• Drum Discussion Thread
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If you piss people off, they're idiots. You're spot on with that post.
Play in a band = Play for the music. Play a solo = Play for yourself, is what I always say.
[QUOTE=Thaard;24861182]Play in a band = Play for the music. Play a solo = Play for yourself, is what I always say.[/QUOTE] I literally can't stand playing alone, like I get so distracted and bored unless I'm jamming nowadays.
[QUOTE=Thaard;24861182]Play in a band = Play for the music. Play a solo = Play for yourself, is what I always say.[/QUOTE] It's fun to jam along to a song by myself.
Hell yeah I got moved up to snare. But fuck, football game tomorrow night and I learned the few sets we're doing and about half the music tonight.
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;24867870]It's fun to jam along to a song by myself.[/QUOTE] Yes. What I meant is that if you play in a band-situation, you should play to support the music and not your ego.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;24854709]I'm sorry, but this makes for the most annoying drummer ever. I don't care how soft you're hitting those drums. You are ALWAYS heard. If I can hear a single snare drummer or single bass drummer over 100 horn players playing fortissimo, I can hear a drummer beating away like hell at a drumset trying to get over a measily 100watt amp. And unless if you're playing an arena, a 100watt amp is suitable for any performance. Percussion is the EASIEST series of instruments to be heard on. You can be playing piano(dynamic term for softly) and be heard over a full ensemble playing fortissimo. And yes, the same thing works for a traditional rock band. And before anyone tries to say, "this isn't marching band, band nerd." The same thing applies, and I've played guitar in a band before. I know what I'm talking about. Drummers in rock bands are ALWAYS the ones playing too loud. It is a band, not a competition to be heard. You know that douche bag lead guitarist who always cranks his amp up waaaay to loud. Yeah, if a drummer isn't careful, they do the same thing. To be put simply. The most annoying drummer is a drummer who doesn't play within the ensemble. I'd rather have a shitty drummer in a band who can only play in the pocket than a show off any day, cause the first and foremost duty of a drummer is to work with the bass player and to maintain and drive the pulse of the tempo, then the fancy stuff is the second priority. Yeah, hope I didn't piss anyone off, but any good drummer will agree and know how to stay within the ensemble and then stand out when it is their time to shine. I'm not saying drumming should be boring, it should be the funnest instrument to be honest, but some people need to learn to control themselves, cause if you don't, you're only doing a disservice to your band mates.[/QUOTE] What I meant was that you shouldn't play ONLY softly. That you should practice all kinds of ways to play.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;24854709]Playing at one dynamic is a bad choice musically, period. It's just like eating steak every day for the rest of your life. Yeah, good at first, but it gets old. Dynamic [b]contrast[/b] is one of the keys to a good musical performance. [editline]11:00PM[/editline] I'm sorry, but this makes for the most annoying drummer ever. I don't care how soft you're hitting those drums. You are ALWAYS heard. If I can hear a single snare drummer or single bass drummer over 100 horn players playing fortissimo, I can hear a drummer beating away like hell at a drumset trying to get over a measily 100watt amp. And unless if you're playing an arena, a 100watt amp is suitable for any performance. Percussion is the EASIEST series of instruments to be heard on. You can be playing piano(dynamic term for softly) and be heard over a full ensemble playing fortissimo. And yes, the same thing works for a traditional rock band. And before anyone tries to say, "this isn't marching band, band nerd." The same thing applies, and I've played guitar in a band before. I know what I'm talking about. Drummers in rock bands are ALWAYS the ones playing too loud. It is a band, not a competition to be heard. You know that douche bag lead guitarist who always cranks his amp up waaaay to loud. Yeah, if a drummer isn't careful, they do the same thing. To be put simply. The most annoying drummer is a drummer who doesn't play within the ensemble. I'd rather have a shitty drummer in a band who can only play in the pocket than a show off any day, cause the first and foremost duty of a drummer is to work with the bass player and to maintain and drive the pulse of the tempo, then the fancy stuff is the second priority. Yeah, hope I didn't piss anyone off, but any good drummer will agree and know how to stay within the ensemble and then stand out when it is their time to shine. I'm not saying drumming should be boring, it should be the funnest instrument to be honest, but some people need to learn to control themselves, cause if you don't, you're only doing a disservice to your band mates.[/QUOTE] Have you ever considered the fact that drums cut through due to their sound properties? And playing loud =/= playing outside the ensemble. Guitars and other electric instruments in a rock band can easily make themselves loud enough to match the drummer. In a school rock program, I was never the loudest, no matter how hard I tried. Saying that drummers are loud because drums are loud is what the real disservice is.
Today after school I stayed after and got help from the marching band kids in tuning my kit. Holy. Shit. The drums they tuned sound wonderful. Now I have to bring in my other 3 toms to get tuned.
I've been working on my Rudiments. Fucking Swiss Army Triplets are bugging the hell out of me.
