My first was used for $400. It was pretty good. I had to do a lot of looking though.
how about this?
[url]http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/msg/2249311305.html[/url]
first thing I saw when I looked on Craigslist. looks a bit incomplete, but it's really quite cheap. which also puts me on guard.
[URL]http://backstage.musiciansfriend.com/Drums-Percussion/Acoustic-Drums/Acoustic-Drum-Sets/Shell-Packs/Forum-FZH725P-5-Piece-Shell-Pack.site1prod720152.product[/URL]
I've played on a forum kit before, sounds wonderful. And you get Pearl's excellent service.
To be honest, never heard of TKO. So frankly, I don't trust them. You can get them to sound nice, but Pearl has a lifetime warranty for hardware. I have a friend who has his forum series drums sounding like my intermediate level PDP kit.
[url]http://www.vintagedrum.com/item/TKO-424-Complete-Beginner-Drum-Set-with-Cymbals-Seat-Hardware[/url]
is this a good deal? with shipping it comes out to about $350.
[editline]5th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;28444494][url]http://backstage.musiciansfriend.com/Drums-Percussion/Acoustic-Drums/Acoustic-Drum-Sets/Shell-Packs/Forum-FZH725P-5-Piece-Shell-Pack.site1prod720152.product[/url]
I've played on a forum kit before, sounds wonderful. And you get Pearl's excellent service.[/QUOTE]
looks a bit more legitimate and you've recommended it. I'll probably get this but I would like as many opinions as possible.
[QUOTE=BassB;28437943]
if you put cotton balls in your drums to deaden them you probably shouldn't ask us how they are tunes because they're gonna sound dull, dead and boring, no matter what tuning.[/QUOTE]
what do you mean? they dont sound dead and dull to me. when i compare them to kits like lars has and phil rudd has, they sound relatively similar in terms of decay and attack. the cotton balls are simply to get rid of overtones. i dont understand how its dull when other people have made millions using a similar type of sound that i have. i dont want my kit to overtone to shit, which happens when i dont use some sort of dampening (because of the resonants i use)
[QUOTE=gerbile5;28446405]what do you mean? they dont sound dead and dull to me. when i compare them to kits like lars has and phil rudd has, they sound relatively similar in terms of decay and attack. the cotton balls are simply to get rid of overtones. i dont understand how its dull when other people have made millions using a similar type of sound that i have. i dont want my kit to overtone to shit, which happens when i dont use some sort of dampening (because of the resonants i use)[/QUOTE]
There is a huge difference between resonating and overtones. However new drummers sometimes have a issue telling the difference. I'm not trying to insult you, but drums are meant to resonate. That is why they are circles instead of squares. Why you have a resonant head. What you hear on the album is the sound engineer recording the drum and than cutting off any resonating or messing with the audio track to get what he wants.
got a video maybe showing and explaining the difference?
I can try and explain. When you hit the drums, the first thing you hear are the overtones, these typically decay quickly and are seemingly random pitches, believe it or not they are hard to hear past 10 feet. They are honestly not that bad. Overtones are something you typically learn to ignore as a drummer while you learn to tune. Resonating, is when the drum is slowly fading away, sometimes there is a pitch bend sometimes there isn't it keeps going. But this DOES matter. You resonant heads play the BIGGEST difference in what someone hears. At 15 feet away this is what the crowd hears, however it sounds more like say, Lar Ulrich's drumset. The easiest way to tell what your drumset sounds like at a distance is go into another room of the house or step outside, and have someone hit your drums. The walls typically cancel out most of the overtones and resonating drums you hear.
overtones are part of the drum, when a drum is tuned correctly overtones will have the same pitch as the base tone, giving you an incredibly rich sound. there are multiple ways to do this, you could go for the reso and batter at exactly the same tension, but you can also experiment with having one of them tighter or looser, I myself tend to tune the reso slightly higher.
