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Holy shit, I just had the first practice for Drumline. We're going to practice every day, OUTSIDE IN ALABAMA UNDER THE SUN, for the rest of the summer, every tuesday and thursday. I had to carry a 50 pound snare on my back for two hours and thirty minutes. I'm working on my traditional now. I have to get it so I can rebound the stick off the drum to a 12 o'clock position while still in traditional and still playing on time. I almost freaking passed out, being the shorty that I am. But I'm sure that on Thursday my muscles will be adjusted and I will have a better time. But holy shit.
[QUOTE=Meatmuppet;21744744]Holy shit, I just had the first practice for Drumline. We're going to practice every day, OUTSIDE IN ALABAMA UNDER THE SUN, for the rest of the summer, every tuesday and thursday. I had to carry a 50 pound snare on my back for two hours and thirty minutes. I'm working on my traditional now. I have to get it so I can rebound the stick off the drum to a 12 o'clock position while still in traditional and still playing on time. I almost freaking passed out, being the shorty that I am. But I'm sure that on Thursday my muscles will be adjusted and I will have a better time. But holy shit.[/QUOTE] I can guarentee your snare drum isn't 50 pounds. Drumlines often have Yamaha MTS's or sfz's, or hell even powerlites. None of those are even 20 pounds, let alone 50. And whoever is telling you to put your sticks in a completely vertical position while playing is inexperienced. You don't whale your sticks as high as you can, that looks sloppy.
[QUOTE=stupid10er;21746023]I can guarentee your snare drum isn't 50 pounds. Drumlines often have Yamaha MTS's or sfz's, or hell even powerlites. None of those are even 20 pounds, let alone 50. And whoever is telling you to put your sticks in a completely vertical position while playing is inexperienced. You don't whale your sticks as high as you can, that looks sloppy.[/QUOTE] We're just rebounding our sticks that way for practicing. It also helps us keep our stick heights coherent. He's added weights to the snares to help us get used them, so when we actually play with the regular snares, it's a breeze.
[QUOTE=Meatmuppet;21747512]We're just rebounding our sticks that way for practicing. It also helps us keep our stick heights coherent. He's added weights to the snares to help us get used them, so when we actually play with the regular snares, it's a breeze.[/QUOTE] You're in a marching band?
[quote=poryon2;21744633]he didn't say anything bad about your cymbals[/quote] [editline]09:14am[/editline] [quote=bassb;21740590]the hyperdrive deserves some better cymbals[/quote] :downs: [editline]09:16AM[/editline] [QUOTE=poryon2;21744633]he probably though you don't use your hi-hat pedal because the double bass connector thing is in the way of it[/QUOTE] I can reach my hi-hat pedal perfectly fine, it isn't in the way at all.
[QUOTE=Livewire123;21743933]I'm saving cash to replace some of my cymbals, but the one I'm using most is a 20" Sabian AA Crash, which is far from a bad cymbal by any measure, and all the others (except the one on my left) are rather expensive, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I don't know how it's boring either, playing along to AC/DC or anything with a straight beat for the entire song is what I'd call boring, this song has a ton of alternating beats, which is why I play it. Ahead Stick are now gone, I use Promarks. I didn't use my hi-hat pedal because the song didn't require it, if I threw a bunch of extra shit in there it wouldn't really be a drum cover as I was going for accuracy. If there was anything which obviously needed changing in the video it's my drumheads as they're still the stock ones, but you picked out all that random shit and didn't notice that? Do you even play drums? But good job on assuming my entire talent from 1 song. :downs:[/QUOTE] calm down angry kid i never said all your cymbals are bad, AA's are awesome AAX china too. but to be honest: zbt b8 and edge, are pretty crap. i started out with cheapo shit cymbals too, so i upgraded the essentials first, the ride and hi-hat, you will be hitting those the most, so i was willing to spend on those, i ended up buying an Paiste Alpha dry 20" ride, and 14" Paiste 2002 sound-edge hi-hats. crashes/effect cymbals/chinas, come second for me. but i didn't hesitate to buy some awesome cymbals on that side of drumming either. i ended up buying a 19" Paiste 2002 crash and 20" Paiste 2002 Medium. (paiste 2002 are top of the line cymbals, alpha somewhere between mid an pro, just so you know) And honestly, you are right about the heads, they need changing. but with proper tuning even stock heads can sound great, especially on a mid/high-end kit like the tama hyperdrive. good job on switching to the pro marks, i've used them for a while too, back at vic firth now. i like to throw in extra shit in whatever cover i do, but if you wanna exactly copy another song, your call. i didn't assume your talent anywhere, where did you get that from? :downs: [editline]01:08PM[/editline] [QUOTE=poryon2;21744633] he probably though you don't use your hi-hat pedal because the double bass connector thing is in the way of it (i thought that as well).[/QUOTE] that shouldn't even be a problem, i have my slave pedal on the left side of my hi-hat pedal (right handed drummer still) just so i can get my hi-hat closer to me, witouth having the slave pedal too far under my snare.
