[QUOTE=JDK721;27743376]not necessarily
you don't in most states[/QUOTE]
Hmm. It was my understanding that any gun sales on the grounds of a gun show location must go through a background check. Of course it can be hard to track such a transaction on the show floor or in the parking lot...
[QUOTE=Glitch360;27739986]It was pretty crowded there. My first time there, so it was pretty interesting seeing the large variety of weapons
[editline]29th January 2011[/editline]
Also, someone should recommend me a first gun, preferably not a .22[/QUOTE]
Why not a .22? Do you actually [I]want[/I] to develop flinches and/or really bad shooting habits?
(disregard if you shoot a lot but this is your first actual purchase)
[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;27739126]Except for the shit open carry laws.[/QUOTE]
OC is literally retarded anyway so I don't see the problem
[QUOTE=rossmum;27749694]OC is literally retarded anyway so I don't see the problem[/QUOTE]
"Literally retarded"
Wow
[editline]30th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Glitch360;27744202]Alright thanks man, I'll probably get an AK or SKS. Could you recommend me which country's version to get? (yugoslavian,chinese,romanian, etc.)[/QUOTE]
I always prefer the Russian SKSs, especially the earlier ones. Mine is a Tula 1950, and it has the early springloaded firing pin. The quality of the construction is top notch.
As for AKs, we have a Polish 1960 milled, and a regular Saiga. The milled is very, very nice. The bolt is nice and polished, it rides ten times smoother than the Saiga, and the wood isn't the shitty unfinished laminated ones you get with the WASRs. The Saiga is nice too, but do note that their magazines (and as a result, their guns) are proprietary. It will take a little bit of work to modify them to take standard mags.
What did I do today, you might ask?
WELL I SHOT A FREAKIN 50 CAL!!!
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/CySFz.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/VqpI8.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hrjY4.jpg[/IMG]
I'm just going to say the M249 is fucking awesome and amazingly accurate at 700 yards. The M240B is even more kick ass and its a shit ton easier to dissassemble and clean.
So my father told me that the shop where he gets his guns just got some Mosins. The one in particular, he says, is an "unfired 9130", for about $139. I'm intrigued, but I'd like to know if I don't know shit about this and that's a terrible deal.
[QUOTE=Lol Steve;27756537]So my father told me that the shop where he gets his guns just got some Mosins. The one in particular, he says, is an "unfired 9130", for about $139. I'm intrigued, but I'd like to know if I don't know shit about this and that's a terrible deal.[/QUOTE]
You're looking at this gun:
[URL]http://world.guns.ru/rifle/repeating-rifle/rus/mosin-e.html[/URL]
Specifically the 91/30. Full-length post-1930 production. Distinguished from previous variants by some simplifications and having the sight adjustment increments in meters instead of "arshina" an obsolete Czarist-Russian unit of measure that was discarded (among many things including letters of the Cyrillic alphabet) as a result of the revolution.
They made millions of them from the 1930's to the 1950's. It was a very crude and simple gun even by bolt-action standards. But like most old bolt-actions it eventually became obsolete and was phased out first for the SKS and then for the AK series. All of them were tossed into arsenals, usually torn apart and put back together out of mismatched parts (you can tell by the varying serial numbers), covered in cosmoline and forgotten about. Now the Russian government is short on cash and no military power wants those old pieces of junk so they flooded the world's civilian markets with them.
Now in the US 140$ is a rip-off. But it depends on the one you get. There are tons of mismatched 91/30s out there for as little as 70$ but that's mostly online and after shipping+FFL transfer it'll cost you more. You also need to look the individual gun over before buying it. When they say "unfired" that is total bullshit. They've all been fired, they've all been taken care of by illiterate conscripts and some even killed a German or two. They may still be covered with cosmoline (which is a bitch to remove) so they hadn't been fired since 1948 but rest assured all of those guns have seen use.
Generally when looking over a Mosin first thing is the bore. Pull the bolt up and back, and while holding the trigger down slide it out. Then look down the barrel at a source of light. Does the rifling appear crisp? Sharp? Well taken-care-of? Or is it dark and pitted? Stick a bullet tip-first into the muzzle (front end) of the gun. How tight does it fit? The tighter the fit the less worn the crown (very end of the rifling) is. Some have been counterbored where the last few millimeters of rifling have been filed out, effectively resetting the crown of the rifling farther down in the barrel.
