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[QUOTE=darkrei9n;25121213]Marching Snare came today, holy crap this is old. This thing is so old that I don't even think they make the lugs for this anymore. Pictures of course. I can't play it due to lack of bottom head. [/QUOTE] Well shit, haha. That's old as hell! That's pretty cool though. If I had that I'd probably put it on a shelf or something instead of playing on it.
[QUOTE=bltsponge;25122000]Well shit, haha. That's old as hell! That's pretty cool though. If I had that I'd probably put it on a shelf or something instead of playing on it.[/QUOTE] I actually managed to fix it! Instead of getting the full 8 lugs, I took one off, spaced the other 6 as even as possible, it is now a 6 lug snare until I get all 8 lugs. I now need to find new snare wires for it however. The old ones are needless to say, dead. Reason I'm not putting it on a shelf is because than its just a waste of space and wood, a drum was meant to be played, not become dust on a shelf.
Got yourself a restoration project there.
i'd kill for a leedy snare, please restore it, sand it, clear laquer, all new lugs, new heads all around. please the snare deserves it! [editline]05:16PM[/editline] [QUOTE=gerbile5;25064918]It is tuned a bit tight. But it seems no matter how i tune it, loose or tight, or in between, it still does. I have a metal snare and an evans g1 coated head and I think a remo ambassador resonant.[/QUOTE] snares will always have overtones, it's what they do. especially with two single ply heads, g1 is comparable to an ambassador afaik (wich is always the best combo imo, nothing beats ambassador over ambassador snare). if you just want no tone but only a single tack, and then deadness, you're probably better of buying one of those vented snares, no body at all, no overtones, no projection.
I love this snare, the buzz? Minimal, even at lower settings. I fucking love this snare, I am going to restore it, get it back up to shape. [editline]11:58AM[/editline] [QUOTE=BassB;25130284] snares will always have overtones, it's what they do. especially with two single ply heads, g1 is comparable to an ambassador afaik (wich is always the best combo imo, nothing beats ambassador over ambassador snare). if you just want no tone but only a single tack, and then deadness, you're probably better of buying one of those vented snares, no body at all, no overtones, no projection.[/QUOTE] Actually, a heavier head will vibrate more, so if you mix and match a two ply with a single ply you're going to get more overtones. The reason the overtones get bad with mixed and matched ply heads is because its the equivalent of trying to stop a baseball at 30 miles per hour, and a car at 30 miles per hour. The car needs more time to stop, which is what you hear on a drum. The two ply head vibrating.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;25130932]I love this snare, the buzz? Minimal, even at lower settings. I fucking love this snare, I am going to restore it, get it back up to shape. [editline]11:58AM[/editline] Actually, a heavier head will vibrate more, so if you mix and match a two ply with a single ply you're going to get more overtones. The reason the overtones get bad with mixed and matched ply heads is because its the equivalent of trying to stop a baseball at 30 miles per hour, and a car at 30 miles per hour. The car needs more time to stop, which is what you hear on a drum. The two ply head vibrating.[/QUOTE] both of those heads are single ply, you don't have to get a double ply to get a heavier head, there are plenty of heavy single ply heads., you can match two of those heads perfectly, it doesn't really matter how hard they resonate, what matters is the tone they resonate at, if these are consonant, the drum will sound awesome. a heavier head will resonate faster, and therefore at a higher tone, but they also tend to be a lot drier, especially if choked, dampened or cranked, wich sounds like what the guy wants. as dry as possible. and good luck on that snare drum, it looks like a fun project!
What I find funny, is that the snare wires, actually still work. If I we're to replace them though, I don't think anyone makes snare wires like these anymore. I'm actually thinking of going to the music store that does instrument repairs, they might be able to fix it up for me.
[QUOTE=Thaard;25117008]Actually, you can buy bassdrum reso's with pre-cut holes for better microphone placement. I think both Evans and Remo makes these.[/QUOTE] That's actually next on my list to get for my kit.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;25132239]What I find funny, is that the snare wires, actually still work. If I we're to replace them though, I don't think anyone makes snare wires like these anymore. I'm actually thinking of going to the music store that does instrument repairs, they might be able to fix it up for me.[/QUOTE] they're probably old streched and dead, it looks like guitar or bass snares would work, but honestly, i'd fix it up with a nice modern strainer, it would make it worth the extra holes. don't give up on a fun project like this! if you fix it up yourself you'll always have a piece of you with it!