[QUOTE=BassB;21751862]calm down angry kid i never said all your cymbals are bad, AA's are awesome AAX china too. but to be honest: zbt b8 and edge, are pretty crap. i started out with cheapo shit cymbals too, so i upgraded the essentials first, the ride and hi-hat, you will be hitting those the most, so i was willing to spend on those, i ended up buying an Paiste Alpha dry 20" ride, and 14" Paiste 2002 sound-edge hi-hats. crashes/effect cymbals/chinas, come second for me. but i didn't hesitate to buy some awesome cymbals on that side of drumming either. i ended up buying a 19" Paiste 2002 crash and 20" Paiste 2002 Medium. (paiste 2002 are top of the line cymbals, alpha somewhere between mid an pro, just so you know) And honestly, you are right about the heads, they need changing. but with proper tuning even stock heads can sound great, especially on a mid/high-end kit like the tama hyperdrive. good job on switching to the pro marks, i've used them for a while too, back at vic firth now. i like to throw in extra shit in whatever cover i do, but if you wanna exactly copy another song, your call. i didn't assume your talent anywhere, where did you get that from? :downs: [editline]01:08PM[/editline] that shouldn't even be a problem, i have my slave pedal on the left side of my hi-hat pedal (right handed drummer still) just so i can get my hi-hat closer to me, witouth having the slave pedal too far under my snare.[/QUOTE] I'm not angry, I just interpreted the way you were talking about my cymbals as you saying they were shit, and when you assumed I don't use my hi-hat pedal I thought you were judging my entire ability based on that one song. So my apologies, and yes, Promarks are much more comfortable to play with than Ahead's.
[QUOTE=Livewire123;21753077]I'm not angry, I just interpreted the way you were talking about my cymbals as you saying they were shit, and when you assumed I don't use my hi-hat pedal I thought you were judging my entire ability based on that one song. So my apologies, and yes, Promarks are much more comfortable to play with than Ahead's.[/QUOTE] fair enough, i thought it was strange you kept your hi-hat pedal out of reach just because the song didn't ask for it, but okay. what size are you using 5b i guess? i really digged the pro mark 5aN, but apperently they didn't stand up to rimshots that good.
[QUOTE=BassB;21754797]fair enough, i thought it was strange you kept your hi-hat pedal out of reach just because the song didn't ask for it, but okay. what size are you using 5b i guess? i really digged the pro mark 5aN, but apperently they didn't stand up to rimshots that good.[/QUOTE] I'm using 5A's, haven't had the oppertunity to check out the 5AN's sadly.