If the rifling is shoddy and/or it's been counterbored that affects the price significantly. Next look at the shape of the chamber. Is it hexagonal or round? Hex receivers are worth more (older production, better quality). Look at the markings on the gun. What year was it made? Pre-war Mosins are the ones to get. Post-war tend to be in great shape (but they are almost all M44 carbines). Those made during the war were rough. Look at all of the parts, what serial numbers do you see? Do they all match?
A pre-war, all matching, hex-receiver mosin with a good barrel might be worth 140$. Otherwise you are in a position to haggle that price down significantly. If you can get it down to 100$ and at least the bore is good you'll have a decent shooter for a decent price. They aren't the best for a first gun (you'll get a habit of flinching, so you should really consider starting on a .22 instead) but the ammo is cheap and they are basically idiot-proof as long as you remember to clean them after shooting surplus ammo.
And don't think just because it's a cheap gun you can't get burned. I got a beater, I could never get it to function smoothly and we eventually discovered that it was so worn out it was unsafe to fire so I sold it for parts and got almost nothing for it. Despite how simple these guns are some of them are just so worn out that they will never be anything more than wall-hangers (or scrap metal/firewood).
More useful info here:
[URL]http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/russian3.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Lol Steve;27756537]So my father told me that the shop where he gets his guns just got some Mosins. The one in particular, he says, is an "unfired 9130", for about $139. I'm intrigued, but I'd like to know if I don't know shit about this and that's a terrible deal.[/QUOTE]
Where do you live? Moisins are prevalent everywhere, but that may be a fair price.
In Canada they are between $110-170 depending on the Moisin
Florida.
And they meant "Unfired" past test, apparently. Don't know about the cosmoline, my father may have mentioned something. I'll look it over with that info, or at least tell him to. Good information, thanks.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;27755891]I'm just going to say the M249 is fucking awesome and amazingly accurate at 700 yards. The M240B is even more kick ass and its a shit ton easier to dissassemble and clean.[/QUOTE]
Armed Forces?
[QUOTE=Lol Steve;27757637]Florida.
And they meant "Unfired" past test, apparently. Don't know about the cosmoline, my father may have mentioned something. I'll look it over with that info, or at least tell him to. Good information, thanks.[/QUOTE]
I say you are better off waiting for a gunshow, you will find a lot better selection there and competitive prices.
There is one at the Central FL Fairgrounds March 19th-20th if you are interested.
I get to pick up a 1911A1 custom Tuesday, I can't wait. Colt and S&W parts on it.
I'll be picking mine up next weekend :D
[QUOTE=Bean-O;27744672]-Tons of info about the Mosin Nagant-[/QUOTE]
Thank you SOOO much for this, I've been looking at getting a Mosin Nagant for about a week now so this helped tremendously. I'm also looking at getting an m1903, K98, or a Lee Enfield. Do you have any information on those? I just want those for shooting and possibly using for competitions around here.
Got this over the summer at a local gun shop for only 100 bucks.
[img]http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/e/ea/Stevens12GaugeShotgun.jpg/500px-Stevens12GaugeShotgun.jpg[/img]
Stevens 1952 12. Gauge, double barreled side by side. I love it so very much and shotgun target load is so cheap.
[QUOTE=Ridge;27755593]What did I do today, you might ask?
WELL I SHOT A FREAKIN 50 CAL!!!
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/CySFz.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/VqpI8.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/hrjY4.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Fuck the M2 i'd pick up that M1919 and run like shit.
[QUOTE=kman866;27766718]Thank you SOOO much for this, I've been looking at getting a Mosin Nagant for about a week now so this helped tremendously. I'm also looking at getting an m1903, K98, or a Lee Enfield. Do you have any information on those? I just want those for shooting and possibly using for competitions around here.[/QUOTE]
If you want a mosin just get a century re-arsenaled one and be done with it.
They have new barrels on them.
[editline]31st January 2011[/editline]
Also I want a yugo M76 horribly now.
[img]http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3233/yugom76chdi.jpg[/img]
Milled receiver AK chambered in 8mm mauser.
