• Firearms V. Super Redneck Edition
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[QUOTE=rossmum;28015790]ATF stamps are the reason that if I ever move to the US, I'm not bringing my No.4 with me. I would be an objectively horrible person if I forced an otherwise unfucked-with rifle through that. I still hate seeing milsurp fucked with though, even your brand of dot-matrix defaced milsurp. It's just something you shouldn't do. If you want to fuck a rifle, get a new one, don't ruin some old soldier's best friend which saw them through a fucking world war just because you're too cheap to buy yourself a halfway decent modern rifle.[/QUOTE] It's a mass produced rifle. it isn't a person. Why are you crying over cheap wood and metal. If someone wants to buy a dime a dozen milsurp gun and paint it pink and tear it apart who cares
[QUOTE=Aman V;28015855]It's a mass produced rifle. it isn't a person. Why are you crying over cheap wood and metal. If someone wants to buy a dime a dozen milsurp gun and paint it pink and tear it apart who cares[/QUOTE] Because it is a piece of history that actually means something, not some modern rifle designed to be customised. It saw someone through a world war and a lot of those guys had a lot of respect for those rifles, only for bubba to come along and fuck it up. It also means there are less worthwhile examples around and it drives the price up even further. I'm sorry, but if you see any benefit in fucking up a milsurp rifle vs buying a new one, you are an objectively terrible person.
Mosin Nagants are pretty cheap but is it possible to get one around $100 instead of 150 upwards?
I put a red dot on my Mosin but in a couple of minuets i can put the rear sight back on so i am happy.
That's just it though, there's plenty of Mosins that were made and then spent the rest of their existence inside a crate until someone sold them off, the stocks are unmarked, bluing shows no wear and they've never been fired save for whatever tests they were subjected to. And of course the cosmoline is caked on like a bad nightmare. No one ever carried them, no one ever took care of them, they have no history aside from being the same model as rifles which do have history. My 1939 Mauser on the other hand, badly rust bitten, barely 30% of it's original bluing remaining, the stock was beaten and battered. I can only guess as to what really happened to it, but with the way the rust pitting sits, and with the way the stock looked I'd say the soldier who carried it also died with it. I saved that rifle from being sporterized a years ago and have kept it in it's original configuration.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;28015758]Guess what I'm doing tomorrow! I'm going to a gunshow. Maybe not buying a gun, but I will if it is within a $150 range. Will post pictures if I get one.[/QUOTE]You probably won't find guns less than $150. You'll need at least double that if you want to buy a decent gun
[QUOTE=rossmum;28015936]Because it is a piece of history that actually means something, not some modern rifle designed to be customised. It saw someone through a world war and a lot of those guys had a lot of respect for those rifles, only for bubba to come along and fuck it up. It also means there are less worthwhile examples around and it drives the price up even further. I'm sorry, but if you see any benefit in fucking up a milsurp rifle vs buying a new one, you are an objectively terrible person.[/QUOTE] you seem to think all soldiers in past wars gave a fuck about their rifles like they were their babies. The rifles were mass produced government property. They didn't care, half of them weren't soldiers they were farmers they were just there cause they had to be. I wanna buy a nugget and bubba it to death just to make idiots rage.
[QUOTE=Aman V;28016113]you seem to think all soldiers in past wars gave a fuck about their rifles like they were their babies. They didn't care, half of them weren't soldiers they were farmers they were just there cause they had to be. I wanna buy a nugget and bubba it to death just to make idiots rage.[/QUOTE] Cut it down into an Obrez and put vertical grip and a big muzzle brake on it. Extra points if you use a vertical grip from a Thompson.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;28016138]Cut it down into an Obrez and put vertical grip and a big muzzle brake on it. Extra points if you use a vertical grip from a Thompson.[/QUOTE] it's tempting bro
Don't forget the custom made trench magazine that replaces the floor plate either.
