heh yeah i know right.
are you a weekender like me?
[editline]30th March 2011[/editline]
im gonna guess the body doesn't easily stay able to play at that speed and requires hours of daily practice not to get slow, right?
[QUOTE=Thaard;28816906]Relax, you don't immediately get faster after a week. You need to practice 1 month at least 20 minutes per day, to see progress. Hell, I didn't see progress before 2 months..[/QUOTE]
2 months yeah you did something wrong then
my instructor said i should see progress after a week if i go after it right, and getting a perfect technique down while doing it
in other news im gonna buy a wuhan china (yeah, a bit risky) online from mus-friend. figure its only 35 bucks for a 16 inch so if i get 4 months out of it its good
[QUOTE=gerbile5;28921249]2 months yeah you did something wrong then
my instructor said i should see progress after a week if i go after it right, and getting a perfect technique down while doing it
in other news im gonna buy a wuhan china (yeah, a bit risky) online from mus-friend. figure its only 35 bucks for a 16 inch so if i get 4 months out of it its good[/QUOTE]
My school has I believe a 22" wuhan china. Thing is awesome. Another school in the county has a Wuhan gong, I cannot take the thing seriously. The major issue I have with Wuhan is their lettering on their cymbals, to me it feels childish and looks retarded.
[QUOTE=gerbile5;28921249]2 months yeah you did something wrong then
my instructor said i should see progress after a week if i go after it right, and getting a perfect technique down while doing it
in other news im gonna buy a wuhan china (yeah, a bit risky) online from mus-friend. figure its only 35 bucks for a 16 inch so if i get 4 months out of it its good[/QUOTE]
The problem I see with that is going for only 20 minutes. For that length of time, it's more of an extended warm up than an actual practice session. If you can find time to practice for 1.5 hours or so a day, you'll see improvement immediately, assuming that you're practicing smart and using a metronome and all that.
[QUOTE=bltsponge;28922712]The problem I see with that is going for only 20 minutes. For that length of time, it's more of an extended warm up than an actual practice session. If you can find time to practice for 1.5 hours or so a day, you'll see improvement immediately, assuming that you're practicing smart and using a metronome and all that.[/QUOTE]
Not really, at my indoor rehearsals we spend 30 minutes doing warm ups.
'Warm-up' exercises are great for burning chops. At Blue Stars camps, we generally spend fridays building chops and defining technique with the exercise packet... for 3.5 hours.
My point was that it's not really an effective chop-building session if you're only playing for twenty minutes a day.
im pretty sure my instructor is right with his method if he teaches about 5 other kids currently and probably atleast 15 former students that technique of improving singles (and have it work for himself personally)
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how long have you been playing?
[QUOTE=gerbile5;28923086]im pretty sure my instructor is right with his method if he teaches about 5 other kids currently and probably atleast 15 former students that technique of improving singles (and have it work for himself personally)
well then again
how long have you been playing?[/QUOTE]
Hm? I wasn't commenting on your instructor's teaching technique. I don't think you specifically said what it either. Fast singles take chops and muscle memory, both of which take a lot of time and focus to improve. Longer practice sessions lead to more improvement. Your muscles take time to warm up and get into the swing of things, which generally takes 10-15 minutes. Therefore, if you're practicing for 20 minutes a day, you're only getting 5-10 minutes of 'real' practicing going on.
I've been drumming seriously for 4 years now. There are a lot of schools of thought on pretty much everything in drumming, and I'm just giving my perspective.
oh i see where your coming from
i bought a ludwig snare off my instructor today. thing is high and punchy. i love it. it will really give my kit a better sound being able to switch between dead and alive snares ( 2 snare drums)
[QUOTE=gerbile5;28923086]im pretty sure my instructor is right with his method if he teaches about 5 other kids currently and probably atleast 15 former students that technique of improving singles (and have it work for himself personally)
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how long have you been playing?[/QUOTE]
Year of experience != Proper Technique or crap.
Now when you have someone with a degree in music and they majored specifically in percussion than they might know something. Hell, someone who did only a year in Cadets could come tell me what to do because I know they got instruction from someone who has a degree in music and has been playing percussion for years. Just because they've been playing for a while doesn't mean they know what they're doing.
And this rant turned into a retarded post...
[QUOTE=gerbile5;28921249]2 months yeah you did something wrong then
my instructor said i should see progress after a week if i go after it right, and getting a perfect technique down while doing it
in other news im gonna buy a wuhan china (yeah, a bit risky) online from mus-friend. figure its only 35 bucks for a 16 inch so if i get 4 months out of it its good[/QUOTE]
Maybe I overdid it a little(I think it was closer to 3-4 weeks), but if you're practicing 20 minutes a day, then it will take some time. I practiced 3 hours each day..
On the other hand, I'm 100% self-taught, so I can only learn by watching and mimicking what I see on drum-dvd's and such, so my self-teaching methods aren't the greatest. It did work out after a while though.
It's like training weights. You get some progress, then you hit a plateau. You get frustrated because you're getting nowhere. If you stick at it though, you will see your speed go up.