[QUOTE=Ridge;27735773]Hope you've had a lot to drink, cause you are going to blow a huge load over this...
[url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b97_1296268208[/url][/QUOTE]
dear santa...
Good or bad gun? Might get this for summer.
[img]http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/beemanem1.jpg[/img]
It's .22 Erma M1 carbine
[QUOTE=ForestRaptor;27775293]Good or bad gun? Might get this for summer.
[img_thumb]http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/beemanem1.jpg[/img_thumb]
It's .22 Erma M1 carbine[/QUOTE]
Looks awesome. Sexy stock, good to handle.
[quote=Zakkin;27775718]Looks awesome. Sexy stock, good to handle.[/quote]
Good to see that people think it's a good buy. A local store is selling one used (Good condition) for 250€.
I'm pretty much waiting for the summer so I can march to the police station and ask for a permit.
Also this:
[img]http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/ARJan6781M22.gif[/img]
I would just say save your money and get an actual M1 carbine.
Not an original, just a reproduction.
Went to a gunshow on Saturday. Picked up several hundred rounds of ammo, a cheap holographic sight for my AR, also an ErgoGrip since I hate the stock pistol grip, some spare magazines for said AR, a Marine Corps-issue jungle fatigue jacket, and the shoulder patch of the unit my favorite uncle served in Vietnam with. Good scores that day.
[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;27752357]"Literally retarded"
Wow[/QUOTE]
It is. You're making yourself a huge target in the event someone does start shooting (so you may as well not be carrying), and even if you don't count that into the equation... do you [I]really[/I] want to be associated with the kinds of fuckwits who will OC something ridiculous as a fashion statement? It's also been known to lead to accidental shootings, so I will never know why people think it would be a non-terrible idea, let alone a good one.
I'm all for being a proud shooter and all, but I cannot think of a single benefit to OC other than 'more comfy if you have a rubbish holster or chose a very poor CC weapon'.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;27755891]I'm just going to say the M249 is fucking awesome and amazingly accurate at 700 yards. The M240B is even more kick ass and its a shit ton easier to dissassemble and clean.[/QUOTE]
I'd like the Minimi a hell of a lot more of they had any semblance of reliability. Freshly FTR'd ones aren't bad, but once they get past a certain point (which any military weapon will in no time at all) [I]holy fuck[/I]. Stoppages galore. Also, I can see why the mag feed makes sense for NATO militaries and special forces, but by and large it is utterly useless to us (Australian Army) since we don't use STANAGS. All it does is stab you in the gut every time the thing moves with your step. You are right though, I can't fault it for accuracy.
The MAG-58 is a beautiful weapon, though. Hard not to love it.
[QUOTE=Ridge;27755593]What did I do today, you might ask?
WELL I SHOT A FREAKIN 50 CAL!!!
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/CySFz.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/VqpI8.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/hrjY4.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]Where is that, exactly? My dad's friend was telling me about a place where you can shoot a .50 cal, 5 bucks for two shots or something like that
[QUOTE=Glitch360;27777764]Where is that, exactly? My dad's friend was telling me about a place where you can shoot a .50 cal, 5 bucks for two shots or something like that[/QUOTE]
Looks like a modified M2. $2.50 a round for .50BMG is a great deal, by the way.
[editline]31st January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=rossmum;27777061]I'd like the Minimi a hell of a lot more of they had any semblance of reliability. Freshly FTR'd ones aren't bad, but once they get past a certain point (which any military weapon will in no time at all) [I]holy fuck[/I]. Stoppages galore. Also, I can see why the mag feed makes sense for NATO militaries and special forces, but by and large it is utterly useless to us (Australian Army) since we don't use STANAGS. All it does is stab you in the gut every time the thing moves with your step. You are right though, I can't fault it for accuracy.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, about those STANAG mags. They don't work very well in a Minimi... like, at all. Ask me how I know.
[QUOTE=Siminov;27777042]I would just say save your money and get an actual M1 carbine.
Not an original, just a reproduction.[/QUOTE]
Not if it's at a good price though. A real m1 carbine is expensive are is most WWII weapons.
I disagree:
M1 .30
[url]http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=214200559[/url]
M1 .22
[url]http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=213544808[/url]
Gun brokers are terrible.
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