The distances are actually less than they appear, I would love to move the cymbals closer but I don't have any boom stands.
but... how do you even put a foot on the bassdrum pedal and a foot on the hi-hat pedal, thats so far apart!
also if you moved the biggest rack tom a bit over the bass drum, and you put your cymbals lower, they would be much closer witouth a boom stand.
it would also enable you to move your hi-hat closer and in a more comfortable angle.
I have long legs, and the distance is less than two feet, the distance between my hi hat pedal and drum pedal isn't really that far.
i am 2 meters long, i could make the distance, but pushing down the pedals would be really uncomfortable.
also the distances between everything are so huge, any fast fill would fill, try to do a fast tom roll, i assure you you can't keep up the pace in the gap between the big rack tom and the floor tom.
i'd say just play around with a MUCH tighter setup, because this looks uncomfortable as fuck.
What kind of music do you play?
Its comfortable for me, I can't do incredibly fast rolls on the tom but its comfortable, I can probably put the largest rack tom over my bass drum but I don't think I would like it there.
I agree with BassB. Also, get boom stands.
Shit. I'm more likely than not going to have to switch schools so I need to learn the other school's show after i started memorizing Thriller. Hopefully they won't be doing the show I did last year and hopefully they'll have tryouts because their drum camp was last week.
[QUOTE=BassB;24108395]wait where's your ride[/QUOTE]
:frown: you just made me realize of how much I miss to have a ride! I am torn between paying 200€ for an double bass drum pedal or an paiste alpha 20 rock crash (which sounds incredible as an ride) for 200€. I have 2 crashes, 1 splash, 2 chinas but no goddamn ride! ARGH!
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Double bass[/B] pedal? Or [B]ride[/B]? vote artistic for double bass pedal and hearts for the ride! Which one to get first!
[QUOTE=Aljaud;24121345]I agree with BassB. Also, get boom stands.[/QUOTE]
I don't know where I would move my floor tom, unless I moved it behind my rack toms and put it up higher, than it might work better for faster rolls.
[QUOTE=Darkslicer;24126937]:frown: you just made me realize of how much I miss to have a ride! I am torn between paying 200€ for an double bass drum pedal or an paiste alpha 20 rock crash (which sounds incredible as an ride) for 200€. I have 2 crashes, 1 splash, 2 chinas but no goddamn ride! ARGH!
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Double bass[/B] pedal? Or [B]ride[/B]? vote artistic for double bass pedal and hearts for the ride! Which one to get first![/QUOTE]
Double bass in my opinion. You can get more use and learn new beats and grooves with it. Also helps to have both feet able to play as good as each other.
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;24130244]Double bass in my opinion. You can get more use and learn new beats and grooves with it. Also helps to have both feet able to play as good as each other.[/QUOTE]
Yea grooves man, I love grooves but I am torn between double bass and ride, ride will give me another crash + new ride riding.
The double bass drum pedal give's me the groove and better kick drum grooves, I think about it and when I made a decision I let everyone know :smile:
You should treat your ride like a second hi-hat.
Please buy a ride before double pedals, please please please. You won't regret it!
Get insanely good and THEN add the second pedal.
[QUOTE=lnfx;24130450]You should treat your ride like a second hi-hat.
Please buy a ride before double pedals, please please please. You won't regret it!
Get insanely good and THEN add the second pedal.[/QUOTE]
You are right man, damn right! Everyone is right! Ride here I come! Thank you all!
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;24127557]I don't know where I would move my floor tom, unless I moved it behind my rack toms and put it up higher, than it might work better for faster rolls.[/QUOTE]
your right leg should be between your snare and floor tom, put the floor tom as close to your right leg as is comfortable, thats usually the easiest and fastest, so you can switch between toms snare and floor tom quick.
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[QUOTE=Darkslicer;24130811]You are right man, damn right! Everyone is right! Ride here I come! Thank you all![/QUOTE]
get a ride as ride, not a crash. please, you'll regret it, i know how the 20" alpha rock crash sounds and it's not suitable as ride, it's just too... crashy, it will probably not get trough the mix nice at all. invest in a good ride, you'll thank yourself.
getting a double bass pedal before you even have a ride is madness, you should get the ride and hi-hat first, and focus on crashes china's and effect cymbals after that :/
Well, moved my floor tom, its now between my hihat and my rack toms. Its a weird spot but I like it.
[QUOTE=lnfx;24130450]You should treat your ride like a second hi-hat.
Please buy a ride before double pedals, please please please. You won't regret it!
Get insanely good and THEN add the second pedal.[/QUOTE]
I'd prefer to work on all of my four limbs at the same time. It's frustrating having one side really good and the other side terribly bad.
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;24132582]I'd prefer to work on all of my four limbs at the same time. It's frustrating having one side really good and the other side terribly bad.[/QUOTE]
Hihat pedal ring a bell?
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;24131796]Well, moved my floor tom, its now between my hihat and my rack toms. Its a weird spot but I like it.[/QUOTE]
wait.. what? you shouldn't even have room there, especially with offset toms
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[QUOTE=Eluveitie;24132582]I'd prefer to work on all of my four limbs at the same time. It's frustrating having one side really good and the other side terribly bad.[/QUOTE]
i think experience with a ride is way better than this, you can survive on professional level witouth a double bass pedal, for example, Nicko Mcbrain manages to play all of his stuff with a single pedal. but witouth a ride a drumset just feels empty, it takes away a big facet of sound. double bass pedal only enables you to make the same sound faster, you're better off learning some heel toe, buying a ride, and saving up for the double bass.
if you insist on training your left foot, you could always make your entire setup lefty for a little while.
