[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21142878]Mag could be loaded and they don't want to have cartidges in the chamber perhaps?[/QUOTE]
you can insert a mag all the way or nearly all the way when the bolt is closed I think
[QUOTE=Loen;21141485]Considering you're apparently a raging pacifist, vegan, anti-gun, anti-war and anti-death apparently no matter the justification, [i]and[/i] flaming anyone with an opposing opinion to the point where you make god damn Trotsky look like a right wing ignorant redneck conservative, yeah i'd say you're fucking trolling. Even if you aren't and actually HAVE such a fucking asininely ignorant opinion and act as a complete pompous fuck who has all the answers to anyone that opposes it; this isn't a thread for political discussion. It's casual discussion relating to firearms. If you [i]weren't[/i] trolling you would have the decency to not barge in here and start a fucking quarrel.
1/10 I suggest you try harder.[/QUOTE]
He has probably never even had the chance to see a gun with his own eyes. He just likes to play CS:S and *Pretend* hes shooting bad guys.
Lay off him, he is obviously an unhealthy basement dweller that has no hobby other than raging on forums about things he has never experienced.
[QUOTE=Mikhail;21142903]He has probably never even had the chance to see a gun with his own eyes. He just likes to play CS:S and *Pretend* hes shooting bad guys.
Lay off him, he is obviously an unhealthy basement dweller that has no hobby other than raging on forums about things he has never experienced.[/QUOTE]
just like you read about blackwater and "pretend" that they are awesome and elite right
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;21142899]you can insert a mag all the way or nearly all the way when the bolt is closed I think[/QUOTE]
If a bullet is already in the chamber then you don't have to pull the bolt back to cock the gun.
[QUOTE=Mikhail;21142919]If a bullet is already in the chamber then you don't have to pull the bolt back to cock the gun.[/QUOTE]
no shit genius we were talking about people taking pics of their unloaded guns in their own homes, with a magazine inserted just to complete the look
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;21142913]just like you read about blackwater and "pretend" that they are awesome and elite right[/QUOTE]
I don't see how saying Blackwater deserves respect, and some anti-gun moronic asshole trolling a forum have anything to do with each other.
I don't pretend they are awesome. I know that they could be better, and you should probably figure out that the Media Mass-Produces propaganda against these corporations to make them look terrible.
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[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;21142941]no shit genius we were talking about people taking pics of their unloaded guns in their own homes, with a magazine inserted just to complete the look[/QUOTE]
Well Congratulations, you caught me off-guard and I didn't read the post correctly.
[QUOTE=Mikhail;21142959]I don't see how saying Blackwater deserves respect, and some anti-gun moronic asshole trolling a forum have anything to do with each other.
I don't pretend they are awesome. I know that they could be better, and you should probably figure out that the Media Mass-Produces propaganda against these corporations to make them look terrible.[/QUOTE]
blackwater doesn't deserve any respect whatsoever, but it makes sense that a child with childish opinions would respect them
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[img]http://militarytimes.com/blogs/scoopdeck/files/2009/11/Bridge.jpg[/img]
here is what happens to those elite private soldiers of yours
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;21142981]blackwater doesn't deserve any respect whatsoever, but it makes sense that a child with childish opinions would respect them[/QUOTE]
Yea I am a child with childish opinions, more like a 21 year old that just posted pictures of my weapons-cache about two pages back.
Blackwater the company doesn't deserve respect, the fuck are you smoking.
The contractors on the other hand, do deserve respect, although they will never get it merely by merit of the association Blackwater.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;21142981]blackwater doesn't deserve any respect whatsoever, but it makes sense that a child with childish opinions would respect them
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Big ass picture
here is what happens to those elite private soldiers of yours[/QUOTE]
Woah, I never said they were Elite, Amazing soldiers, with amazing, bad ass skill. I said they deserve respect.
Does that picture not make you respect them more? People giving their lives up to torture from the enemy.
[QUOTE=Mikhail;21143023]Woah, I never said they were Elite, Amazing soldiers, with amazing, bad ass skill. I said they deserve respect.
Does that picture not make you respect them more? People giving their lives up to torture from the enemy.[/QUOTE]
i could care less about what happens to the fucks at blackwater
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;21143016]Blackwater the company doesn't deserve respect, the fuck are you smoking.
The contractors on the other hand, do deserve respect, although they will never get it merely by merit of the association Blackwater.[/QUOTE]
That is what I meant...
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[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;21143048]i could care less about what happens to the fucks at blackwater[/QUOTE]
If you don't care for a human life, even if they have insulted you in someway, then you are a very, very dangerous person.