[QUOTE=Livewire123;21757953]I'm using 5A's, haven't had the oppertunity to check out the 5AN's sadly.[/QUOTE] woah, must have been a huge step from those heavy alu ahead sticks. good choice
[QUOTE=Meatmuppet;21747512]We're just rebounding our sticks that way for practicing. It also helps us keep our stick heights coherent. He's added weights to the snares to help us get used them, so when we actually play with the regular snares, it's a breeze.[/QUOTE] Your instructor is a tool. The only way to get good stick heights, is to practice good stick heights, not botch them, and play 2x the normal height. And that weight idea is just about the most stupid idea I've ever heard. If you guys really have problems with those kind of snares, you shouldn't be playing them, and even more so if you have to work on traditional grip. No matter how much weights you put on the drum, once you take them off, it's still going to be the same feeling as if you never practiced with weights. Your instructor likes to over-exaggerate things as if they make you better when it comes down to the real thing. Instead of doing all this stupid shit you said, he should actually take the time that he bullshits around, and teach you guys how to play, being that you need to "work on your traditional".
[QUOTE=stupid10er;21765931]Your instructor is a tool. The only way to get good stick heights, is to practice good stick heights, not botch them, and play 2x the normal height. And that weight idea is just about the most stupid idea I've ever heard. If you guys really have problems with those kind of snares, you shouldn't be playing them, and even more so if you have to work on traditional grip. No matter how much weights you put on the drum, once you take them off, it's still going to be the same feeling as if you never practiced with weights. Your instructor likes to over-exaggerate things as if they make you better when it comes down to the real thing. Instead of doing all this stupid shit you said, he should actually take the time that he bullshits around, and teach you guys how to play, being that you need to "work on your traditional".[/QUOTE] Do you even know what you're saying? We practice at 12 because it teaches us better stick control. We learn to use our wrists and not just the rebound of the drum. It was only the first day, too, so honestly it was my fault telling you guys that. He put us through drills of 135 to 185 BPM, in intervals of ten. We started on our right hand until it was perfect, on time, and everyone's sticks were matching perfectly. While we're playing, he counts off, and we go to our left hand, still traditional, still 12. We go through the same thing, then we do sixteenths with alternating hands, still 12. As we went up in tempo, we started going down in sticking positions. We were at 8 when it was at 185. He then told us exactly what heights we were usually going to be playing, and then drilled us with those heights. And the weights help a shit load, ask every member of our team. They find an extremely noticeable difference when playing without the weights as opposed to with them, they say it's light featherweight on their backs. Our instructor is a damn good one, and while we're doing drills he comes to all of us and plays it perfectly on time, waits until we match exactly his stick height and speed, and then moves on. Same with bass and quads.
Woot I bought a Mapex big cat ha hopefully it will have power compaired to my Chris adler sig 12"x5.5" This thing is 14"x8"!
[QUOTE=Meatmuppet;21766785]Do you even know what you're saying? We practice at 12 because it teaches us better stick control. We learn to use our wrists and not just the rebound of the drum. It was only the first day, too, so honestly it was my fault telling you guys that. He put us through drills of 135 to 185 BPM, in intervals of ten. We started on our right hand until it was perfect, on time, and everyone's sticks were matching perfectly. While we're playing, he counts off, and we go to our left hand, still traditional, still 12. We go through the same thing, then we do sixteenths with alternating hands, still 12. As we went up in tempo, we started going down in sticking positions. We were at 8 when it was at 185. He then told us exactly what heights we were usually going to be playing, and then drilled us with those heights. And the weights help a shit load, ask every member of our team. They find an extremely noticeable difference when playing without the weights as opposed to with them, they say it's light featherweight on their backs. Our instructor is a damn good one, and while we're doing drills he comes to all of us and plays it perfectly on time, waits until we match exactly his stick height and speed, and then moves on. Same with bass and quads.[/QUOTE] Do you know what your saying? I'm part of an alumni drum corps(for two years as of now) as bass drum, but I observe what the snare line does, as they're run by two prominent DCI figures(You probably don't know what DCI is, youtube "Cadets Drumline", for a real drumline, not some punk renegade highschool. If your interested more, do some more research on drum corps.) Not only that, I've volunteered in a Cadets drum corps runned program for kids, and I've played with a cadets member personally in that stated program program. I've been taught from a college professor, a past-drum corps member, and a drum instructor. Not to mention, I'm also volunteering with the Cadets this summer, so I'll know even more by then. Learning at a 12' o clock position not only starts bad habits, but it just looks so fucking sloppy. You're going to want to play at 12 o' clock every time you play slowly, and you'll look like an idiot. You're instructor wastes all his time worrying about stupid shit that comes to experienced players(from the way you phrase everything, you and everyone in your line are novices), he should be teaching you how to be playing properly, not bullshitting around.