[QUOTE=stupid10er;24879155]Have you ever considered the fact that drums cut through due to their sound properties? And playing loud =/= playing outside the ensemble. Guitars and other electric instruments in a rock band can easily make themselves loud enough to match the drummer. In a school rock program, I was never the loudest, no matter how hard I tried. Saying that drummers are loud because drums are loud is what the real disservice is.[/QUOTE] The ability for an instrument to cut through the ensemble is different than an instrument playing OVER the ensemble. Ever think why you see Jazz Trombone but no Jazz Baritone? Trombones cut more. It is also why you see gold lacquer trumpets in Jazz more often than you see silver plate trumpets, the lacquer gives it a brighter sound allowing it to cut. And you are partially right, drums do cut, BUT that doesn't mean that drummers often play louder than the ensemble. You can hit the head harder on a drum than a trumpet player can blow or a guitar player can strum. It's just the nature of the beast. I am simply saying, there are a lot of drummers who get rambunctious and play outside the ensemble. If you were staying within the ensemble in your music program, thank you. Haha
Had my first "real" gig today with a miced up drum kit. Damn it was fucking fun, but the venue messed up and billed us wrong, so all our fans turned up... after we played! The people who were there seemed to enjoy us though. Great fun still, I love it when playing with your band just feels... right, everything clicks and knowing you're the backbone keeping it all together
Are there any Jon Karel fans in here? :3: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76cQipnReoM[/media] I wish I could've seen it, my favourite band playing with the drummer from one of my other favourite bands. :allears: Also, here's another video to show just how amazing he is. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeVG8qwaoZ8[/media]
[QUOTE=Funcoot;24903854]The ability for an instrument to cut through the ensemble is different than an instrument playing OVER the ensemble. Ever think why you see Jazz Trombone but no Jazz Baritone? Trombones cut more. It is also why you see gold lacquer trumpets in Jazz more often than you see silver plate trumpets, the lacquer gives it a brighter sound allowing it to cut. And you are partially right, drums do cut, BUT that doesn't mean that drummers often play louder than the ensemble. You can hit the head harder on a drum than a trumpet player can blow or a guitar player can strum. It's just the nature of the beast. I am simply saying, there are a lot of drummers who get rambunctious and play outside the ensemble. If you were staying within the ensemble in your music program, thank you. Haha[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure the reason why they use those is the sound, not necissarily how they cut through. Any instrument can be mic and tuned to match the sound of the drummer. If a drummer's main dynamic is loud, the instruments should match him. Making a drummer play out of his dynamic zone just messes things up if they don't have too much experience.
[QUOTE=stupid10er;24906593]I'm pretty sure the reason why they use those is the sound, not necissarily how they cut through. Any instrument can be mic and tuned to match the sound of the drummer. If a drummer's main dynamic is loud, the instruments should match him. Making a drummer play out of his dynamic zone just messes things up if they don't have too much experience.[/QUOTE] That's why people stress about learning how to play different dynamics. You need to be able to play softly on drums.
I got a new drum set! A PDP X7 maple. Comes with 5 toms and a excellent snare, a large bass drum. Combining it with my old kit. I also got a double pedal, so when I want uniform bass 16th notes the double pedal, when I want something to sound different, use the old pedal from my first drum kit. Tomorrow I need to tune it though.
Does anyone else break drumsticks like it's their fucking job or is it just me?
I've lost more sticks than I've broke.
I've had the one pair for 6 years.
wow. i'll take that as a no. Is there a certain brand or type of stick that lasts better to hard playing?
I'm not a great expert on sticks but I would assume harder sticks last longer. That and stop hitting the rim of the hi hats with your sticks. You don't need to hit the rim with the edge of the stick, you can hit it with the bead which works just as fine. I believe hickory is the hardest kind of wood there is. I just realized how nasty this post sounds.
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;24909106]That's why people stress about learning how to play different dynamics. You need to be able to play softly on drums.[/QUOTE] A good amount of drummers can do that. But like I said, the band's volume should match the drummer's set volume. If we were to put me against a 12 year old, and ask us to play piano together, then forte, they would sound different. Everyone's idea of soft and loud are different and it doesn't matter unless you're playing with a band where there is a leader(director, drum major, conducter, etc..)
Mine are Vic Firth. They're the most famous brand and all of their sticks are good quality. Another way to not break the sticks is to not hit as hard and dont hit the cymbals in a way that causes chips on the sticks.
[QUOTE=gerbile5;24910203]Does anyone else break drumsticks like it's their fucking job or is it just me?[/QUOTE] Stop beating the drums with all your might.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;24910352] You don't need to hit the rim with the edge of the stick, you can hit it with the bead which works just as fine. [/QUOTE] Well I just learned a fact there.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;24910352]I'm not a great expert on sticks but I would assume harder sticks last longer. That and stop hitting the rim of the hi hats with your sticks. You don't need to hit the rim with the edge of the stick, you can hit it with the bead which works just as fine. I believe hickory is the hardest kind of wood there is. I just realized how nasty this post sounds.[/QUOTE] What are you talking about I hit the edge of my hi-hat all the time and it sounds amazing and I have yet to break my sticks.
[QUOTE=stupid10er;24910568]What are you talking about I hit the edge of my hi-hat all the time and it sounds amazing and I have yet to break my sticks.[/QUOTE] It is a quicker way to break them. When you hit with the edge of your sticks you begin to chip them. Tomorrow I have to tune 13 drums... 10 of which have 6 lugs top and bottom. 3 of which have 8 lugs... I'm going to be busy tomorrow. [IMG]http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/darkrei9n/IMG00080-20100918-2300.jpg[/IMG] Picture of drumset finally set up. There is 160 plus lugs...
So many toms. I prefer cymbals.
I prefer toms, they're cheaper and because you can get more sounds of out of a cymbal (IN MY OPINION) I prefer more toms to cymbals.
My dream kit has at least 12 cymbals and 4 toms. I make better use of cymbals if I have more than 2.
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