In other news. Gonna start learning piano and brush up the old note reading skills, since I will be trying to get into Jazz-studies. Auditions are gonna be hard..
gerbile, you're just going to have to face the fact that practice takes time. a week is not going to do much after you've played a while.
also, thaard that's pretty cool, maby try your hand at some jazz guitar if piano doesn't work out?
[QUOTE=BassB;28930317]gerbile, you're just going to have to face the fact that practice takes time. a week is not going to do much after you've played a while.
also, thaard that's pretty cool, maby try your hand at some jazz guitar if piano doesn't work out?[/QUOTE]
I will still have drums as my main instrument, but you also need a secondary instrument, which in my case will be piano. Too bad I'm not fond of music theory, but I'll have to struggle through it..
should have chosen trumpet :v:
Or extreme jazz triangle.
[QUOTE=Thaard;28930729]Or extreme jazz triangle.[/QUOTE]
Jazz triangle is [i]always[/i] extreme.
Are there any exercises (other than the ones I'm going to tell you that I'm doing) that improve diddle quality and give it a light but solid sound?
The ones I'm doing now:
Six on normal sticking, then six with diddles (same heights on each stroke);
R L R L R L R L R R L L R R L L
(Varying it (instead of 6, do 8), increasing/decreasing tempo)
I can't put it into words (same heights);
RR RR RR RR R R LL LL LL LL L L RR RR R LL LL L RR RR R LL LL L R
(increasing/decreasing tempo)
Also no words (same heights);
R L R L R L R L RRL R L RRL R L R L R L R L R LLR LR LLR L R L R L R L R L RRLLR L RRLLR L R L R L R L RL R LLRRL R LLRRL R L R L R L R L RRLLRRLLRRLLRRLLR L R L R L R L R LLRRLLRRLLRRLLR
[editline]4th April 2011[/editline]
And accenting the second hit on diddles;
rRlLrRlL
etc
people who come into this thread and seriously say "my instructor said bla bla bla " need to shut the fuck up
why? because people who say that trust someone who studied music and then went on to play their instrument for ~35 years as opposed to some, at the most, ~8 year players are wrong? (and use the techniques they teach regularly and have proven they work?)
i dont quite understand the logic of any of you
And thus you are not willing to learn.
[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;28976498]Are there any exercises (other than the ones I'm going to tell you that I'm doing) that improve diddle quality and give it a light but solid sound?
The ones I'm doing now:
Six on normal sticking, then six with diddles (same heights on each stroke);
R L R L R L R L R R L L R R L L
(Varying it (instead of 6, do 8), increasing/decreasing tempo)
I can't put it into words (same heights);
RR RR RR RR R R LL LL LL LL L L RR RR R LL LL L RR RR R LL LL L R
(increasing/decreasing tempo)
Also no words (same heights);
R L R L R L R L RRL R L RRL R L R L R L R L R LLR LR LLR L R L R L R L R L RRLLR L RRLLR L R L R L R L RL R LLRRL R LLRRL R L R L R L R L RRLLRRLLRRLLRRLLR L R L R L R L R LLRRLLRRLLRRLLR
[editline]4th April 2011[/editline]
And accenting the second hit on diddles;
rRlLrRlL
etc[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.mediafire.com/?y5qhju4yuate371[/url]
It's pretty stock stuff, but this is an excellent exercise to build up control over all sorts of stickings. The trick is to try to play the whole thing at one height and one dynamic level. Control each note of a three and give it the same quality that is given to the single stroke check patterns. Playing this at a range of tempos really burns chops.
Thanks. Seems like a great exercise for chops, as you said. And my Invader V3 pad comes this week, so I'm psyched. Will tell of my improvement. Should I still practice my things?
[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;28978124]Thanks. Seems like a great exercise for chops, as you said. And my Invader V3 pad comes this week, so I'm psyched. Will tell of my improvement. Should I still practice my things?[/QUOTE]
You should practice it all. I forget the drummer, but there's a quote from a famous one where he says "If I miss practice for a day, my wife notices, if I miss it for 2 days the audience notices". Its not the exact quote.
[QUOTE=gerbile5;28976798]why? because people who say that trust someone who studied music and then went on to play their instrument for ~35 years as opposed to some, at the most, ~8 year players are wrong? (and use the techniques they teach regularly and have proven they work?)
i dont quite understand the logic of any of you[/QUOTE]
because i don't give a shit what one person says about instruments that subjectively can't be played wrong.
[QUOTE=stupid10er;28978261]because i don't give a shit what one person says about instruments that subjectively can't be played wrong.[/QUOTE]
Don't tell a principle percussionist or section leader that. Our Principle Percussionist at my school is adamant about how traditional grip is improper grip for concert snare.
Technically traditional for marching snare is improper too because traditional was born from the snare being on your left side way back when and now marching snares are in front
[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;28979123]Technically traditional for marching snare is improper too because traditional was born from the snare being on your left side way back when and now marching snares are in front[/QUOTE]
Except its not improper technique. Its perfectly good technique and I find it easier to do cross overs with traditional grip because instead of crossing my arms entirely to hit a tom I can just move my trad hand over my arm and hit it.
What? I was talking about marching snare
I just did a single stroke roll at 600 bpm for an hour straight
My wrists feel amazing
I just did a single stroke roll at 1000 bpm for an hour straight
My wrists feel amazing
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