Anyone know of any sub-100 dollar 4x or 2x scopes with decent optical quality and eye relief? I'm getting it for my AR.
[QUOTE=Ridge;23947804]Correct. I got mine for about $85 early last year used from someone on a firearms forum.[/QUOTE]
That's a damn good deal, I was tempted to get one for my MP5-40 before I sold it, but the price scared me away.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23948246]Anyone know of any sub-100 dollar 4x or 2x scopes with decent optical quality and eye relief? I'm getting it for my AR.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately that budget isn't going to get you much besides a cheap WalMart scope for a .22
Save up a bit longer and get around $200-250....
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[QUOTE=mugofdoom;23948267]That's a damn good deal, I was tempted to get one for my MP5-40 before I sold it, but the price scared me away.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it was a screaming deal in the middle of the night that I jumped on.
[QUOTE=Ridge;23948362]Unfortunately that budget isn't going to get you much besides a cheap WalMart scope for a .22
Save up a bit longer and get around $200-250....
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So I'm assuming NcStar's stuff is shit.
Mossberg 500
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Colt Commander 1911
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AR-15
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My weapons, not my pictures.
[QUOTE=JDER14;23947708]I believe thats an FN-Five Seven, no? While it does look nice and has a nice big magazine capacity I'd pass on it. I'd think 5.7x28 lacks punch, but I could be completly wrong.[/QUOTE]
Civilian loads of 5.7x28 are pretty much a glorified and expensive .22 that can't even penetrate the FBI minimum of 12 inches of ballistics gelatin.
[QUOTE=alextrooper;23942304]I am all for owning guns, but I'm not for owning automatics.[/QUOTE]
So you're all for owning firearms, but you're not for having them be capable of something that simply bump-firing or squeezing the trigger real fast can achieve?
Not starting a debate in any way, just wanted to point that out.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23948490]So I'm assuming NcStar's stuff is shit.[/QUOTE]
Having owned several NcStar products, that is a yes. Their mounts tend to loosen, and the crosshairs on the glass can break free and spin around inside the scope.
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[QUOTE=alextrooper;23942304]I am all for owning guns, but I'm not for owning automatics.[/QUOTE]
Check out this full auto ww2 era M1 Garand!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQrtzSdVDo[/url]
[QUOTE=Armotekma;23932979]that a cz-75?[/QUOTE]
Yep.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;23946625]Nice, but don't you think the 32 round Glack mag is a bit on the ridiculous side?[/QUOTE]
Who doesn't like the 33 rounders?
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/49917/gunstuff/GlockMags3.jpg[/img]
Hey, now I'd just like to say that this question comes out of complete curiosity, and it didn't come from MW2 or whatever the fuck.
In all seriousness, would any of you guys actually consider akimbo... ANYTHING efficient? I've been considering buying a pair of Beretta Model 92A1's, mostly because the Beretta fulls are, in my opinion, absolutely beautiful handguns.
Far more efficient to just have the 1. Can aim down sights, both hands bracing it, faster reload etc. Akimbo is for when you're enemies are duct-taped to the walls, covering an entire room, guaranteeing no misses.
Alright, now that that's out of the way, how do you guys feel about Beretta's? Or, more particularly, the model I have my eye on?
[img]http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad100/Trojainwarrior/Nothinspecial.png[/img]
My nothing-special-.44 and friends.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;23956381]Alright, now that that's out of the way, how do you guys feel about Beretta's? Or, more particularly, the model I have my eye on?[/QUOTE]
I don't like them as much as other 9mm's because they feel slightly awkward. A little long and heavy for the round they throw.
But that is my opinion.
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[QUOTE=Mr 23;23956442][img]http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad100/Trojainwarrior/Nothinspecial.png[/img]
My nothing-special-.44 and friends.[/QUOTE]
Load that shit with 340gr. +p+ ammo. See how well it handles the recoil.
[QUOTE=Thomas849;23957172]
Load that shit with 340gr. +p+ ammo. See how well it handles the recoil.[/QUOTE]
Suddenly my .44 learns to fly.
I have to say I laughed at that comment.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;23956175]Hey, now I'd just like to say that this question comes out of complete curiosity, and it didn't come from MW2 or whatever the fuck.