[QUOTE=BassB;25136378]they're probably old streched and dead, it looks like guitar or bass snares would work, but honestly, i'd fix it up with a nice modern strainer, it would make it worth the extra holes. don't give up on a fun project like this! if you fix it up yourself you'll always have a piece of you with it![/QUOTE] There are no extra holes in this, all the holes we're originally there when it was made. Just some parts fell off. I'll probably get some snare wires that use the string at the end, the ones that use a plastic strip won't work so well with this. The snare strainer is so old that the way the snare wires are held in place are you tie a knot at the end of one, and you run it through these drilled holes in a piece of metal, you have to do it individually for each one.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;25136773]There are no extra holes in this, all the holes we're originally there when it was made. Just some parts fell off. I'll probably get some snare wires that use the string at the end, the ones that use a plastic strip won't work so well with this. The snare strainer is so old that the way the snare wires are held in place are you tie a knot at the end of one, and you run it through these drilled holes in a piece of metal, you have to do it individually for each one.[/QUOTE] i meanth making extra holes for a modern strainer, because it won't fit in the current ones would be worth it, because setting up snares like this is a bitch, since you'd have to get them all at the same tension, while a regulare snare mat has that already.
[QUOTE=BassB;25151555]i meanth making extra holes for a modern strainer, because it won't fit in the current ones would be worth it, because setting up snares like this is a bitch, since you'd have to get them all at the same tension, while a regulare snare mat has that already.[/QUOTE] I'm actually not sure I want to replace the snare strainer. I love the sound of these wires, its a sort of dry sound, not like the regular snares which give a sort of warmish sound. Combined with how for some reason this drum is deeper sounding than a normal snare it sounds really wonderful.
I found this awesome finnish drummer. He's only 16 years old and doing a lot of demanding drum covers like Nile and Behemoth. Here's an example: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JermancFAbQ[/media] Incredible. He also plays the guitar and has made a couple solo project songs.
I'm working on my double bass, I can so far play a slightly passable intro to Panic Attack by Dream Theater. Working on tightening it up. The main issue is keeping up the double bass, my left foot refuses to cooperate. Also need to listen to the intro more, can't figure out whether its constant 16ths on the bass drum for the opening or 16ths between cymbal plus snare hits.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;25250342]I'm working on my double bass, I can so far play a slightly passable intro to Panic Attack by Dream Theater. Working on tightening it up. The main issue is keeping up the double bass, my left foot refuses to cooperate. Also need to listen to the intro more, can't figure out whether its constant 16ths on the bass drum for the opening or 16ths between cymbal plus snare hits.[/QUOTE] 16/32nds in-between
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;25250342]I'm working on my double bass, I can so far play a slightly passable intro to Panic Attack by Dream Theater. Working on tightening it up. The main issue is keeping up the double bass, my left foot refuses to cooperate. Also need to listen to the intro more, can't figure out whether its constant 16ths on the bass drum for the opening or 16ths between cymbal plus snare hits.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbEtsECnu_M[/media] this should help you for other parts.
Oh wow my schools wind ensemble auditions were such bullshit. Kid plays it perfectly first time. Kid who had to retry it twice gets the part. Part was for snare. In other news I can finally keep up sixteenth notes on my double bass.
Had tryouts with my towns local blues-band today. Seems like I got the job!
[QUOTE=Thaard;25297422]Had tryouts with my towns local blues-band today. Seems like I got the job![/QUOTE] Kickass! blues, next to stoner rock, is my favorite genre to play drums to. Our band is looking for a vocalist with a Cash-esque voice... It's not happening.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;25297492]Kickass! blues, next to stoner rock, is my favorite genre to play drums to. Our band is looking for a vocalist with a Cash-esque voice... It's not happening.[/QUOTE] Yea, now I got a blues-band and a jazz/funk band. Nice to change around a bit. The "tryout" was 3 hours, so I'm pretty tired. Learned 3 songs and jammed for a long time. Was fun!
