[QUOTE=jgerm529;23964378]I think civilians should be allowed to own automatic weapons. The 2nd Ammendment guarantee's our right to own firearms. Why should it matter what kind they are it is to keep the government afraid of the people not the people afraid of the government.[/QUOTE]
your not serious are you? an automatic weapon is [B]nothing[/B] like a sports car. Sure I love guns and i'm currently serving in my country's reserve guard, but an automatic weapon is absolutely lethal in the hands of someone with an intention to use it. People argue that "oh in semi you can press the trigger fast" or "all guns are lethal" Take it this way: The styer AUG can fire 700 rounds a minute, meaning it can empty a magazine of 30 rounds in a few seconds (We had to know the ins and outs of this weapon in training) imagine your AR15 or Scar or whatever the fuck you use, on automatic blazing away in the hands of some poor soul who has murder on his mind. That my friends is why it's banned. And this whole government should fear the state thing is a bit extreme. You want the government to be afraid of it's people because they are armed to the teeth? thats not a country I would live in. Your country (America I presume,) built itself on democracy and the right to freedom, not the populace holding the government with weapons. Face it you said it yourself, you don't need automatic weapons, also another point: You don't want law enforcement officers and military personnel under-gunned by civilians, it can lead to tragedy on both sides.
Can anyone recommend a good "starter" pump action shotgun which will just be used for shooting skeet and target shooting?
[QUOTE=Mabus;23965022]your not serious are you? an automatic weapon is [B]nothing[/B] like a sports car. Sure I love guns and i'm currently serving in my country's reserve guard, but an automatic weapon is absolutely lethal in the hands of someone with an intention to use it. People argue that "oh in semi you can press the trigger fast" or "all guns are lethal" Take it this way: The styer AUG can fire 700 rounds a minute, meaning it can empty a magazine of 30 rounds in a few seconds (We had to know the ins and outs of this weapon in training) imagine your AR15 or Scar or whatever the fuck you use, on automatic blazing away in the hands of some poor soul who has murder on his mind. That my friends is why it's banned. And this whole government should fear the state thing is a bit extreme. You want the government to be afraid of it's people because they are armed to the teeth? thats not a country I would live in. Your country (America I presume,) built itself on democracy and the right to freedom, not the populace holding the government with weapons. Face it you said it yourself, you don't need automatic weapons, also another point: You don't want law enforcement officers and military personnel under-gunned by civilians, it can lead to tragedy on both sides.[/QUOTE]
America is also built around the right to bear arms (US Constitution, 2nd Amendment Right), although I do agree automatic firearms should be restricted to civilians because I'd rather not see a lunatic run around with fully automatic high powered weapons. I'm a US Marine and I'd hate to have to go up against someone with an M2 Heavy Machine Gun, armed with my humble M16A4. Also, I'm a big proponent of the proper application of well-aimed shots over spray and pray.
[QUOTE=Nachoman17;23965061]Can anyone recommend a good "starter" pump action shotgun which will just be used for shooting skeet and target shooting?[/QUOTE]
I own a Baikal mp-133, its a fine gun, although hard to get. I recommend a Remington pump they are good all rounders, but for skeet and clay you really need a semi auto, pump is-int really designed for it.
[QUOTE=Nachoman17;23965061]Can anyone recommend a good "starter" pump action shotgun which will just be used for shooting skeet and target shooting?[/QUOTE]
Remington 870 or Mossberg 500, pick the cheapest. That seems to be my impression (as in Bean-o's view of the case, I've never shot a pump action....yet)
As for using Semi-auto's for skeet shooting, that doesn't seem to apply in norway. Most sports weapons here can also be used for hunting, so if you go to the skeetrange, you'll find mostly O/Us and S/Ss and the fresh guy that didn't inherit his gun and actually bought a semi-
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;23964821]see now here's the problem with this: it's going to be seen as a [I]toy.[/I] You can't seriously shoot an automatic for going to a firing range, it's ridiculous. And if the people who have it are using it and seeing it as a toy they really don't understand how fucking violent an auto is.