In all seriousness, would any of you guys actually consider akimbo... ANYTHING efficient? I've been considering buying a pair of Beretta Model 92A1's, mostly because the Beretta fulls are, in my opinion, absolutely beautiful handguns.[/QUOTE]
No.
No no no.
Dicking around at the range? Sure that'd be fun. Anything else and you'd be a fool.
And don't lie you totally got that from MW. Why else would you call it " AKIMB00000!!!!!"
[QUOTE=Aman V;23957491]No.
No no no.
Dicking around at the range? Sure that'd be fun. Anything else and you'd be a fool.
And don't lie you totally got that from MW. Why else would you call it " AKIMB00000!!!!!"[/QUOTE]The word "akimbo", I think you'll find, predates MW2 by quite a bit.
There were no games before MW2.
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[QUOTE=Armotekma]that a cz-75?[/QUOTE]
Yep.[/QUOTE]
how much did it run you? thinking about a 92fs or that
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;20834272]What.
The FN Five-Seven is a good pistol, what are you talking about?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, if you like to pay a buzillion dollars for a gun that isn't nearly as good as a .45 that costs the same, and then like to only buy ammo in a queer caliber from MidwayUSA. The fact is, HK's pistols and alot of their rifles are simply...not awesome.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;23945817]"I'm cool with you guys but I don't think gay people should be allowed to marry."[/QUOTE]
What? Not whatsoever. I quite like guns and shooting, frequently visit the range, but I personally believe that automatics are not to be placed in civilian hands, they're far too dangerous.
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[QUOTE=ewitwins;23956381]Alright, now that that's out of the way, how do you guys feel about Beretta's? Or, more particularly, the model I have my eye on?[/QUOTE]
I own a 92FS and it's absolutely fantastic. Fires well, durable as all hell, and easy to break down to clean. Civy berettas are great.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;23963430]I personally believe that automatics are not to be placed in civilian hands, they're far too dangerous.[/QUOTE]
Clearly your opinion is marred by Hollywood movies involving bank robberies and drug lords then. I know a guy who has enough automatics to make you cry. Two Thompsons, an M1A1 and an M1928, two Brens, a MKI and MKII, an M1919, a BAR, an MP5, some French(?) SMG I forget the name of that folds up into a shape resembling a metal brick, a PPSh 41 and I think an MG34, probably some others I'm forgetting too. He also has two 20mm Hispano M2s from a P61 and last I talked to him he was looking to get a MK19.
On top of that, he's the nicest, most generous guy you'd ever meet.
As for the MK19, anyone else you might have said "Yeah, bullshit, good luck with that.", but this guy is for real, anyone who has two tanks parked in his front yard and an armoury consisting of a BAR and two 20mm cannons clearly isn't bullshitting you.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;23963946]Clearly your opinion is marred by Hollywood movies involving bank robberies and drug lords then.[/quote]
Hardly. It's pretty simple, if you're a reasonable shooter and what to practice targeting as a hobby or go hunting you don't need a fucking automatic because not only will the automatic fire fuck your grouping, but that the average person doesn't need a goddamn automatic weapon. Autos are useless to a civilian; they're designed for mass destruction, not self defense or for hobby shooting. Shotguns? No problem. Pistols? No problem. A semi auto or bolt action? No problem, all of these can be used for practical purposes. The only practical purposes for an automatic is causing close range widespread destruction.
[quote] I know a guy who has enough automatics to make you cry. Two Thompsons, an M1A1 and an M1928, two Brens, a MKI and MKII, an M1919, a BAR, an MP5, some French(?) SMG I forget the name of that folds up into a shape resembling a metal brick, a PPSh 41 and I think an MG34, probably some others I'm forgetting too. He also has two 20mm Hispano M2s from a P61 and last I talked to him he was looking to get a MK19.
On top of that, he's the nicest, most generous guy you'd ever meet.[/quote]
I really, really don't care.
I think civilians should be allowed to own automatic weapons. The 2nd Ammendment guarantee's our right to own firearms. Why should it matter what kind they are it is to keep the government afraid of the people not the people afraid of the government.
