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[QUOTE=bltsponge;26259092]Push-Pull technique is crazy weird. I've got it down in my right hand, but I can't do it that fast yet.[/QUOTE] Never heard of push pull.
It's basically, like a one handed roll (gravity blast, or what ever you want to call it) without the rim. Think moeller, but super condensed to the point where you're applying the technique just to the fingers. I don't know about where it's used in a song, but here are a few videos showing it. Jojo Mayer doing it on set: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXgSkYsM-d4[/media] SCV Drumline (starts around 1:40 in the video). [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WBtqj3P2Zc[/media]
I broke my high tom skin today :buddy:
[QUOTE=bltsponge;26272190]It's basically, like a one handed roll (gravity blast, or what ever you want to call it) without the rim. Think moeller, but super condensed to the point where you're applying the technique just to the fingers. I don't know about where it's used in a song, but here are a few videos showing it. Jojo Mayer doing it on set: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXgSkYsM-d4[/media] SCV Drumline (starts around 1:40 in the video). [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WBtqj3P2Zc[/media][/QUOTE] I've practiced a lot of push pull myself, but it's hard to keep the strokes even and with volume. You can learn all about it on Jojo's dvd. He even has developed a solo using it almost exclusively. Link: [url]http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/jojomayersolo.html[/url] Pretty insane that he can pull it off on so long stretches almost without flamming
One of my mates plays drums at a church, but some asshole broke in and destroyed his kit and went nuts with a fire extinguisher so he's on the hunt for a new kit. Are there any suggestions for a new kit? He doesn't want to go over 3 grand with the church assisting him in funds. [editline]25th November 2010[/editline] Oh, and the kit that stopped working was a Yamaha DTXpress IV which is an electric kit.
He has 3 grand for a kit? Get something really good, like a Pearl Masters kit. Than some good cymbals from Sabian or Zildjian.
Just a few screwed up timings off being able to play dyers eve (no double bass) yay.
[url]http://www.guitarcenter.com/Sabian-Sabian-B8-Cymbal-Super-Set-104390539-i1386078.gc[/url] Getting those soon, anyone have any experience with them?
I haven't personally used sabians, but I know a person who plays and he has been through a bit of cymbals of varying brands, types and sounds. He told me that if I wanted a durable cymbal set without breaking the bank that sabian was a pretty good set, but that you could possibly sacrifice a bit of quality of sound in place of durability.
I'm going to give you advice from the deepest part of my heart, the part that realized the difference between B8s and B20s. Or in simpler terms, the difference between beginner cymbals, and intermediate cymbals. First off, when you get drums, you shouldn't go cheap. When you think you sound like crap, it kills your motivation to practice. People typically try not to go cheap on drum sets, its a waste of money especially if you expand later onto a Pearl or Ludwig kit. Its the same for cymbals except for one little fact. Don't ever ever ever ever get ZBTs, or Sabian B8s, or any B8 cymbal unless you know you want that sound out of a cymbal. When going from say, Pearl or stock cymbals to B8s they sound wonderful, going from B8s to B20s you realize holy shit, you should save your money and skip B8s, start out with some simple cheaper B20s. B20 and B8 are a type of formula used for cymbals if your wondering. Basically the metal content of a cymbal.
So I decided to do a drum cover on my horrible beginner kit, anyone care to give me any pointers? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82aAQcFZhz4[/media]
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;26325839]Words from the deepest part of his heart and what not[/QUOTE] What if your like me and can't pay more than 300 for a cymbal set what would you reccomend? Like I look at this b8 set, [url]http://drums-percussion.musiciansfriend.com/product/Sabian-B8-Performance-Cymbal-Pack-with-Free-18-Crash?sku=448969[/url], and it has to sound better than a cracked ZBT crash\ride and a cracked ZBT high hat right? I like the sound of them (the damaged ZBTs) so wouldn't these not be a bad buy for me?
[QUOTE=Dandyhighwayman;26329192]So I decided to do a drum cover on my horrible beginner kit, anyone care to give me any pointers? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82aAQcFZhz4[/media][/QUOTE] If that's a crash/ride you're using, when crashing it, try hitting the shaft of the stick against the edge of the cymbal on the back. It gives a great crash and keeps you from smacking a cymbal harder to try and get a crash. [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=gerbile5;26331057]What if your like me and can't pay more than 300 for a cymbal set what would you reccomend? Like I look at this b8 set, [url]http://drums-percussion.musiciansfriend.com/product/Sabian-B8-Performance-Cymbal-Pack-with-Free-18-Crash?sku=448969[/url], and it has to sound better than a cracked ZBT crash\ride and a cracked ZBT high hat right? I like the sound of them (the damaged ZBTs) so wouldn't these not be a bad buy for me?[/QUOTE] Save your money. Save up a dollar a day and in a year you have enough for a nice pair of B20 hats.
Heh a year. I'm gonna need a new high hat set and a new crash by the end of next month. I'm actually gonna ask my instructor what he recc. for cymbals.
Hey guys, I just wanted to say that my jazz-funk bands demo-recordings are done. Hope you like them. Link: [url]http://www.myspace.com/556905457[/url]
Does anyone have experience with Aquarian Super-2's? I plan on reheading my kit with them and Classic Clears on the reso.
