35 Remington with bad earpro was horribad. 7mm Rem Mag was even more :gonk:
[editline]13th February 2011[/editline]
My head was almost spinning by the time we were finished at the range.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;28024383]Real guns have a different effect from Airsoft and the like too. I can stand up and fake shooting at a target with an empty rifle all day and be still as stone, then I can put a bullet in the gun and fire it for real and if I'm not paying attention I'll flinch.
This is because I fired a 1903 Springfield as my first rifle when I was 12. I blame my father for letting me fire it so much that day (Course I still thoroughly enjoyed it). I've mostly gotten rid of it but it still comes back if I'm being lazy but that's part of the shooting discipline.
Though if you REALLY want to flinch, try shooting a 25mm Wall Gun loaded with 240 grains of powder, firing a 1500 grain ball. Shoves you back about 2 feet and the fireball is like throwing gasoline on an open flame.[/QUOTE]
first rifle I really shot was my no4 Enfield...
I too have this flinch, all these years and thousands of rounds later...
Yeah, you never rid yourself of it, you only learn to control it.
Speaking of the ear protection can you imagine like in WWII just having hundreds of guns going off all around you including your own, its hard to believe they could still hear when they made it back stateside. Also do modern soldiers have any ear protection or are they forced to endure all the gunshots and explosions of battle without it?
[QUOTE=jgerm529;28054201]Speaking of the ear protection can you imagine like in WWII just having hundreds of guns going off all around you including your own, its hard to believe they could still hear when they made it back stateside. Also do modern soldiers have any ear protection or are they forced to endure all the gunshots and explosions of battle without it?[/QUOTE]
I always wondered what the reactions of soldiers hundreds of years ago were when they first heard the sound of guns. I assume most footsoldiers were trained with blades, so if a few of them were handed a handcannon and told to try and fight with it, what they would have though of the sound.
Or hell, maybe the very first cannons.
Modern soldiers typically wear in-ear plugs and/or headsets that are sound dampening...
[QUOTE=jgerm529;28054201]Speaking of the ear protection can you imagine like in WWII just having hundreds of guns going off all around you including your own, its hard to believe they could still hear when they made it back stateside. Also do modern soldiers have any ear protection or are they forced to endure all the gunshots and explosions of battle without it?[/QUOTE]
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure armies in WWII issued their troops with primitive cotton earbuds or something of the like.
[QUOTE=Aman V;28058584]I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure armies in WWII issued their troops with primitive cotton earbuds or something of the like.[/QUOTE]
I think that was mostly for artillery and anti-tank gun crews. I know that tanks were really loud also, which is why the tank crew communicated through headsets. I don't think common soldiers got anything, but I might be wrong.
Common soldiers on patrols do not wear ear protection because they need to be able to hear whats going on around them. Vehicle crews, artillery and soldiers protecting an area do.
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;28032778]Well if you're shooting outdoors with a .22, ear protection wouldn't really be so essential (because its outdoors and the sound doesn't reverberate around like it would indoors) but seriously I've got it down to a habit just to wear it whenever shooting regardless of the range I am at.[/QUOTE]
Ear protection is only necessary for 22 if it's supersonic. The subsonic ammunition can't really hurt your ears outdoors.
Then again, 7.62x54R INDOORS doesn't hurt my ears, so who knows. Also to all you guys talking about shooting guns causing you to develop a flinch, you're wrong.
You have a flinch because you don't dryfire and practice with snap caps on a regular basis, you don't shoot ENOUGH. You need to be aware and control every action while you're pulling the trigger, through it, and afterwards. Most people tend to close their eyes and slap the trigger, and they don't even realize it.
[editline]15th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=CAPSMAN!;28032559]Not using ear is probably some of the dumbest shit you can do, because it's so simple and basic.[/QUOTE]
Not really, when you have a couple guns in the car and spot a good place to go shooting.
Went shooting out in the colorado mountains with my MSAR(5.56) and my sig, no ear protection at all and I put about 300 rounds down range. That sig was actually harder on the ears than my MSAR even though the sig was 357sig.
real men use 20mm shotguns
[QUOTE=rossmum;28039455]
25 yards is a pistol range duder. You should be shooting to 100 [I]at the very least[/I] with rifles over .22LR, especially the Mosin. It's probably zeroed at about 300. Hell, my No.4 shoots high at 200, I have to aim off really low at 100.[/QUOTE]
7.62x54R should be zero'd at 25 yards, and 200 yards. That's the true ballistic zero for the round. It'll be 3-4inches high at 100 yards if you're zeroed at 200.
Use the 200meter setting on your ladder for up close and out to 200 meters, it's a pretty general range for the irons, and also how I zero POSPs. (On a general POSP, 3 should be 200 meters, 4 should be 300... and so on. On PSOs calibrated to the 7.62's ballistic table should be set to 2 for 25 yards and 200 yards.)
[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;28054484]I always wondered what the reactions of soldiers hundreds of years ago were when they first heard the sound of guns. I assume most footsoldiers were trained with blades, so if a few of them were handed a handcannon and told to try and fight with it, what they would have though of the sound.
Or hell, maybe the very first cannons.[/QUOTE]
Black Powder guns, especially early guns aren't NEARLY as loud as a typical modern gun though. Even my big 25mm Matchlock loaded with 240 grains of powder can be fired without ear protection, they just don't generate enough muzzle velocity and don't burn powder fast enough to harm your ears.