And in reference to the sports car thing, it's quite different; sports cars include sex appeal and are used as a measure of ones success; those who purchase them drive around at normal speeds for the most part, simply to show off how successful they are. There's no "success" stigma attached to owning an automatic weapon. Sure, they can metaphorically "go the same speed" as everyone else and instead of utiliziing the full auto capabilities of their weapons shoot as if it's a semi-auto, however, what's the point of having a fully auto if you're not planning on firing it fully auto and have plenty of options for semi-auto variations of the same weapon?[/QUOTE]
Of course no one sees a gun as a toy, a range toy is simply a gun you go to have fun with at a range shooting targets, paper or otherwise. And yes, I have been to a range here locally where a guy had a full auto M1919 shooting along side the bench shooters so you're not restricted on when or where any more than someone shooting with a rifle, at least not where I live.
And not everyone buys a sports car to show how big their wallet is, some enjoy the engineering or the capability of the machine. In fact, I'd wager that the people who do buy them for that reason are of the minority to the ones who simply like the car for what it is. Guns are no different to a lot of people. If you're going to view guns for their violence then you've got your head screwed on wrong.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;23964094]Hardly. It's pretty simple, if you're a reasonable shooter and what to practice targeting as a hobby or go hunting you don't need a fucking automatic because not only will the automatic fire fuck your grouping, but that the average person doesn't need a goddamn automatic weapon. Autos are useless to a civilian; they're designed for mass destruction, not self defense or for hobby shooting. Shotguns? No problem. Pistols? No problem. A semi auto or bolt action? No problem, all of these can be used for practical purposes. The only practical purposes for an automatic is causing close range widespread destruction.
I really, really don't care.[/QUOTE]
So? I'm Canadian but even I know this. 2nd Amendment. Exercise your rights. If I want an automatic weapon for range fun or reenactments, I will get it.
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[QUOTE=Mabus;23965022]your not serious are you? an automatic weapon is [B]nothing[/B] like a sports car. Sure I love guns and i'm currently serving in my country's reserve guard, but an automatic weapon is absolutely lethal in the hands of someone with an intention to use it. People argue that "oh in semi you can press the trigger fast" or "all guns are lethal" Take it this way: The styer AUG can fire 700 rounds a minute, meaning it can empty a magazine of 30 rounds in a few seconds (We had to know the ins and outs of this weapon in training) imagine your AR15 or Scar or whatever the fuck you use, on automatic blazing away in the hands of some poor soul who has murder on his mind. That my friends is why it's banned. And this whole government should fear the state thing is a bit extreme. You want the government to be afraid of it's people because they are armed to the teeth? thats not a country I would live in. Your country (America I presume,) built itself on democracy and the right to freedom, not the populace holding the government with weapons. Face it you said it yourself, you don't need automatic weapons, also another point: You don't want law enforcement officers and military personnel under-gunned by civilians, it can lead to tragedy on both sides.[/QUOTE]
Exercise your rights or you will lose them. And lol you can do just as much damage with a semi auto as you can with a full auto.
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[QUOTE=Kais;23965147]America is also built around the right to bear arms (US Constitution, 2nd Amendment Right), although I do agree automatic firearms should be restricted to civilians because I'd rather not see a lunatic run around with fully automatic high powered weapons. I'm a US Marine and I'd hate to have to go up against someone with an M2 Heavy Machine Gun, armed with my humble M16A4. Also, I'm a big proponent of the proper application of well-aimed shots over spray and pray.[/QUOTE]
Why would automatic weapons automatically(lol pun) create a suicidal lunatic? Regardless of the fact that they are already legal in most states anyway, if someone is crazy enough to go on a shooting rampage in the first place it won't matter if they have an automatic or even if they just have a knife, they are not mentally sane and will do it no matter what weapon they have to use.
[QUOTE]Exercise your rights or you will lose them. And lol you can do just as much damage with a semi auto as you can with a full auto.
Why would automatic weapons automatically(lol pun) create a suicidal lunatic? Regardless of the fact that they are already legal in most states anyway, if someone is crazy enough to go on a shooting rampage in the first place it won't matter if they have an automatic or even if they just have a knife, they are not mentally sane and will do it no matter what weapon they have to use.[/QUOTE]
I can see you know very little about what damage an automatic rifle can cause. And it's funny because i pointed out your view in my post.
[QUOTE=Mabus;23966680]I can see you know very little about what damage an automatic rifle can cause. And it's funny because i pointed out your view in my post.[/QUOTE]
Elaborate please.
Once a weapon becomes automatic is doesn't suddenly fire different rounds. How does it suddenly become MASSIVELY destructive. And what exactly are we even arguing about? banning access to automatic weapons?
[QUOTE=Aman V;23966746]Elaborate please.
