• Drum Discussion Thread
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[QUOTE=BassB;28211699]'roddy can play jazz, but nowhere near a good jazz drummer, personally i couldn't ever get into his stuff, he's got no groove. mangini's got the groove but at some point in anything he plays its just him playing really fast witouth it sounding really good at all.[/QUOTE] yea, that's true. They got very good technique, but their playing is really stiff and not so much swinging as it should.
[QUOTE=BassB;28193447]oh u guys and your "fast" drummers [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1ZBpDtvnE8[/media] now that is a drummer by god he's awesome[/QUOTE] Even though Kai has been seen in many metal bands recently, he's got a huge jazz background as well. So he isn't ONLY fast. :smile: Lots of jazz experience + lots of metal/death metal experience = Awesome drummer... Here's some jazz clip of him (just trying out his new set, so not really a perfomance.): [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3naB-LGhmQ[/media] Check out his other stuff from youtube too!
with all due respect, it has no feel. like thaard said before that wasn't really creative at all i can see as death metal drummer he became used to playing the same thing over and over. i'm not sayingt he talent isn't there, but the feel definatly isn't.
[QUOTE=BassB;28215837]with all due respect, it has no feel. like thaard said before that wasn't really creative at all i can see as death metal drummer he became used to playing the same thing over and over. i'm not sayingt he talent isn't there, but the feel definatly isn't.[/QUOTE] Yeah. Well there isn't really any good videos of him actually playing jazz in a band or something. You have to see it yourself to realize how talented he is. He actually held a drum clinic a few weeks back where he played lots of jazz stuff. Mind = Blown. He's actually releasing a DVD later this year, so maybe then we get some better videos of him. :smile:
[QUOTE=Irma;28228890]Yeah. Well there isn't really any good videos of him actually playing jazz in a band or something. You have to see it yourself to realize how talented he is. He actually held a drum clinic a few weeks back where he played lots of jazz stuff. Mind = Blown. He's actually releasing a DVD later this year, so maybe then we get some better videos of him. :smile:[/QUOTE] why is it that anyone i ever talk to about drums that likes a really heavy drummer instantly sends me mediocre videos of them playing jazz. i barely think they'll qualify as a great jazz drummer if they basically dedicated their life to playing another genre. mind you i love jazz but it shouldn't be considered a stamp of superiority. I don't like Kai Hahto's drumming it's just really fast, monotonous and repetetive, i bet it's hart to do the stuff he does, but so is licking your own elbow. i don't judge you for liking it, au contraire, you should find an idol for yourself, but i think that at some point you'll realise there are far more talented drummers out there.
[QUOTE=BassB;28231606]why is it that anyone i ever talk to about drums that likes a really heavy drummer instantly sends me mediocre videos of them playing jazz. i barely think they'll qualify as a great jazz drummer if they basically dedicated their life to playing another genre. mind you i love jazz but it shouldn't be considered a stamp of superiority. I don't like Kai Hahto's drumming it's just really fast, monotonous and repetetive, i bet it's hart to do the stuff he does, but so is licking your own elbow. i don't judge you for liking it, au contraire, you should find an idol for yourself, but i think that at some point you'll realise there are far more talented drummers out there.[/QUOTE] I have never thought that Kai was the best drummer in the world. Of course there are many better drummers. I just think that you underestimate Kai. He has much more experience in jazz and all kinds of music than you would think. It's just that he is famous from his metal stuff only. I don't think he is no where near the best jazz drummer, but you cant say that he isn't talented in jazz music. But I am pretty certain that he is the best drummer in Finland. (Well if not the best, at least very near.)
Am I the only one who finds jazz drummers annoying as hell? Most of the jazz drummers at my school that I've met have the attitude that "OH JAZZ IS THE ULTIMATE GENRE" and it is annoying as fuck. I've had one jazz drummer (before a jazz band rehearsal when we're just messing around) tell me no more double bass.
if you're going to play jazz wouldn't you want to... not use double bass? makes sense to me. of course there are arrogant jazz drummers, just as much as arrogant death metal drummers, and arrogant funk drummers, and arrogant rock drummers, and so on.
[QUOTE=BassB;28237050]if you're going to play jazz wouldn't you want to... not use double bass? makes sense to me. of course there are arrogant jazz drummers, just as much as arrogant death metal drummers, and arrogant funk drummers, and arrogant rock drummers, and so on.[/QUOTE] Rehearsal didn't start for like another hour and a half.
my instructor plays a bit of jazz and what not and he incorporates the double pedal into it. sort of like the van halen style, not the straight through doubles like lars used to do
of course some could, but i barely think darkrei9n could, because he's mainly a snare player isn't he?