[QUOTE=BassB;24130954]get a ride as ride, not a crash. please, you'll regret it.[/QUOTE]
I want a crashy ride! It dont needs to sound like the classic rides, since I am playing groove metal and I am in need of an deep crash anyways, so its 2 in 1. If I will not be happy with the result then I can still buy a ride sometime, but for now I want it 2 in 1 and from hearing it on videos, I can pretty much tell that I like it!
My uncle is letting me use his 1961 Ludwig 4-piece. He won't bring it over until this Saturday, but I do know that it's an antique set and could bring in a lot of money if he decides to sell it. I hope he doesn't sell it because he's had that thing since the late 70s.
In fact, I know he won't sell it because he got another set after that, but didn't like it so he returned it and got an electronic set.
I've only seen the two sets once before and that was a few years ago so I don't know who made the electronic set. I'll put pics up when he brings it over.
[IMG]http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/darkrei9n/IMG00074-20100817-0950.jpg[/IMG]
New setup of my set, to explain to BassB.
it's an interesting concept, even a bit Rev-ish, but please, theres no way playing a simple 4/4 hi-hat beat is comfortable, you basically have to strafe for the hi-hat on every hit, and if you want to switch to the ride, you pretty much have to stand up.
i heavily recommend trying a traditional offset tom set and going from there. 13" tom partly over the bassdrum, floor tom right of the snare, ride next to the 13" tom, hi hat next (almost overlapping the snare. a bit in front of the 12" tom). then straight out your feet a bit instead of having your feet \ /, try to get thema bit more | |, if you get what i mean.
try to get comfortable with it, every drumset deserves the change to be setup like that. (to make everything a bit tighter, the stands legs don't have to be entirely spread out like that).
i'll make a top view of what i mean in a few minutes.
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[QUOTE=Darkslicer;24132994]I want a crashy ride! It dont needs to sound like the classic rides, since I am playing groove metal and I am in need of an deep crash anyways, so its 2 in 1. If I will not be happy with the result then I can still buy a ride sometime, but for now I want it 2 in 1 and from hearing it on videos, I can pretty much tell that I like it![/QUOTE]
especially if you're in a metal band you want a cutting ride with a nice seperated cutting bell. not something a crash would give you. there are several crash-able rides, but for your style you would usually have a pretty heavy ride with a good bell.
you'd best try some rides out that suit your style, and put the crash-ability second, go to a music store and try some out i'd say. but a big crash would give you way to much wash to cut trough, and the fairly intregated bell would not cut at all.
go to [url]www.paiste.com[/url] you can hear loads of very accurate sound samples there!
I don't have to stand up to hit my ride, I barely have to my arm to hit it, and what do you mean strafe to hit the hi-hat?
so this is your setup, agree? (well kinda, i'm no expert)
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5754171/big.jpg[/img]
as i said, i'd reccomend straighting out your feet, moving the floor tom next to your foot, moving the tomes slightly over the bass, and your ride lower next to your big rack tom
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5754171/tight.jpg[/img]
you might wanna get a boom stand to put your ride there, but i assume it's gonna work with your curretn mounting possibilities just fine. (if anything at least put the ride lower)
give it a shot i'd say
and for public opinion, disagree for the old setup, agree for the tighter setup
(PS: strafing and standing up are something called "hyperbolas" in this context, it's an exaggeration of the reality to give extra power to an argument)
All my stuff is nearly as tight as that, you are really exaggerating the distance, it really is less than you think. There is hardly any distance between any of my toms, my Ride I can't move, I don't have a proper stand for it.
i can't completly estimate the distances between them, but i can see that it is nowhere near that tight. just buy a single boomstand (reccomend gibraltar, of pearl 900 series, for best price/performance) and try a tight setup like i described, i used to play a way too big setup like that, but when i put everything close and lowered my cymbals it was like heaven
[QUOTE=BassB;24133364]especially if you're in a metal band you want a cutting ride with a nice seperated cutting bell. not something a crash would give you. there are several crash-able rides, but for your style you would usually have a pretty heavy ride with a good bell.
you'd best try some rides out that suit your style, and put the crash-ability second, go to a music store and try some out i'd say. but a big crash would give you way to much wash to cut trough, and the fairly intregated bell would not cut at all.
go to [URL="http://www.paiste.com"]www.paiste.com[/URL] you can hear loads of very accurate sound samples there![/QUOTE]
Ok, then I may get the 22 rock ride from the alpha series.. But people say the rides from the alpha series are pretty bad :/
i am personally partial to the old alpha series, i never really got into the new series, because i usually buy second hand.
i have a 20" dry ride, and i love it got it for like 70 dollars! be sure to check out second hand, you can get a 2002 ride for less than the price of a new alpha ride.
i also recommend looking for 505 cymbals second hand, they are close to 2002 only a little more machinally made, and loads cheaper (they're not in production anymore, buy they get sold)
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;24132582]I'd prefer to work on all of my four limbs at the same time. It's frustrating having one side really good and the other side terribly bad.[/QUOTE]
Start keeping time on your hi-hat pedal.
[QUOTE=lnfx;24143067]Start keeping time on your hi-hat pedal.[/QUOTE]
I do that. I meant doubles, technique, dynamics with my foot. Not just a simple time keeping.
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