Once a weapon becomes automatic is doesn't suddenly fire different rounds. How does it suddenly become MASSIVELY destructive. And what exactly are we even arguing about? banning access to automatic weapons?[/QUOTE]
I have elaborated my case in my post, but since you refuse to read it in full i will repeat it. An automatic weapon such as an assualt rifle or sub-machine gun is a large degree more lethal than a semi automatic rifle. here is why:
1. Automatic weapons tend to have large magazines, often to military specs. Such as 30 rounds or in some 50. If worst comes to worst your dealing with a threat with many rounds at his disposal.
2. the rate of fire of an assault weapon is very high ( The AUG has 700 rounds per minute) If these weapons came to the hands of someone who wanted to do the deed, he could easily kill 30 or 50 people or more in under 3 seconds, imagine a mall or whatever you shop in, a church or even a school. don't tell me semi could do the same.
4. it's called an assault rifle or "machine" gun for a reason, it's not for civil use. It's design is purely for killing other human beings, and it is very good at it. 5.56 and 7.62 or even 9mm is scary coming at you, but 30 of the fuckers at 700 rounds per minute is just insane.
Why are you trying to hide your need for dangerous needless firearms behind an amendment and freedom. Can't you just stick with semi's?
[QUOTE=Mabus;23967076]I have elaborated my case in my post, but since you refuse to read it in full i will repeat it. An automatic weapon such as an assualt rifle or sub-machine gun is a large degree more lethal than a semi automatic rifle. here is why:
1. Automatic weapons tend to have large magazines, often to military specs. Such as 30 rounds or in some 50. If worst comes to worst your dealing with a threat with many rounds at his disposal.
[B]most semi automatic weapons are easily capable of having high capacity magazines. I can have my Ruger 10/22 with a 125 drum mag[/B]
2. the rate of fire of an assault weapon is very high ( The AUG has 700 rounds per minute) If these weapons came to the hands of someone who wanted to do the deed, he could easily kill 30 or 50 people or more in under 3 seconds, imagine a mall or whatever you shop in, a church or even a school. don't tell me semi could do the same.
[B]Okay so it is fear factor. Please cite an incident where a fully automatic weapon was used in a civilian massacre with that effect.[/B]
4. it's called an assault rifle or "machine" gun for a reason, it's not for civil use. It's design is purely for killing other human beings, and it is very good at it. 5.56 and 7.62 or even 9mm is scary coming at you, but 30 of the fuckers at 700 rounds per minute is just insane.
[B]Many firearms fire 5.56 (well .223 for civilians), 7.62 and 9mm regardless of their firing function.[/B]
Why are you trying to hide your need for dangerous needless firearms behind an amendment and freedom. Can't you just stick with semi's?
[B]Dangerous and needless? That's your opinion. Kitchen knives are dangerous theoretically but people don't want to ban butcher knives. They are inanimate objects. Regardless in the US you have to jump through quite a few hoops to get a fully automatic weapon as it is[/B]
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mabus;23967076]I have elaborated my case in my post, but since you refuse to read it in full i will repeat it. An automatic weapon such as an assualt rifle or sub-machine gun is a large degree more lethal than a semi automatic rifle. here is why:
1. Automatic weapons tend to have large magazines, often to military specs. Such as 30 rounds or in some 50. If worst comes to worst your dealing with a threat with many rounds at his disposal.
2. the rate of fire of an assault weapon is very high ( The AUG has 700 rounds per minute) If these weapons came to the hands of someone who wanted to do the deed, he could easily kill 30 or 50 people or more in under 3 seconds, imagine a mall or whatever you shop in, a church or even a school. don't tell me semi could do the same.
4. it's called an assault rifle or "machine" gun for a reason, it's not for civil use. It's design is purely for killing other human beings, and it is very good at it. 5.56 and 7.62 or even 9mm is scary coming at you, but 30 of the fuckers at 700 rounds per minute is just insane.
Why are you trying to hide your need for dangerous needless firearms behind an amendment and freedom. Can't you just stick with semi's?[/QUOTE]
Semi-autos are just as capable of using large capacity magazines.
A high rate of fire does not equal many casualties in a shorter period of time, just a larger expenditure of ammo in a shorter period of time.
However you're still going on about the killing capacity of the gun, which is only the focus in military use, not civil ownership.
Man, if I had a kitchen knife that could shoot 30 smaller serrated knives at 700 knives per minute I would want to ban it for civil use, but thats opinion right? sure it's theoretically dangerous and i can't use it to cut my carrots but, damn it can sure cut them son'bitchs good.