No one should have a sports car then either, which is basically what an automatic amounts to when you get down to it, an expensive piece of machinery. A sports car has no practical purpose, most places do not allow you to take advantage of it's speed and handling and they're poor for going off road. Yet many people seem to love them an aspire to buy one some day.
Just because they have no practical purpose doesn't mean people shouldn't be able to get them, if you're going to jump through hoops to get an automatic, chances are you're just looking for a range toy, and there are a lot of non-automatics that qualify for that description which also have no practical purpose compared to other kinds of gun.
I mean, I'm not saying they should sell Thompsons at Big 5, but saying people shouldn't have them at all isn't right either.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;23964395]No one should have a sports car then either, which is basically what an automatic amounts to when you get down to it, an expensive piece of machinery. A sports car has no practical purpose, most places do not allow you to take advantage of it's speed and handling and they're poor for going off road. Yet many people seem to love them an aspire to buy one some day.
Just because they have no practical purpose doesn't mean people shouldn't be able to get them, if you're going to jump through hoops to get an automatic, chances are you're just looking for a range toy, and there are a lot of non-automatics that qualify for that description which also have no practical purpose compared to other kinds of gun.
I mean, I'm not saying they should sell Thompsons at Big 5, but saying people shouldn't have them at all isn't right either.[/QUOTE]
My dad and his war friends shipped out M16A1/M60 parts from Vietnam, I didn't necessarily jump through any hoops.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;23964395]Just because they have no practical purpose doesn't mean people shouldn't be able to get them, if you're going to jump through hoops to get an automatic, chances are you're just looking [B]for a range toy[/B], and there are a lot of non-automatics that qualify for that description which also have no practical purpose compared to other kinds of gun.[/quote]
see now here's the problem with this: it's going to be seen as a [I]toy.[/I] You can't seriously shoot an automatic for going to a firing range, it's ridiculous. And if the people who have it are using it and seeing it as a toy they really don't understand how fucking violent an auto is.
And in reference to the sports car thing, it's quite different; sports cars include sex appeal and are used as a measure of ones success; those who purchase them drive around at normal speeds for the most part, simply to show off how successful they are. There's no "success" stigma attached to owning an automatic weapon. Sure, they can metaphorically "go the same speed" as everyone else and instead of utiliziing the full auto capabilities of their weapons shoot as if it's a semi-auto, however, what's the point of having a fully auto if you're not planning on firing it fully auto and have plenty of options for semi-auto variations of the same weapon?
[QUOTE=Krilliad;23963386]Yeah, if you like to pay a buzillion dollars for a gun that isn't nearly as good as a .45 that costs the same, and then like to only buy ammo in a queer caliber from MidwayUSA. The fact is, HK's pistols and alot of their rifles are simply...not awesome.[/QUOTE]
The FN Five-Seven is not made by HK, hell you even quoted the FN part and still got that wrong. Although I do agree that I think the Five-Seven is an overpriced handgun that has few if any real uses on the civilian market besides collection and shooting on the range.
Also, which .45 are you referring to, since there are many many pistols that do indeed fire the .45ACP cartridge. You could be referring to any of a number of pistols of less than reputable nature, indeed you could be referring to HK pistols which you seem to dislike so much because they do come chambered in .45ACP amongst other calibers.
I believe the .45 you are referring to is the M1911 we all know and love. Maybe the guy inquiring about the Five-Seven was more interested in getting it as a gun to go shooting with and not have the recoil from a .45 to deal with. Although he could go with something a lot cheaper such as a Ruger .22 or a 9mm of some sort or another.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;23964821]see now here's the problem with this: it's going to be seen as a [I]toy.[/I] You can't seriously shoot an automatic for going to a firing range, it's ridiculous. And if the people who have it are using it and seeing it as a toy they really don't understand how fucking violent an auto is.[/QUOTE]
It was a figure of speech. And really, i have to agree with RR on this one.
[QUOTE=Raneman;23754820]Herp derp you need to be 21 to buy pistols.[/QUOTE]
In Norway you when you are 14 and 6 six months :smug:
(Under the condition that you join a pistol club the day you turn 14 and follow regular practice with a pisol there, then you can buy a pistol of the same kind, i.e you train with a revolver, you can buy a revolver, you train with a Luger, you can buy a luger. and that the gun is stored at the range until you turn 18 or 21)
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