I used to mute my drums with those studio rings, but then i bought new heads and tried to tune them for hours, finally the drums sounded fucking incredible, it's so worth it!
it's just like 12 stringed guitars, they will have, for example, an A string, paired up with an A string that is an octave higher.
i don't know whats with this hate for overtones, why do all drums have to sound dead? also ulrich's drums are pretty dead, but not nearly as dead as yours. and Rudd... we'll he's a really boring drummer isn't he, not exactly a role model, he's one of the drummer that made me pick up drumming but not someone i'd live to right now.
in short, the two heads of your drums have to be tuned in exact harmony, overtones will enrich your sound.
[QUOTE=BassB;28471965]overtones are part of the drum, when a drum is tuned correctly overtones will have the same pitch as the base tone, giving you an incredibly rich sound. there are multiple ways to do this, you could go for the reso and batter at exactly the same tension, but you can also experiment with having one of them tighter or looser, I myself tend to tune the reso slightly higher.
I used to mute my drums with those studio rings, but then i bought new heads and tried to tune them for hours, finally the drums sounded fucking incredible, it's so worth it!
it's just like 12 stringed guitars, they will have, for example, an A string, paired up with an A string that is an octave higher.
i don't know whats with this hate for overtones, why do all drums have to sound dead? also ulrich's drums are pretty dead, but not nearly as dead as yours. and Rudd... we'll he's a really boring drummer isn't he, not exactly a role model, he's one of the drummer that made me pick up drumming but not someone i'd live to right now.
in short, the two heads of your drums have to be tuned in exact harmony, overtones will enrich your sound.[/QUOTE]
You can also tune reso and batter exactly the same, and get a really booming tom-sound. Jojo Mayer does this.
[quote=bassb;28471965]there are multiple ways to do this, you could go for the reso and batter at exactly the same tension,[/quote]
:smile:
[QUOTE=BassB;28472231]:smile:[/QUOTE]
Damnit!
[QUOTE=BassB;28471965]also ulrich's drums are pretty dead, but not nearly as dead as yours. and Rudd... we'll he's a really boring drummer isn't he, not exactly a role model, he's one of the drummer that made me pick up drumming but not someone i'd live to right now.
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just two who im familiar with
[editline]7th March 2011[/editline]
Just ordered an emperor underside for my snare. trying to try new things as i go along to find a sound i like best
emperor reso?
you should not, and i repeat NOT put a double layered head on a snare reso
[QUOTE=BassB;28490429]emperor reso?
you should not, and i repeat NOT put a double layered head on a snare reso[/QUOTE]
For snare, I likte to play it safe with Coated ambassador batter and clear ambassador reso. Works fine for my aluminum snare.
Emperor heads are good for tom batters, but Ambassador is what you should use for resos.
i can't agree more with you thaard, ambassador coated over ambassador snareside is just the best go-to choice for snare heads.
but an emperor on a snare reso, i don't think i've seen anyone make that mistake before. like cardfan says they're great tom batters, but not reso's and especially not snare ress's
My last solo in the old studio/practice space. Snare-kick-hihat-ride-crash only, which was more difficult than I'd imagined at first. Now to find a new one!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yauiL2MBblU[/media]
[QUOTE=BassB;28490429]emperor reso?
you should not, and i repeat NOT put a double layered head on a snare reso[/QUOTE]
i know, but, im trying many products out to try to find a sound i like best... (aka everytime i break heads i give something new a try)
in that case, buying an emperor reso is a WASTE OF MONEY
and i wouldn't know how you'd break a snareside reso, especially a tough one like the emperor.
[editline]8th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Thaard;28492933]My last solo in the old studio/practice space. Snare-kick-hihat-ride-crash only, which was more difficult than I'd imagined at first. Now to find a new one!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yauiL2MBblU[/media][/QUOTE]
why do you have to move out of it? (great video as always btw.)
i put my snare onto the stand not noticing that the peg that holds it from falling off the stand went through my reso
[QUOTE=BassB;28495127]in that case, buying an emperor reso is a WASTE OF MONEY
and i wouldn't know how you'd break a snareside reso, especially a tough one like the emperor.