[QUOTE=Mabus;23967475]Man, if I had a kitchen knife that could shoot 30 smaller serrated knives at 700 knives per minute I would want to ban it for civil use, but thats opinion right? sure it's theoretically dangerous and i can't use it to cut my carrots but, damn it can sure cut them son'bitchs good.[/QUOTE]
unrealistic fear.
Less gun control is a SAFER country, I don't know how people don't see that. It is blatantly obvious. I don't know if we should continue debating in this thread since it isn't really what it is meant for, if you want to make a new thread or PM me and debate go ahead.
[QUOTE=Mabus;23965022]your not serious are you? an automatic weapon is [B]nothing[/B] like a sports car. Sure I love guns and i'm currently serving in my country's reserve guard, but an automatic weapon is absolutely lethal in the hands of someone with an intention to use it. People argue that "oh in semi you can press the trigger fast" or "all guns are lethal" Take it this way: The styer AUG can fire 700 rounds a minute, meaning it can empty a magazine of 30 rounds in a few seconds (We had to know the ins and outs of this weapon in training) imagine your AR15 or Scar or whatever the fuck you use, on automatic blazing away in the hands of some poor soul who has murder on his mind. That my friends is why it's banned. And this whole government should fear the state thing is a bit extreme. You want the government to be afraid of it's people because they are armed to the teeth? thats not a country I would live in. Your country (America I presume,) built itself on democracy and the right to freedom, not the populace holding the government with weapons. Face it you said it yourself, you don't need automatic weapons, also another point: You don't want law enforcement officers and military personnel under-gunned by civilians, it can lead to tragedy on both sides.[/QUOTE]
An automatic firearm is no more deadly than a semiautomatic firearm of similar or identical design, it just makes shooting faster abit easier. Which means [i]NOTHING.[/i]
[QUOTE=Mabus;23967475]Man, if I had a kitchen knife that could shoot 30 smaller serrated knives at 700 knives per minute I would want to ban it for civil use, but thats opinion right? sure it's theoretically dangerous and i can't use it to cut my carrots but, damn it can sure cut them son'bitchs good.[/QUOTE]
What's the point of banning it when I could just get it off the black market rather easily, it wouldn't be registered either. Not to mention no training in using the damn thing.
On topic rather then arguing:
anyone ever had experience or fire one of these?
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Fuck I think it'd be so nice to have
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;23963946]Clearly your opinion is marred by Hollywood movies involving bank robberies and drug lords then. I know a guy who has enough automatics to make you cry. Two Thompsons, an M1A1 and an M1928, two Brens, a MKI and MKII, an M1919, a BAR, an MP5, some French(?) SMG I forget the name of that folds up into a shape resembling a metal brick, a PPSh 41 and I think an MG34, probably some others I'm forgetting too. He also has two 20mm Hispano M2s from a P61 and last I talked to him he was looking to get a MK19.
On top of that, he's the nicest, most generous guy you'd ever meet.
As for the MK19, anyone else you might have said "Yeah, bullshit, good luck with that.", but this guy is for real, anyone who has two tanks parked in his front yard and an armoury consisting of a BAR and two 20mm cannons clearly isn't bullshitting you.[/QUOTE]People generally seem to forget those kind of guns aren't banned from civilian ownership (at least in some states), they're just massively expensive and the FBI will be doing a background check so thorough they'll be able to tell you which brand of toothpaste you used 20 years ago.
[QUOTE=Mabus;23966680]I can see you know very little about what damage an automatic rifle can cause. And it's funny because i pointed out your view in my post.[/QUOTE]The damage potential difference between the same firearm using semi-auto or auto is not that much. Perhaps even less so, due to recoil. A lunatic taking aimed shots in semi is far more lethal than a lunatic spraying on auto.
[QUOTE=Aman V;23967340]I have elaborated my case in my post, but since you refuse to read it in full i will repeat it. An automatic weapon such as an assualt rifle or sub-machine gun is a large degree more lethal than a semi automatic rifle. here is why:
1. Automatic weapons tend to have large magazines, often to military specs. Such as 30 rounds or in some 50. If worst comes to worst your dealing with a threat with many rounds at his disposal.