Even a sword banging on a shield and especially a helmet is louder and more startling than a musket shot, those who came under fire from firearms for the first time probably found the fire and smoke far more frightening. Keep in mind that super early firearms such as gonnes still used serpentine powder instead of corned powder, so they generated a lot of slow burning fire. Here's a video of a gonne being fired with serpentine powder:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unlJzADf5yo[/media]
[QUOTE=rossmum;28006544]Additionally;
I don't know what this guy's shooting is like and I don't know what that rifle's bore is like, but I'm going to go ahead and say that unless it's been totally shot through the rifle is not the one to blame here. My No.4 outshoots me effortlessly, and I know this because the one or two times I've been on good form I've put rounds through the same holes at 100 (beyond that I can't see the kind of targets we use through the irons, I need some Fig 11s). Other days it shoots exactly like this guy's 91/30 and I know for a fact it's down to my own lack of experience with irons, my inability to time my shots properly, and general bad habits I need to cure with more range time.
Putting an original PE or PU (do you even realise how [I]much[/I] original WWII sniper scopes cost?) on a bog-standard infantry rifle is a total WOFTAM. At best you'll see a minor increase in accuracy because there will be no more parallax error, but it won't magically make [I]your rifle[/I] (or even you outside of aforementioned lack of parallax) any more accurate. Even putting a repro scope on there will run more money than the rifle itself is worth and drilling/tapping for even the most bargain-bin, cheapo-model of modern scopes will then serve to fuck any potential future value the rifle would have if aliens came and abducted all our pre-war 91/30s.
Short version: mounting optics on infantry rifles is stupid and wasteful, mounting original scopes or repros on ex snipers is costly but at least justifiable, if you want a goddamn tack driver go out and buy a modern rifle designed for accuracy and not a 76-year-old military rifle designed to be operated and maintained by illiterate Siberian farmboys.
[editline]13th February 2011[/editline]
fuck, my automerge[/QUOTE]
At this point i was just looking for opinion. I already have the Savage 10 BAS-k so my modern rifle is more accurate than any gun i will ever need.
:q: bmf activator
I just bought a WASR-2 (ak74, 5.45x39)
I hack-sawed the spot weld CAI put on the nut that covers up the threads, now I'm trying to find a 74 style muzzle brake that will fit it. I can't find any consistent info about it, some people are saying only Romanian brakes will fit and others say any will fit. Anyone know for sure?
Pic of threads/sight post
[img]http://173.168.58.166/stuff/DSCF0022.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;28066850]Black Powder guns, especially early guns aren't NEARLY as loud as a typical modern gun though. Even my big 25mm Matchlock loaded with 240 grains of powder can be fired without ear protection, they just don't generate enough muzzle velocity and don't burn powder fast enough to harm your ears.
Even a sword banging on a shield and especially a helmet is louder and more startling than a musket shot, those who came under fire from firearms for the first time probably found the fire and smoke far more frightening. Keep in mind that super early firearms such as gonnes still used serpentine powder instead of corned powder, so they generated a lot of slow burning fire. Here's a video of a gonne being fired with serpentine powder:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unlJzADf5yo[/media][/QUOTE]
Huh. Did not know that.
I had some extra time in my home EC class so I made some crap for my gun.
[IMG]http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy191/TehL33tPenguin/gunsewing.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy191/TehL33tPenguin/gunss2.jpg[/IMG]
I'm hoping the image was horizontally squished because that gun looks [I]funky[/I].
It is, I have no idea what the fuck is wrong with my camera.
Now that I think of it, it's hilarious to image what kind of recoil you would get out of that rifle in the way it looks in the image.
Went to a gunshow today, saw some cool shit as usual. There was a guy with at the very least 6 tables of AK mags.
I decided to bring my Obama campaign hat but i chickened out and didn't wear it.
Here's something AK users may find interesting
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0YjB0xMXTg&feature=feedrec_grec_index[/media]
My uncle has 2 of these Kimber 1911's.
[IMG]http://www.sightm1911.com/images/Kimber_Desert_Warrior_450.jpg[/IMG]
He also has the compact version. These are damned accurate.
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;28119981]Here's something AK users may find interesting
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0YjB0xMXTg&feature=feedrec_grec_index[/media][/QUOTE]
Just introduces more dirt and dust into the system. It's not that much slower to rack the handle on the other side anyhow, and if it really bothers you, you can install a galil style charging handle, which sweeps up so you can rack it from the left.
I freaking love my little Browning.
Just fired a few hundred rounds through it and zero'd in an optic for it. It's just so much fun to shoot.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Springfield_1861.jpg[/img]
Respect the classics.
[QUOTE=CG-105;28121598][img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Springfield_1861.jpg[/img_thumb]
Respect the classics.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.paulnoll.com/Korea/awards-combat-infantry-badge.jpgp[/IMG]
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[editline]17th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ridge;28058456]Modern soldiers typically wear in-ear plugs and/or headsets that are sound dampening...[/QUOTE]
I can't speak from personal experience, but I asked my Drill Sergeant about this in basic training (Army infantry), and he said he never wore earpro in combat, nor did [I]most[/I] of the guys in his squad. Iraq 2004, Afghanistan 2005-'06, Iraq part deux 2007-'08, all with the 82nd Airborne Division. For what it's worth.
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;28119981]Here's something AK users may find interesting
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0YjB0xMXTg&feature=feedrec_grec_index[/media][/QUOTE]
So an HK raped an AK and gave us a HAK? AHK?
[QUOTE=krunchy;28080536]I just bought a WASR-2 (ak74, 5.45x39)
I hack-sawed the spot weld CAI put on the nut that covers up the threads, now I'm trying to find a 74 style muzzle brake that will fit it. I can't find any consistent info about it, some people are saying only Romanian brakes will fit and others say any will fit. Anyone know for sure?
Pic of threads/sight post
[img_thumb]http://173.168.58.166/stuff/DSCF0022.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Any 14x1mm LH threaded muzzle device will work.
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