Mirror bass drum patterns are fun.
[QUOTE=sirpopsalot_;21724309]Guy at guitar center said that this kit: [URL]http://www.guitarcenter.com/Alesis-DM6-Electronic-Drum-Set-875801-i1449703.gc[/URL] sucks mighty balls, isnt upgradable and has shitty quality. He said I should buy this : [URL]http://www.guitarcenter.com/Yamaha-DTXPLORER-Electronic-Drum-Set-769785-i1380291.gc[/URL]. Is the extra papah worth it?[/QUOTE] definitely yamaha, i've played both and it feels muich better. the crash takes getting used to though because of the shape
[QUOTE=stupid10er;21784953]Do you know what your saying? I'm part of an alumni drum corps(for two years as of now) as bass drum, but I observe what the snare line does, as they're run by two prominent DCI figures(You probably don't know what DCI is, youtube "Cadets Drumline", for a real drumline, not some punk renegade highschool. If your interested more, do some more research on drum corps.) Not only that, I've volunteered in a Cadets drum corps runned program for kids, and I've played with a cadets member personally in that stated program program. I've been taught from a college professor, a past-drum corps member, and a drum instructor. Not to mention, I'm also volunteering with the Cadets this summer, so I'll know even more by then. Learning at a 12' o clock position not only starts bad habits, but it just looks so fucking sloppy. You're going to want to play at 12 o' clock every time you play slowly, and you'll look like an idiot. You're instructor wastes all his time worrying about stupid shit that comes to experienced players(from the way you phrase everything, you and everyone in your line are novices), he should be teaching you how to be playing properly, not bullshitting around.[/QUOTE] I'm a little confused here. If by 12 o clock you mean 12" stick heights, I don't see how that's sloppy at all. Especially considering your experience with the Cadets, I don't know what got you under that impression. The Cadets teach that 12" is vertical, and if you watch any of their drumlines in the last 20 years you'll see that they achieve a perfect 12" stroke cleanly. As for learning, any new player should start with playing legato strokes at 12". It teaches use of rebound in combination with arm and wrist, as well as building full wrist rotation with the left hand. Although it does sound like his instructor is a bit of an idiot. Adding weights to the drums? All that's going to do is damage your back and teach you bad techniques as you try to adjust to the ridiculous amount of weight. Why practice in a situation that's different from performance? That's just dumb. As for myself, I've marched 2 years in DCA with the Hawthone Caballeros, where I'm currently the tenor section leader, where Tom Aungst and former Cadets are on staff. I'm also the center snare of my highschool's drumline, for what it's worth.
Actually it turns out that he was just fucking with our minds when he said he added weights. I feel stupid.
[QUOTE=bltsponge;21847990]I'm a little confused here. If by 12 o clock you mean 12" stick heights, I don't see how that's sloppy at all. Especially considering your experience with the Cadets, I don't know what got you under that impression. The Cadets teach that 12" is vertical, and if you watch any of their drumlines in the last 20 years you'll see that they achieve a perfect 12" stroke cleanly. As for learning, any new player should start with playing legato strokes at 12". It teaches use of rebound in combination with arm and wrist, as well as building full wrist rotation with the left hand. Although it does sound like his instructor is a bit of an idiot. Adding weights to the drums? All that's going to do is damage your back and teach you bad techniques as you try to adjust to the ridiculous amount of weight. Why practice in a situation that's different from performance? That's just dumb. As for myself, I've marched 2 years in DCA with the Hawthone Caballeros, where I'm currently the tenor section leader, where Tom Aungst and former Cadets are on staff. I'm also the center snare of my highschool's drumline, for what it's worth.[/QUOTE] By referring to vertical stick heights, I meant that constantly playing at 12 looks sloppy. Accents, or playing FFF(not for too long, or it does look sloppy), is fine.
