammar you'll never use. Also has free a Android app, paid iPhone app, paper copies, and PDFs if you want offline versions. The web version is free and most up to date.
Perhaps consider a beginner textbook like the Genki series, they are well regarded but I can't stand textbooks. There's others like Minna no Nihongo as well but I haven't read them. I found they petered out in usefulness later on but have a solid base for vocabulary, apart from the whole tertiary level vocab you don't need that they insist on including (majors, economics, etc).
[URL="https://apps.ankiweb.net/"]Anki[/URL] is the best way to ensure long term retention, taken from the Japanese word 暗記 - memorisation. There's a whole bunch of premade decks on there if you want to try some out, I'm using the core 2k/6k for vocab currently but it's boring as fuck.
For kanji I'd recommend doing a heisig method / derivative, where you learn an English (there's probably a set for Greek if you'd prefer) keyword for the character and then learn pronunciation and words afterwards. I used [URL="http://kanjidamage.com/"]Kanji Damage[/URL] because it's got more yo mama jokes. I made my own Anki deck for that which you can get [URL="https://www.helifreak.club/files/Kanji%20Damage.apkg"]here[/URL] in case the official Kanji Damage deck isn't to your liking. The main thing mine has going for it is that I went through and added a Japanese keyword for every single kanji in there meaning that you are using Japanese to recall the meaning which probably helps.
What is important at the start is to just absorb as much input as you can, the grammar is completely different to other languages and your brain will need time to adjust to it. Even if you aren't actively listening to it, just having something going in the background you'll find yourself picking up on things over time.
Be prepared for it to suck after the honeymoon period wears off and you can no longer learn massive swathes of new vocab and grammar with little effort.
And don't forget the most important part: have fun. If you aren't enjoying something ditch it and find something you do. This is going to take a [I]fucking long time[/I], if it's not fun you won't stick with it. I've spent 300 hours studying kanji in Anki alone, and another 100 hours of vocab after that.
It's been two years, I still suck but I can read the visual novels that I want and not feel like I'm missing out. I'd suggest picking a big goal that you want to achieve, maybe reading a book, maybe watching a movie without subs - something to look forward to. I read the first half of eden* in English then made it my goal to git gud enough to read it untranslated; took me 8 months but I did it and it felt fantastic.
Good luck guy.
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Can confirm correct path is hiragana > katakana > kanji. Avoid romaji like the plague if you can, it's awful, nobody can decide on a standard and will only lead to bad pronunciation and mistakes. Kanji is a bitch but it's an important bitch, in time you will grow to love it as I have. Learn it early, learn it well.
Didn't even ask the question but I might pick up learning Japanese again after reading these, thanks for the info both of you.
[QUOTE=helifreak;51830701]Oh boy!
Gonna shill [URL="http://guidetojapanese.org/"]Tae Kim's grammar guide[/URL] until the day I die, basically the best resource for Japanese grammar and will take you from nothing up to the top end where you are learning grammar you'll never use. Also has free a Android app, paid iPhone app, paper copies, and PDFs if you want offline versions. The web version is free and most up to date.
Perhaps consider a beginner textbook like the Genki series, they are well regarded but I can't stand textbooks. There's others like Minna no Nihongo as well but I haven't read them. I found they petered out in usefulness later on but have a solid base for vocabulary, apart from the whole tertiary level vocab you don't need that they insist on including (majors, economics, etc).
[URL="https://apps.ankiweb.net/"]Anki[/URL] is the best way to ensure long term retention, taken from the Japanese word 暗記 - memorisation. There's a whole bunch of premade decks on there if you want to try some out, I'm using the core 2k/6k for vocab currently but it's boring as fuck.
For kanji I'd recommend doing a heisig method / derivative, where you learn an English (there's probably a set for Greek if you'd prefer) keyword for the character and then learn pronunciation and words afterwards. I used [URL="http://kanjidamage.com/"]Kanji Damage[/URL] because it's got more yo mama jokes. I made my own Anki deck for that which you can get [URL="https://www.helifreak.club/files/Kanji%20Damage.apkg"]here[/URL] in case the official Kanji Damage deck isn't to your liking. The main thing mine has going for it is that I went through and added a Japanese keyword for every single kanji in there meaning that you are using Japanese to recall the meaning which probably helps.
What is important at the start is to just absorb as much input as you can, the grammar is completely different to other languages and your brain will need time to adjust to it. Even if you aren't actively listening to it, just having something going in the background you'll find yourself picking up on things over time.
Be prepared for it to suck after the honeymoon period wears off and you can no longer learn massive swathes of new vocab and grammar with little effort.
And don't forget the most important part: have fun. If you aren't enjoying something ditch it and find something you do. This is going to take a [I]fucking long time[/I], if it's not fun you won't stick with it. I've spent 300 hours studying kanji in Anki alone, and another 100 hours of vocab after that.
It's been two years, I still suck but I can read the visual novels that I want and not feel like I'm missing out. I'd suggest picking a big goal that you want to achieve, maybe reading a book, maybe watching a movie without subs - something to look forward to. I read the first half of eden* in English then made it my goal to git gud enough to read it untranslated; took me 8 months but I did it and it felt fantastic.
Good luck guy.
[editline]This wasn't actually an edit[/editline]
Can confirm correct path is hiragana > katakana > kanji. Avoid romaji like the plague if you can, it's awful, nobody can decide on a standard and will only lead to bad pronunciation and mistakes. Kanji is a bitch but it's an important bitch, in time you will grow to love it as I have. Learn it early, learn it well.[/QUOTE]
Thank you so much for your nfo.
And don't worry, because I know from a fact that Greeks [my language] are more difficult than Japanese. i will give it a go.
EDIT:
HAHAHAHA! I thought maybe there is a Parody kindergarden style Visual Novel with a title like "My First Erotic Visual Novel".
I would KILL to see something like that happening.
[QUOTE=SweetShark;51830762]HAHAHAHA! I thought maybe there is a Parody kindergarden style Visual Novel with a title like "My First Erotic Visual Novel".
I would KILL to see something like that happening.[/QUOTE]
Only CD I own is the soundtrack to an erotic visual novel so there's that. Don't let your dreams be dreams.
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