[/B]most semi automatic weapons are easily capable of having high capacity magazines. I can have my Ruger 10/22 with a 125 drum mag[/B]
2. the rate of fire of an assault weapon is very high ( The AUG has 700 rounds per minute) If these weapons came to the hands of someone who wanted to do the deed, he could easily kill 30 or 50 people or more in under 3 seconds, imagine a mall or whatever you shop in, a church or even a school. don't tell me semi could do the same.
[B]Okay so it is fear factor. Please cite an incident where a fully automatic weapon was used in a civilian massacre with that effect.[/B]
4. it's called an assault rifle or "machine" gun for a reason, it's not for civil use. It's design is purely for killing other human beings, and it is very good at it. 5.56 and 7.62 or even 9mm is scary coming at you, but 30 of the fuckers at 700 rounds per minute is just insane.
[/B]Many firearms fire 5.56 (well .223 for civilians), 7.62 and 9mm regardless of their firing function.[/B]
Why are you trying to hide your need for dangerous needless firearms behind an amendment and freedom. Can't you just stick with semi's?
[B]Dangerous and needless? That's your opinion. Kitchen knives are dangerous theoretically but people don't want to ban butcher knives. They are inanimate objects. Regardless in the US you have to jump through quite a few hoops to get a fully automatic weapon as it is[/B][/QUOTE]
Capacity doesn't matter. One shot can be lethal.
Nobody really uses the automatic feature. If they want to kill someone, they aim and fire in bursts.
Any caliber is scary when coming at you. Everything from the GAU-8's 30mm ammo to .17 Remington.
While I can agree that automatic weapons are somewhat useless in civilian ownership, I will also admit that I'd love owning one.
Another thing is that I know of only one killing spree where there was used automatic weapons. That's Columbine, any other spree has usually been semi-automatic pistols.
The Automatic feature is mostly for covering fire (shooting so much the enemy is afraid to shoot back), burst fire firing for precision and the fear factor. That's my view of it, and none of those fit civilian use I'll also admit.
As mom says "Never register all your guns, never know when the Nazi's are back)
I'm also beginning at gunsmith school the 23rd August. When I'm done there I'm so gonna butcher this old Krag we have laying around, I'm thinking of giving it a suppressor and maybe use it for something like deer hunting.
Also, anyone happen to have any guides on converting semi-auto weapons to automatics? The only guides I've found so far is the Shoelace-trick and the rubberband for the Beretta R93
I have to respectably disagree, but i'm tired of debate and argument. At the end of the day civilians should never have them as they are not designed for civil use, they have no purpose other than to kill, and thats my 2 cents. If you want assualt weapons so bad buy a replica, deact or semi version.
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[QUOTE=Campin Carl;23968812]Capacity doesn't matter. One shot can be lethal.
Nobody really uses the automatic feature. If they want to kill someone, they aim and fire in bursts.
Any caliber is scary when coming at you. Everything from the GAU-8's 30mm ammo to .17 Remington.
While I can agree that automatic weapons are somewhat useless in civilian ownership, I will also admit that I'd love owning one.
Another thing is that I know of only one killing spree where there was used automatic weapons. That's Columbine, any other spree has usually been semi-automatic pistols.
The Automatic feature is mostly for covering fire (shooting so much the enemy is afraid to shoot back), burst fire firing for precision and the fear factor. That's my view of it, and none of those fit civilian use I'll also admit.
As mom says "Never register all your guns, never know when the Nazi's are back)
I'm also beginning at gunsmith school the 23rd August. When I'm done there I'm so gonna butcher this old Krag we have laying around, I'm thinking of giving it a suppressor and maybe use it for something like deer hunting.
Also, anyone happen to have any guides on converting semi-auto weapons to automatics? The only guides I've found so far is the Shoelace-trick and the rubberband for the Beretta R93[/QUOTE]
I'm not even going to go there, your asking for how to convert semi's into autos is even more worrying.
I have to disagree on this whole auto fire thing. Well, disagree in some cases. I have a friend that has his class III and all his stamps. He makes plenty of money so he can afford the guns and the sheer amount of ammo he pisses. He likes to take people to his huge collection and have shoots a few times every year. It's a shitload of fun. He's never even thought of killing anybody, I'm positive. It's his hobby. But if someone like me went out and pissed the money on stamps, licenses, ammo, and the gun, there would be no point. I wouldn't be able to fund the hobby.