Ah, alright. Yeah, playing a true 12/3 or even 12/6 at faster tempos is pretty cool to see, but having everything up at 12 is dumb. Anyway, it's nice to see other people on this forum who are part of drumlines.
Yeah, we're not playing at 12 at games or actually playing a piece, it's just used for [quote]Teaching use of rebound in combination with arm and wrist, as well as building full wrist rotation with the left hand.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Livewire123;21737611][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNG8u20eV28[/media][/QUOTE] Are those stock heads?
[QUOTE=DarkSin;21848992]Are those stock heads?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Livewire123;21743933]If there was anything which obviously needed changing in the video it's my drumheads as they're still the stock ones,[/QUOTE] rated bad reading
[QUOTE=GhostxNote;21654586]Decided to go dumpster diving a couple days ago. Managed to pick up these babys. 1965 Slingerland drums 3ply maple shells with maple reinforcement rings. The finish slowly grows on you, but I have been high all day so that might explain it... I'm planning on restoring it. Do any of you have suggestions on what Wrap I should use? There is a couple dings in the wood so it might look gross with a laquer or stain.[/QUOTE] Hey man, you're ghostnote from the pdf! Also guys, [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMVuYGFZ_c&playnext_from=TL&videos=RvLNmlG_0AU[/url] Watch that, then quit.
[QUOTE=Ryder1337;21884233]Hey man, you're ghostnote from the pdf! Also guys, [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMVuYGFZ_c&playnext_from=TL&videos=RvLNmlG_0AU[/URL] Watch that, then quit.[/QUOTE] I'd rather watch it and get inspired to practce more. Chris Dave rules.
[QUOTE=Ryder1337;21884233]Hey man, you're ghostnote from the pdf! Also guys, [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMVuYGFZ_c&playnext_from=TL&videos=RvLNmlG_0AU[/url] Watch that, then quit.[/QUOTE] wow that guy's awesome. he also has quite an interesting setup, i didn't even know they made o-zone hats also for any drummers that didn't know if you buy an AA, AAX, APX, HH, or HHX crash from guitarcenter or musiciansfriend you get a free 15" AAXplosion crash by mail in rebate. i'm getting an 16" hhxtreme crash and probably an 18" AAX dark crash, and since i should be getting the 15" with both i'm going to sell one and keep the other.
[QUOTE=poryon2;21888713]wow that guy's awesome. he also has quite an interesting setup, i didn't even know they made o-zone hats also for any drummers that didn't know if you buy an AA, AAX, APX, HH, or HHX crash from guitarcenter or musiciansfriend you get a free 15" AAXplosion crash by mail in rebate. i'm getting an 16" hhxtreme crash and probably an 18" AAX dark crash, and since i should be getting the 15" with both i'm going to sell one and keep the other.[/QUOTE] They don't, he did. It's an 18" HHX Ozone over an 18" Sabian Picante Crash And to the other above guy, I agree, I was just playing.
Does anyone know if its possible to add more cymbals to an electric drum kit?
[QUOTE=sirpopsalot_;21971484]Does anyone know if its possible to add more cymbals to an electric drum kit?[/QUOTE] I suppose it it would all depend on the model of drums, and if the brain allows for more. Like my uncle's $5000 electrics have a 4th tom that he can't use because his brain doesn't have enough openings for it.
[QUOTE=Fish_poke;21972025]I suppose it it would all depend on the model of drums, and if the brain allows for more. Like my uncle's $5000 electrics have a 4th tom that he can't use because his brain doesn't have enough openings for it.[/QUOTE] Thats fucking stupid. Im getting a yamaha dtxplorer if that changes anything
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