I need to find a band, I was actually hoping to get into Wind Ensemble for my school but I completely bombed the mallets and timpani part. I had to repeat the snare part 3 times. What really pissed me off though is that the person playing snare is also the person playing Center Snare in Marching Band. Which annoys me because he already has a snare part, its not exactly fair to the percussion class to have the guy who has to spend at least 14 hours a WEEK practicing playing on a snare to be allowed to get into not only Marching Band but Wind Ensemble. Also, the fact that we did it where everyone could watch and just learn it by ear instead of sight reading it like you were supposed to was really funny.
[QUOTE=Irma;25243296]I found this awesome finnish drummer. He's only 16 years old and doing a lot of demanding drum covers like Nile and Behemoth. Here's an example: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JermancFAbQ[/media] Incredible. He also plays the guitar and has made a couple solo project songs.[/QUOTE] Shit, that guy's probably been drumming since he was 5 or something..., only way you'll ever get that good. either that or do like george kollias and practise for 9 straight hours until you pass out :v:
How would you guys rate Metallica's Disposable heros and master of puppets on a scale of one to ten on drum difficulty? 1 being easy, 10 being hard.
[QUOTE=gerbile5;25310441]How would you guys rate Metallica's Disposable heros and master of puppets on a scale of one to ten on drum difficulty? 1 being easy, 10 being hard.[/QUOTE] It depends, do you have the endurance to keep up eight notes at what Master of Puppets is at? And play on bass pedal accurately? I would rate Master of Puppets about a 7, its not the hardest song in the world if you have the endurance and know the correct techniques. Disposable Heros I need to listen to.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;25310485][B]It depends, do you have the endurance to keep up eight notes at what Master of Puppets is at?[/B] And play on bass pedal accurately? I would rate Master of Puppets about a 7, its not the hardest song in the world if you have the endurance and know the correct techniques. Disposable Heros I need to listen to.[/QUOTE] If I just sit down after not playing for a while I can't, but after I warm up I can. I can easily do the bass except for the double bass parts.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;25298878]Which annoys me because he already has a snare part, its not exactly fair to the percussion class to have the guy who has to spend at least 14 hours a WEEK practicing playing on a snare to be allowed to get into not only Marching Band but Wind Ensemble. [/QUOTE] If he's practicing that much, then that means he's good enough for the part. I don't know why you think fairness is more important then skill. Step up your game.
[QUOTE=mfb412;25300072]Shit, that guy's probably been drumming since he was 5 or something..., only way you'll ever get that good. either that or do like george kollias and practise for 9 straight hours until you pass out :v:[/QUOTE] Well he has played drums since 2001. He has probably played like 8 hours a day. No way you could get that good otherwise. My damn cymbals haven't come yet. It's not that fun to play a drum set with only a crash and a splash... :(
I started transcribing drum music to kill time.. It's kinda fun actually, although anything uncommon takes far too much effort. :buddy: First finished one is Rock & Roll Band [url]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11327752/Rock%20and%20Roll%20Band.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=stupid10er;25310719]If he's practicing that much, then that means he's good enough for the part. I don't know why you think fairness is more important then skill. Step up your game.[/QUOTE] You don't understand, he has to, during the practices for Marching Band that's what he plays. Which at times we can have up to over 20 hours a week. Which basically means he has a minimum per week. It really honestly annoys me that Marching Band people are the only people who got into Wind Ensemble. Its not exactly fair to other people in the classes. They might as well say, marching band people only.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;25315509]You don't understand, he has to, during the practices for Marching Band that's what he plays. Which at times we can have up to over 20 hours a week. Which basically means he has a minimum per week. It really honestly annoys me that Marching Band people are the only people who got into Wind Ensemble. Its not exactly fair to other people in the classes. They might as well say, marching band people only.[/QUOTE] Since when have auditions been about fairness? Put yourself in the director's place. Would you pick a less experienced, less qualified person for a part because the other person has an "unfair" advantage? Concert snare and marching snare are completely different, by the way. The techniques used for each are almost exact opposites.
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