[QUOTE=wiirluvenit;26423043]Does anyone have experience with Aquarian Super-2's? I plan on reheading my kit with them and Classic Clears on the reso.[/QUOTE] excellent heads, but they are pricy, in my opinion too pricy to be picked over the emperor over ambassador combo. Aquarian super-2 over Classic Clear is a great combo, Remo Emperor over Ambassador is more convenient and probably just as good. the super-2's are going to give you a great punch witouth losing too much tone, they're going to sound close to the Evans Hydraulics if i'm not mistaking, although i think those are just a tat thicker and muddier, the super-2's will have a superior tuning range, and excelent versatility.
So my mom is going to buy me a double bass pedal for my birthday. What are some good songs to practice building up speed on? [editline]2nd December 2010[/editline] Or what are some exercises that I can use to practice.
[QUOTE=gerbile5;26438728]So my mom is going to buy me a double bass pedal for my birthday. What are some good songs to practice building up speed on? [editline]2nd December 2010[/editline] Or what are some exercises that I can use to practice.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF3wagWwHjM[/media] THAT. Lol seriously though I'm gonna guess some Iron Maiden, maybe some Metallica/Megadeth songs, stuff like that. Also, try adding double kicks into some classic rock songs, like Nick Mason does at the end of live versions of Comfortably Numb.
[QUOTE=SolidSnake52;26439292][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF3wagWwHjM[/media] THAT. Also, try adding double kicks into some classic rock songs, like Nick Mason does at the end of live versions of Comfortably Numb.[/QUOTE] That song is fucking awesome. One of my favorites from Borgir. 3:44 - 3:56 THE SPEED IS MELTING MY MIND! Also a good double pedal speed practice is this: [img]http://www.howtoplaydrums.com/double-bass/images/double-bass-sheet.jpg[/img] It's really simple and really helps build up speed. Well, atleast for me it does.
So I just went full Beatnik-mode on my Bongos for the first time in ages, I feel like I've gone native again. Can't beat it.
[QUOTE=Irma;26449447]That song is fucking awesome. One of my favorites from Borgir. 3:44 - 3:56 THE SPEED IS MELTING MY MIND! Also a good double pedal speed practice is this: [img_thumb]http://www.howtoplaydrums.com/double-bass/images/double-bass-sheet.jpg[/img_thumb] It's really simple and really helps build up speed. Well, atleast for me it does.[/QUOTE] Can you maybe label or tell me what that means? I haven't started learning how to read music more than extremely simple things.
[QUOTE=Irma;26449447]That song is fucking awesome. One of my favorites from Borgir. 3:44 - 3:56 THE SPEED IS MELTING MY MIND! Also a good double pedal speed practice is this: [img_thumb]http://www.howtoplaydrums.com/double-bass/images/double-bass-sheet.jpg[/img_thumb] It's really simple and really helps build up speed. Well, atleast for me it does.[/QUOTE] Um. According to that he should be playing double bass on two separate drums... tuned to two different pitches... [editline]2nd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=gerbile5;26449995]Can you maybe label or tell me what that means? I haven't started learning how to read music more than extremely simple things.[/QUOTE] The ones on the bottom are bass pedal in 16ths, they are constant sixteenths, the Xs are either ride or hi hat. I'm not exactly sure at this moment. I think hi hats one line higher though. The hihat/ride is on the eight notes.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;26452905]Um. According to that he should be playing double bass on two separate drums... tuned to two different pitches...[/QUOTE] Sometimes written like that to show which foot to use. Left is top, right is bottom. Good for working on co-ordination exercises or independence.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;26452905]Um. According to that he should be playing double bass on two separate drums... tuned to two different pitches... [editline]2nd December 2010[/editline] The ones on the bottom are bass pedal in 16ths, they are constant sixteenths, the Xs are either ride or hi hat. I'm not exactly sure at this moment. I think hi hats one line higher though. The hihat/ride is on the eight notes.[/QUOTE] Oh so is it like a standard rock beat with double bass 16th's? And also I tried out the pedal while I was playing drums with the instructor tonight. I have no idea where it came from, but I lost it and went absolutely insane and went to a pretty high speed on the double bass. The instructor was pretty amazed I had never touched a double pedal before so I guess I already have it in me.
[QUOTE=gerbile5;26456377]Oh so is it like a standard rock beat with double bass 16th's? And also I tried out the pedal while I was playing drums with the instructor tonight. I have no idea where it came from, but I lost it and went absolutely insane and went to a pretty high speed on the double bass. The instructor was pretty amazed I had never touched a double pedal before so I guess I already have it in me.[/QUOTE] Anyone can do quick bursts of speed, its keeping that going consistently and being able to do it on command that's the hard part. Also getting both feet up to the same volume is useful, although its easier when using heel up methods.
When you are able to do rudiments with your feet, 180bpm for 5minutes without straining yourself, and complicated sticking patterns while keeping that 180bpm, you are proficient at double bass.
Eventually you'll begin getting so fast that you just give a light tap with each foot and it takes very little energy.
This is proficient double bass. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUs1_OKQRwI[/media]
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;26457330]This is proficient double bass. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUs1_OKQRwI[/media][/QUOTE] I guess I never plan to be proficient then.
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