[QUOTE=Warhol;21137463]knowing you crazy fucking gun nuts, that's if some... le gasp, minority is near you. you people pull the fucking trigger if someone breathes oddly, you're paranoid as shit
Oh? so guns were never used as devices of war? what does that make nukes? just metal containers? wow... you are ignorant as all fuck
just becuase you're some raving anti-humanist who hates humans, doesn't make it true
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling" - JohnnyMo1))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
man you're the angriest pacifist I've ever seen, wouldn't that mean you're kinda doing it wrong?
anyway on the topic of blackwater, I think they're a pretty unprofessional lot, I certainly wouldn't trust them and most of the people I know in the military that came into contact with them got some bad vibes
anyway back on the subject of firearms,
a buddy of mine just got a pretty nice AR15, and he's been bugging me to go to the range so I'm looking into getting a more modern semi auto rifle, since all I have are older guns from ww2 (not saying they';re bad or anything I'd just like something a bit more modern)
now everyone and their mother has an AK, so do any of you know anything about CETMEs, are they decent rifles?
[QUOTE=Mikhail;21143050]That is what I meant...[/QUOTE]
this is still ignorant, how do you think blackwater gets their bad reputation?
...because their contractors murder civilians and cover it up, and use government funds to hire prostitutes.
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[QUOTE=Cpl. Combine;21143071]man you're the angriest pacifist I've ever seen, wouldn't that mean you're kinda doing it wrong?
anyway on the topic of blackwater, I think they're a pretty unprofessional lot, I certainly wouldn't trust them and most of the people I know in the military that came into contact with them got some bad vibes
anyway back on the subject of fire arms,
a buddy of mine just got a pretty nice AR15, and he's been bugging me to go to the range so I'm looking into getting a more modern semi auto rifle, since all I have are older guns from ww2 (not saying they';re bad or anything I'd just like something a bit more modern)
now everyone and their mother has an AK, so do any of you know anything about CETMEs, are they decent rifles?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't recommend a CETME or a G3, they are extremely heavy and their roller lock system is pointless/needlessly complicated in a semi-auto and makes it so the gun gets way dirty. FALs are supposed to be pretty nice, and AKs/ARs are bread and butter. Just keep in mind that full sized rifle ammo is going to be by and large more expensive than something like 7.62x39 or .223.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;21143072]this is still ignorant, how do you think blackwater gets their bad reputation?
...because their contractors murder civilians and cover it up, and use government funds to hire prostitutes.[/QUOTE]
What stops the US from murdering civilians? It happens often. Thing is the media covers it up.
We really need to get back on the subject of firearms now.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;21143048]i could care less about what happens to the fucks at blackwater[/QUOTE]
Sort of an ignorant comment. PMC soldiers are merely by contract. Blackwater is the company picking up said contract. The contractor could be working for Blackwater one job, and then be working for an entirely different company next. So that's pretty much the equivalent of you going "All US Army soldiers are fucking scum" because of the actions of a few of them. You're judging a large group of people.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;21143072]this is still ignorant, how do you think blackwater gets their bad reputation?
...because their contractors murder civilians and cover it up, and use government funds to hire prostitutes.
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I wouldn't recommend a CETME or a G3, they are extremely heavy and their roller lock system is pointless/needlessly complicated in a semi-auto and makes it so the gun gets way dirty. FALs are supposed to be pretty nice, and AKs/ARs are bread and butter.[/QUOTE]
yeah I've been looking into FALs aswell, I just wanted to get something a little different, guess I'm gonna have to save my pennies haha
[QUOTE=Mikhail;21143102] Thing is the media covers it up.
.[/QUOTE]
that's not something the media would cover up, they'd run with that just like they did with the abu ghraib they love making our people look like shitheads
[QUOTE=Mikhail;21142903]He has probably never even had the chance to see a gun with his own eyes. He just likes to play CS:S and *Pretend* hes shooting bad guys.
Lay off him, he is obviously an unhealthy basement dweller that has no hobby other than raging on forums about things he has never experienced.[/QUOTE]
oh man :iceburn:
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;21143105]Sort of an ignorant comment. PMC soldiers are merely by contract. Blackwater is the company picking up said contract. The contractor could be working for Blackwater one job, and then be working for an entirely different company next. So that's pretty much the equivalent of you going "All US Army soldiers are fucking scum" because of the actions of a few of them. You're judging a large group of people.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand why you would want to white knight Xe/Blackwater, even if what you say is true (I don't think that there is just some pool of contractors out there that a bunch of companies have some sort of baseball draft with) it doesn't change the fact that they were working for blackwater under blackwater's watch while these crimes occurred, and Erik Prince himself was personally involved.
[QUOTE=Cpl. Combine;21143122]yeah I've been looking into FALs aswell, I just wanted to get something a little different, guess I'm gonna have to save my pennies haha
that's not something the media would cover up, they'd run with that just like they did with the abu ghraib they love making our people look like shitheads[/QUOTE]
FALs are pretty sweet, I really prefer G3s though because they feel more comfortable to me.