Might as well put a triple rail mount on it
[QUOTE=Aman V;28016113]you seem to think all soldiers in past wars gave a fuck about their rifles like they were their babies. The rifles were mass produced government property. They didn't care, half of them weren't soldiers they were farmers they were just there cause they had to be. I wanna buy a nugget and bubba it to death just to make idiots rage.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that on the Eastern front in particular the distinction between "professional soldier" and "farmer who became a soldier" was pretty small. I don't expect you to understand but there is pretty much no such thing as a soldier who 'doesn't care' about their personal weapon. Some love them (this was the predominant thing back then), some bitch endlessly about them (this is more of a postwar thing), but there is nobody who just sits there saying 'fuck it I don't care' about the thing upon which their life depends. I read just a few days ago about a Korea vet being reunited with his old rifle via a special request to the CMP and the joy he got from holding that rifle again is far beyond anything I've seen in a long time. Go ahead and waste your money tacticooling out an old infantry rifle, the joke will be on you. Meanwhile, for the reasonable people in this thread, here's a few pros and cons! MILSURP + Common stuff is pretty cheap still + Cheap (albeit corrosive and sometimes dud) ammo - Not designed to be customised; even minor things are a major headache comparatively - Not even in the same accuracy ballpark as a new rifle 'out of the box' - Modifying it in any way will devalue it, which may not be an issue for a beater 91/30 now but it may as rate of import slows or stops. Modifying (including refinishing) something rare will not only make you a target of collector lynch mobs, but also slam the value into the seafloor faster than a mob informant going for a swim with the fishies. - "Heavy" (:rolleye:) - Major fuckups will be hard to fix +/- Spares will be either prolific or unobtanium depending what you buy. NEW RIFLE + Far superior out of the box accuracy + Likely designed to be customised, things like adjusting or swapping triggers and so on is easy + Modifying will increase value if anything + Designed for ergonomics, typically light and comfortable out of the box or with minimal work - Ammo is a bit pricey (but this depends on calibre) - More expensive new + Servicing and replacement of broken parts is easy Just buy a new rifle if you want to fuck with something, seriously. It saves you time and money and saves collectors an aneurysm.
Any of you guys have K31's? I was looking at 2 different ones at a gun show today. One was in terrible condition for $395, and another was in pretty good condition for $295. I don't get it either.
I just shot an ak-47 for the first time in my life, it felt so right.
So, today I was happy to get a $99 Mosin Nagant from a Big5 Sporting Goods store's sale. Got a good condition gun, strap for it, and 4 ammo pouches with that $99. Not to mention some special tool kit thing for the cleaning and maintenance of the gun. However I got something I didn't expect getting. What the hell is this? [url]www.imageshack.com/mvc005fi.jpg[/url] [IMG]http://img830.imageshack.us/i/mvc006fi.jpg/%3Ca%20href=http://img830.imageshack.us/i/mvc006fi.jpg/%20target=_blank%3E[IMG]http://img830.imageshack.us/i/mvc006fi.jpg/[/IMG]
[img]http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/7244/mvc006fi.jpg[/img] Its an oil bottle
Oh, some what expected. Just wish it wasn't full of that gun packing gel. Thanks.
[QUOTE=rossmum;28015392]Yes let's all put money into 'improving' a 1935 infantry rifle instead of going out and buying a rifle designed from the outset to be accurate. I really will never see the appeal of sporterising service rifles in this day and age. It made sense immediately postwar with the flood of cheap rifles onto the market, but now there are far better options which are inexpensive enough to make it economically unwise (and just plain unwise in general). I'm sure that's what people said before they permanently destroyed the handful of Pratt & Whitney pre-production SMLEs for SAF Lithgow, too, since they outwardly looked just like any other SMLE and we know how common they are. Turns out those are actually worth hundreds of thousands each since there were only 100 made in total. The museum has one complete (no.2) and one barreled action missing too many parts to repair (no.28). They can't find the rest and I would put my life savings on at least a few of them being bastardised because someone thought "well it's only an SMLE". There is not a single legitimate reason to fuck with milsurp anymore. It's not the 50s. If you want a cheap deer rahful, there are plenty of better options. If you want a tack driver, you shouldn't even be looking at milsurp in the first place. If you want something fun to plink with then by all means buy it but you don't need to chop it down. I know people like to be absolute pussies about any extra weight at all, but 8-10lbs is practically nothing, even for a beanpole like me. Humping a 20lb+ LSW or full-sized MG around all day gives you cause to complain about weight, not carrying an 8lb surplus rifle for a few hours (or hell, even all day). [editline]13th February 2011[/editline] Another sporterising horror story (which I wish I could find the photos of): a Mosin in a synth stock, rust all over, drilled and tapped for a modern scope and with a cut/re-crowned barrel and horrible weld job on the bolt handle to turn it down. This in itself was enough to make me cringe but by your logic is perfectly fine. It had a serrated rear sight. Under all the rust, from the right side, the Latin letters 'TON' and a '7' were visible. It was a 1917 Remington-made 1891, and would've fetched a pretty decent sum had it not been totally ratfucked. But because it was 'just another cheapo commie rahful' a rare example was irrepairably destroyed and devalued from several hundred dollars (at least) to maybe 50 if you're lucky. Of course, the owner was trying to charge something like $300 anyway.