[editline]8th March 2011[/editline]
why do you have to move out of it? (great video as always btw.)[/QUOTE]
Thanks! Well, I've been playing in my friends parents basement for 2 years now. They want to refurbish it and make it into some kind recreational room I guess. I can't complain though. I haven't had to pay anything.
Slowpunch..
aw man, not having a place to drum at sucks,
i used to have to cram my drums into this tiny space at home, i couldn't play at all, i'm about 6 7 so i really do need some space to be able to get my legs in.
but about 2 years ago i moved all of it to the house of the singer of the band i joined back then, still in that band.
good luck with finding a new space to play, i hope you have some means of drumming in the meantime.
[QUOTE=BassB;28496324]aw man, not having a place to drum at sucks,
i used to have to cram my drums into this tiny space at home, i couldn't play at all, i'm about 6 7 so i really do need some space to be able to get my legs in.
but about 2 years ago i moved all of it to the house of the singer of the band i joined back then, still in that band.
good luck with finding a new space to play, i hope you have some means of drumming in the meantime.[/QUOTE]
Thanks mate! I used to cram my drums in my room at home, and everyone within a 300 meter radius would hear me play the drums. Thank god for my Roland TD9, or would've gone crazy. I also have 2 bands I'm playing with at the moment. Both have their own kits, so at least I'll get to play acoustic 2 times a week.
thats sweet! i wish i could afford an electric kit right now, while i do love hanging out with my band i can't go by there every day to play.
so i bought some guitars to keep me entertained at home, it really sucks to barely see myself improve because of my lack of playing time.
Any tips on putting together a drum solo? I can do a shitton of stuff that's really complex and fast, but I want to know how to weave them together.
[editline]9th March 2011[/editline]
E.G. I can do everything that Thaard did in his snarekickridehatcrash solo, but I can't make it sound good.
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;28501671]Any tips on putting together a drum solo? I can do a shitton of stuff that's really complex and fast, but I want to know how to weave them together.
[editline]9th March 2011[/editline]
E.G. I can do everything that Thaard did in his snarekickridehatcrash solo, but I can't make it sound good.[/QUOTE]
Try to imagine a kind of tune in your head, and play a solo to it. Easy as that.. It takes some practicing to make a decent solo.
And if you can do "everything" I can do, it shouldn't be a problem.
Edit: I looked at this [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OOzjzoNOuE&feature=channel_video_title[/media] and I can safely say that you need to practice with a metronome and some hand-technique. Try searching for finger-controll and moeller..
For soloing, you should try to set up waypoints in the solo where you play for example a hi-hat beat, and then move over the ride and so on. It's more difficult to make a solo with meaning, than just blazing over everything.
Well, that's not really a solo; more of me just fucking around. I know what you're talking about with that hand technique, i'm trying to learn that. I'm in my high school's drumline, so I always have to practice with a metronome.
[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;28506484]Well, that's not really a solo; more of me just fucking around. I know what you're talking about with that hand technique, i'm trying to learn that. I'm in my high school's drumline, so I always have to practice with a metronome.[/QUOTE]
Yeah dude, you have a good basis, which is crucial to getting good. I would advice you to buy Jojo Mayers Secret Weapons for the Modern drummer dvd. Also, try to play to different kind of music genres, like jazz, latino(which was most of my solo), reggae and so on. Then you will get a wider drum-vocabulary and then it will be easier to come up with stuff while you're soloing. I would also advice you to look and listen to top drummers playing and soloing. There's a lot to learn from them.
Edit: Control is crucial to play fast and good. You can have all the technique in the world, but if you're not in control, you will sound like a garbage-can falling down some stairs.
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