[QUOTE=Mikhail;21143188]FALs are pretty sweet, I really prefer G3s though because they feel more comfortable to me.[/QUOTE]
On the contrary, in my experience the G3's weight makes it a pain in the ass, the charging handle was stupidly designed/the roller locks make cocking the thing difficult, and the heavy-ass bolt creates a lot of recoil. At least the FAL's charging handle is ergonomically placed and makes sense. Given the roller-lock system the G3 makes more sense as a LMG, because full auto battle rifles are dumb in the first place.
Erik Prince is an irl bond villain
[img]http://www.mpacuk.org/os/images/stories/mpacuk/erik_prince.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;21143180]I don't understand why you would want to white knight Xe/Blackwater, even if what you say is true (I don't think that there is just some pool of contractors out there that a bunch of companies have some sort of baseball draft with) it doesn't change the fact that they were working for blackwater under blackwater's watch while these crimes occurred, and Erik Prince himself was personally involved.[/QUOTE]
I'm not white knight-ing Blackwater. The company is run by a bunch of assholes, Erik prince should be shot. But the fact remains that PMC operators are not their company. They are hired to do a job, and after that their contractual obligation to company is over. Although there may be dedicated employees of blackwater, the vast majority of contractors are usually jumping from one company to another.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;21143278]I'm not white knight-ing Blackwater. The company is run by a bunch of assholes. But the fact remains that PMC operators are not their company. They are hired to do a job, and after that their contractual obligation to company is over. Although there may be dedicated employees of blackwater, the vast majority of contractors are usually jumping from one company to another.[/QUOTE]
PMC operators are not their company, yet said operators are the ones that tried to cover up the fact that they killed civilians and their boss/CEO of Blackwater arranged for them to be given prostitutes. Both parties are guilty.
We're only talking about Blackwater here, not other companies. As far as Blackwater is concerned, the problem was/is rampant throughout all levels of command.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;21143072]this is still ignorant, how do you think blackwater gets their bad reputation?
..[B].because their contractors murder civilians and cover it up, and use government funds to hire prostitutes.[/B]
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That sounds like a fun job
[QUOTE=Aman V;21143307]That sounds like a fun job[/QUOTE]
fun for them, not so fun for the people who have to explain to Iraq why we hire people like that
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;21143180]I don't understand why you would want to white knight Xe/Blackwater, even if what you say is true (I don't think that there is just some pool of contractors out there that a bunch of companies have some sort of baseball draft with) it doesn't change the fact that they were working for blackwater under blackwater's watch while these crimes occurred, and Erik Prince himself was personally involved.[/QUOTE]
Blackwater is a bad example of a PMC really. They're affecting the industry alltogether and giving a generally negative reputation and misunderstanding of defense contractors as a whole.
[QUOTE=Loen;21143386]Blackwater is a bad example of a PMC really. They're affecting the industry alltogether and giving a generally negative reputation and misunderstanding of defense contractors as a whole.[/QUOTE]
contractors give themselves that reputation when they do shit like throw out entire vehicles and buy new ones because they have flat tires, or do shitty electrical work in showers
there are greedy sons of bitches across the industry, it's not just blackwater
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[quote]Because contractors were paid on cost-plus arrangements, they had a powerful incentive to spend to the hilt. The undisputed master of milking the system is [B]KBR, the former Halliburton subsidiary so ubiquitous in Iraq that soldiers even encounter its customer-survey sheets in outhouses.[/B] The company has been exposed by whistle-blowers in numerous Senate hearings for everything from [B]double-charging taxpayers for $617,000 worth of sodas to overcharging the government 600 percent for fuel shipments.[/B] When things went wrong, KBR simply scrapped expensive gear: [B]The company dumped 50,000 pounds of nails in the desert because they were too short, and left the Army no choice but to set fire to a supply truck that had a flat tire.[/B] "[B]They did not have the proper wrench to change the tire,"[/B] an Iraq vet named Richard Murphy told investigators, "so the decision was made to torch the truck."[/quote]
[quote]Improper wiring by military contractor KBR at U.S. bases in Iraq led to electrical shocks about once every three days for nearly two years, according to Defense Department documents obtained by CNN.[/quote]
The privatization of war needs to be stopped, we're wasting money paying people to rip us off.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;21143418]contractors give themselves that reputation when they do shit like throw out entire vehicles and buy new ones because they have flat tires, or do shitty electrical work in showers
there are greedy sons of bitches across the industry, it's not just blackwater[/QUOTE]
True, but there are plenty of legitimate security contractors in the industry.
I agree mostly that privatizing war is messed up.
Blackwater is the real-life BadCompany
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