[/QUOTE] Okay, I can't help all the idiots who bastardize rare examples of a rifle. They should have done some research before they did the sporterizing. But if it's a 91/30 Mosin that is most certainly a regular infantry rifle, I see no reason you shouldn't sporterize it. I don't believe in doing that to rifles, but if it's a regular rifle, and there are millions like it, then go ahead. And we got our New England and Westinghouse M91 for somewhere around $250. They might not be a hundred dollar 91/30, but they sure aren't thousand dollar pieces you put in a glass case.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;28015983]Mosin Nagants are pretty cheap but is it possible to get one around $100 instead of 150 upwards?[/QUOTE] You can. I've seen them as low as $70 but you just got to look around. That gun show you said you're going to should have some in that range
[QUOTE=rossmum;28016517]Just buy a new rifle if you want to fuck with something, seriously. It saves you time and money and saves collectors an aneurysm.[/QUOTE] Alternatively, buy an old milsurp for shit all and then fuck around with it. A new rifle is expensive. Low cost fun is just as fun as asspensive fun. I mean just look at this SKS pistol. [IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/wwgrwj.jpg[/IMG] I can see the guy who made that having an absolute blast firing away with it. I can see someone "accurising" their cheap-as-shit moist nugget with some barrel padding and an old cheap-as-shit scope, going to the range, having a ball with their shoestring sniper nagant. Ruining something beautiful like a prototype M1900 by putting a red-dot sight on it is unforgivable. Sticking a cheap scope on a cheap milsurp that's got about as much history as my mobile phone is a different story. If I wanted an accurate rifle to shoot, say, below 1 MOA at 500 yards, I'd spend accordingly. Bitching and moaning to people about modifying milsurps is just as much as a waste of time as sticking a scope on an infantry mosin nagant, but which one is more fun? Here's an Obrez for extra fun: Firing it: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I[/url] Firing it at night (holy shit muzzle flash) [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ixyhUDhPLA[/url] [IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/ap9pb4.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;28015758]Guess what I'm doing tomorrow! I'm going to a gunshow. Maybe not buying a gun, but I will if it is within a $150 range. Will post pictures if I get one.[/QUOTE] For $150 I've seen these small .22 revolvers or maybe you could find a Derringer
[QUOTE=Error_404;28020732] Here's an Obrez for extra fun: Firing it: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I[/url] Firing it at night (holy shit muzzle flash) [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ixyhUDhPLA[/url] [img_thumb]http://i56.tinypic.com/ap9pb4.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] We should really find a better picture, because this one is photoshopped
[QUOTE=rossmum;28015392]Yes let's all put money into 'improving' a 1935 infantry rifle instead of going out and buying a rifle designed from the outset to be accurate.[/QUOTE] Money? Almost none of these things cost money, they just take work.
[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;28020973]We should really find a better picture, because this one is photoshopped[/QUOTE] can you tell from looking at the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in your time?
My dad said he used to have an FFL back in the 80's Every time we go to the gun show he'd be like "SKS are too damn expensive today, I used to buy them when they were 80$ a piece."
[QUOTE=TheSupahero;28021984]can you tell from looking at the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in your time?[/QUOTE] Pretty much. [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/obrezshop.png[/img] Anyone's who worked with anything that involves staring at individual pixels up close gets a knack for noticing tiny things.
[QUOTE=TheSupahero;28021984]can you tell from looking at the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in your time?[/QUOTE] Or the fact that the gun would have to be designed that way, and not modified. Look at it, only thing you wouldn't need to mess with is the main reciever, everything else would need to be remade. If you could make that gun, you could make a better gun. Obrez is just evertyhing cut down to some inches.
brap brap Obrez [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/C3bAP.jpg[/IMG]
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I've never owned a gun before, but once I'm 18 (just over a month away) I plan on taking the required tests and whatnot to be allowed to aquire one. Since I'm a Russian weeabo I'd like to get something Russian like a SKS or a Mosin Nagant, plus they're fairly inexpensive but I'm open to other guns as well. What would you guys recommend for a first gun?
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