About the whole 'full auto is deadly' thing. One shot can kill. I've fired a decent number of fully auto weapons before and I can't hit shit using anything more than a three round burst. Something you can do with a semi gun if you're experienced enough manipulating the trigger. It's not like I'm some first time shooter either. I've had plenty of experience with guns. Bottom line is, full auto is too unstable to be all that more dangerous than semi auto. That's for anybody. From the first time shooter, to me, to a soldier.
[QUOTE=Armotekma;23963270]how much did it run you? thinking about a 92fs or that[/QUOTE]
$475 before tax, if I recall. It's got less plastic on it than a Beretta, and has a steel frame. Not that those are a bad thing.. I intend to get a Beretta after a 1911.
[QUOTE=Campin Carl;23968812]
Also, anyone happen to have any guides on converting semi-auto weapons to automatics? The only guides I've found so far is the Shoelace-trick and the rubberband for the Beretta R93[/QUOTE]
Um probably would rather go the safe route of doing it legally but I hear depending on the gun it isn't super hard
[QUOTE=Aman V;23969218]Um probably would rather go the safe route of doing it legally but I hear depending on the gun it isn't super hard[/QUOTE]
His profile says he is in Norway, so he would not be under the juridstiction of the NFA. Your best bet is to contact a local police-type authority and find out if it's legal before going any farther.
[QUOTE=Ridge;23969348]His profile says he is in Norway, so he would not be under the juridstiction of the NFA. Your best bet is to contact a local police-type authority and find out if it's legal before going any farther.[/QUOTE]
I can assume that fully automatic weapons would be prohibited in Norway.
And in that case, I suggest not trying to chop shop full auto a gun since I'd imagine you'd get in a lot of shit
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[QUOTE=Mabus;23965022]your not serious are you? an automatic weapon is [B]nothing[/B] like a sports car. Sure I love guns and i'm currently serving in my country's reserve guard, but an automatic weapon is absolutely lethal in the hands of someone with an intention to use it. People argue that "oh in semi you can press the trigger fast" or "all guns are lethal" Take it this way: The styer AUG can fire 700 rounds a minute, meaning it can empty a magazine of 30 rounds in a few seconds (We had to know the ins and outs of this weapon in training) imagine your AR15 or Scar or whatever the fuck you use, on automatic blazing away in the hands of some poor soul who has murder on his mind. That my friends is why it's banned. And this whole government should fear the state thing is a bit extreme. You want the government to be afraid of it's people because they are armed to the teeth? thats not a country I would live in. Your country (America I presume,) built itself on democracy and the right to freedom, not the populace holding the government with weapons. Face it you said it yourself, you don't need automatic weapons, also another point: You don't want law enforcement officers and military personnel under-gunned by civilians, it can lead to tragedy on both sides.[/QUOTE]
An automatic is no deadlier than a semi automatic in the right hands. The only advantage automatics have is the ability to spray suppressing fire, and suppressing fire is not meant to be deadly, only to suppress and keep enemies heads down. With a semi automatic you can place well aimed shots so 30 rounds would equal 30 kills if done correctly, on full auto it would probably only be 10 or so kills only it would happen faster, that's a shitload of wasted ammo. Just because in MW2 you can mow down a group of Russians with a comically undersized M240 doesn't mean it works the same way in the real world. In the right hands a civilian AR can be deadlier than any automatic, it's all about the person, not the tool they use.
Also do you know how many people were killed with registered machine guns when they were legal in the US? 2, and the murders were done by cops. That's two murders from 1937 to 1986.
You need to understand that there is a reason the US Army is instructed to keep their weapons on semi automatic unless instructed otherwise or they absolutely need to lay down some heavy (suppressive) fire. A decent marksman is deadlier with a semi automatic weapon than with a full automatic weapon.
The whole auto argument is bullshit. Yeah, they're pretty pointless but they are fun guns. IF you can afford them and are a good citizen, why not be able to own one? I mean, there are plenty of people I wouldn't want around one, but that's why they are so damn expensive and you have to get stamps and whatnot. Seriously. Give me an example of some corporal fuck up with a clean record who has $30,000 laying round that he/she can blow on a gun. They're just not around.
I believe everything should be available to anyone but you have to 1) be able to afford it, and 2) be able to pass through the proper legal channels (which would be extremely difficult) in order to obtain it.
Frankly they shouldn't even be that damn expensive, it's idiotic. The 1986 "Firearms Owner's Protection Act" should be repealed as it's a blatant violation of the second amendment as well as a complete waste of time and money, as it has accomplished nothing but send innocent people to jail.
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