[QUOTE=BassB;28237625]of course some could, but i barely think darkrei9n could, because he's mainly a snare player isn't he?[/QUOTE] I don't separate my drumset from snare playing. I have and will probably continue to play fills on my drumset that originated from some hybrid rudiments I learned for marching snare. Also, it depends on what I'm playing. I don't usually go straight double bass, I prefer to use my right foot straight if I'm doing something like 16th notes on double bass, 8ths on the hihat if I can keep up the bass. I use double bass only when I cannot do it on a single pedal and usually its stuff I doubt even Bonham could do on a single pedal.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;28236925]Am I the only one who finds jazz drummers annoying as hell? Most of the jazz drummers at my school that I've met have the attitude that "OH JAZZ IS THE ULTIMATE GENRE" and it is annoying as fuck. I've had one jazz drummer (before a jazz band rehearsal when we're just messing around) tell me no more double bass.[/QUOTE] The ones you're talking to are jazz-snobs who are insecure about themselves, and have to talk smack about others to feel better about themselves. There are those in all other music-genres too, and that span over all instruments. Metal-snobs who only listen to 300 bpm double-bass one-handed roll drumming and say that Derek Roddy and George Kollias own everyone. And then you have prog-snobs who think Portnoy and Peart are the best ever. And you can use double-bass in jazz, if you use it musically and to provide groove and swing, without blasting through.. Edit: Ahh, damnit Bassb, you've already said this :P
:ninja: always happy to help Thaard
I thought double pedal started in jazz
i doubt it, i've seen some jazz drummers use their sticks on bassdrum, to effectively simulate double pedals. but generally jazz drummer would use their hi-hats, a lot. [editline]23rd February 2011[/editline] nope i'm wrong, wikipedia agrees with you. darkrei9n you should tell that guy about this.
Even though many of you don't like death metal, you have to admit that jazz style music and death metal are the hardest genres to play with drums. Death metal because of the incredible speeds and jazz because of the incredibly complicated stuff (and also speed).
double pedal in jazz isn't a bad thing if used in fills or small solos.
[QUOTE=Irma;28241774]Even though many of you don't like death metal, you have to admit that jazz style music and death metal are the hardest genres to play with drums. Death metal because of the incredible speeds and jazz because of the incredibly complicated stuff (and also speed).[/QUOTE] bullshit. no genre is the hardest it's how you play it.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRyl_p1z9Nw[/media] the entirety of this album drumming is just... wow richard christy is fucking amazing
I just thought of a awesome beat, sadly I cannot play it. Play a basic rock beat on hi hat and snare but eight note triplets on double bass. That technically is a polyrhythm right?
like van halen's hot for teacher?
[IMG]http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/darkrei9n/HORRIBLE.png[/IMG] Its in 3/4, I meant to do 2/4 but I put 3 triplets in and was to lazy to erase. This is how it would be written out in drum notation. Yes I used paint to do this. As you can see my paint skills lack. I hope it is still readable for those who can read sheet music.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;28249190][img_thumb]http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/darkrei9n/HORRIBLE.png[/img_thumb] Its in 3/4, I meant to do 2/4 but I put 3 triplets in and was to lazy to erase. This is how it would be written out in drum notation. Yes I used paint to do this. As you can see my paint skills lack. I hope it is still readable for those who can read sheet music.[/QUOTE] If you mean like this: [img]http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5947/drumnotesfp.png[/img] Shouldn't really be hard to play at all. That is if you really mean it like this.
Nope, eight notes on the hat and triplets on the bass pedal, or double bass if you can't do it on one pedal. Some people might find it easier to play on a single bass pedal.
Ah shiet.. I need to find a new drum-room/studio. The nice people I've been playing at, are going to refurbish the space I use and make it into an apartment, so I have to move my kit and mic's.. Now, to find some space where I can play drums as loud as I want + add padding to the walls for improved acoustics.
if that happened to me i would be devastated. good thing i play in the storage room at my grandmothers house. no hope of that being refurbished [editline]24th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=T-Bag-T;28240740]I thought double pedal started in jazz[/QUOTE] it did
i started metronome doing basic rudiments on my practice pad to help with TIMINGZ aslo DICKS [IMG]http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo225/gerbile3/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0032.jpg[/IMG] if i can get my racks sounding good i am gonna buy the 3 piece (2 tom and a stand) addon for my kit. i have emporors on top but ambassadors on bottom and it gives a terrible doy-ying type sound. what bottoms do you guys RECOMMEND FOR A GOOD SOUND KIT?
[QUOTE=gerbile5;28268871]i started metronome doing basic rudiments on my practice pad to help with TIMINGZ aslo DICKS [img_thumb]http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo225/gerbile3/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0032.jpg[/img_thumb] if i can get my racks sounding good i am gonna buy the 3 piece (2 tom and a stand) addon for my kit. i have emporors on top but ambassadors on bottom and it gives a terrible doy-ying type sound. what bottoms do you guys RECOMMEND FOR A GOOD SOUND KIT?[/QUOTE] I recommend you have a friend hit it while you're standing a good bit away. You may hear the drums resonating like a bass marimba but 30 feet away those drums may sound like a orgasm.
well its just actually the rack toms. the bass sounds like sex, and so does the floor. well actually i guess what you say is true for all the drums I WILL TRY IT
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