[QUOTE=The_Guy;24456678]I personally belive the universe is to complex to have only one plane of exitance. I dont know that there is a higer power or an after life, but i have a hunch those are on a higher exitance plane. I dont claim to know anything, but i belive that something has to happen to you after death, i mean everything in nature recycles. Why not the soul( if there is one)? I have put many weeks of thought into this? and plan to make a book about my findings.[/QUOTE]
Obviously those weeks of thought you put into it weren't well spent, as you clearly how no idea of how the consciousness works. Instead of actually researching about that you resort to believing in some magical "soul".
I'm sorry if I'm rude, but this is exactly what I meant by my post. There is no logic in what you claim, in fact, it goes against logic. You simply believe in it as a result of a lack of knowledge, like most "believers".
[QUOTE=Lenni;24452704]As much as I hate to defend religion, your view on it is very narrow-minded. I bet (emphasis on bet, I'm not sure) your views aren't as scientific as you'd like them to be, in fact very few people use scientific/critical thinking outside very specific realms, and rarely apply it to things such as politics (I mean, what most people call "politics" is nothing but an absurd and bizarrely real show business), economics (the bailouts were tragicomical) and morals ("You're an immoral unicorn").[/QUOTE]
Oh trust me, my views are very scientific, I just can't be bothered with summing up all my thoughts on religion in one single post, thus you probably see what I posted as "narrow-minded". In fact, an extreme amount of critical/scientific thinking applied to everything is probably what has spawned my very scientific look at life. I enjoy spending hours thinking, researching, philosophizing and drawing conclusions from what I know and what is logical.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;24463069]Oh trust me, my views are very scientific, I just can't be bothered with summing up all my thoughts on religion in one single post, thus you probably see what I posted as "narrow-minded". In fact, an extreme amount of critical/scientific thinking applied to everything is probably what has spawned my very scientific look at life. I enjoy spending hours thinking, researching, philosophizing and drawing conclusions from what I know and what is logical.[/QUOTE]
Don't mind me when I'm an asshole, I'm kind of schizo sometimes (not actually, but I don't use my brain before I post :downs:).
[QUOTE=Smooth-e;24455960]What?[/QUOTE]
its not hard to decipher
stop rolling so much
[QUOTE=sonicrjk;24481346]its not hard to decipher
stop rolling so much[/QUOTE]
It was a weird statement, stop being gay so much
[QUOTE=sonicrjk;24481346]its not hard to decipher
stop rolling so much[/QUOTE]
Apart from the fact that you use no grammar, and didn't even specifically state anything.
[QUOTE=sonicrjk;24453723]interesting forum to put this
i bet you ruined someones high cause they started worryin and shit[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=rnate;24481530]Apart from the fact that you use no grammar, and didn't even specifically state anything.[/QUOTE]
Thank you
[QUOTE=Smooth-e;24481509]It was a weird statement, stop being gay so much[/QUOTE]
Being gay so much?
Dude...
[QUOTE=sonicrjk;24481587]Being gay so much?
Dude...[/QUOTE]
You said stop rolling so much you fiend :P, I'm done replying to your off topic ass
Did people realise they CAN and WILL be unconscious after death? I mean, just try it, knock yourself out and see if unconsciousness does or not exist. When this has been done, think about how death will make your brain rot and try convincing yourself you don't need the said brain to be conscious (you obviously do since hitting it hard did in fact make you lose consciousness). Now if you're not fully convinced, think and (please) remember how it was before life, if your conclusion is : There was no life before this one, you can now conclude that void DOES exist and logically will do again. But wait, don't lose hope, as I stated before, you will rot.. now isn't that life? Of course! Other forms of life will eat you and reproduce, you will have (not in a cool way or anything fancy like Buddhism) reincarnated into bacterias, yeasts and maybe if some people decided to eat you, humans.
That's a simplified view of mine.
[QUOTE=vachon644;24482207]you will have (not in a cool way or anything fancy like Buddhism) reincarnated into bacterias, yeasts and maybe if some people decided to eat you, humans. [/QUOTE]
:sigh:
I don't have time or the patience to type up everything I believe in but here's what Mac2468 believes in in a nutshell:
First off, I don't believe in god or any sort of spiritual entity. I never really have, not even as a child. When my mother started making me go to church when I was 5 I always thought what was taught made no sense and couldn't happen. To this day I think that. I've always been one to question beliefs. I've always been one to ask questions, to explore, to take in all the information I possibly can. Since there is no god, no afterlife all we have is now. Life is pointless if we don't learn as much as we possibly can, see as much as we can, and do as much as we can.
Drugs have not impacted my ideas of religion at all as I have always rejected the idea of a god. Drugs however have helped me understand the vastness of the human mind. The complexity of life. How important this world is to us, we're from elements from this earth, we live on this earth, and die here and are reincorporated back into the earth for later life to use us. That is how we live on, not through some afterlife where you live in the clouds where everyone dresses in white and some big invisible guy watches over the living.
Life is an amazing thing. The mere fact that life has emerged from liquid water on a small planet on the outer arm of a spiral galaxy is astonishing. The fact that one species of that life has gained sentience and knows of how we came to be seems almost impossible, but it's true. Life is precious and we should cherish it. Instead we spend our time killing each other over land. Exploiting people who are lower on the social ladder than us for the illusion that is money. We do not own land, we're borrowing it from everyone else. It makes me sad thinking about how evil today's society is, instead of spending our time expanding our mind we have to slave endlessly just to keep a home. Unless you are a privileged one born into a family higher up on the social ladder then you're taught to exploit those lower than you. I fear we may never move past this in our society.
Drugs have shown me that we are almost all the same. Yet everyday we label others. We use them. We hurt other people for our momentary gain, and maybe even for no gain whatsoever. What people need to do is look inside themselves and realize that we all came from the same thing. Our DNA is almost all the same, bare a few mutations here and there but overall we are one thing; human. We're very lucky for that.
Not entirely sure what else to add. That got really long really quick. v:v:v
I like the Socratic view as The Good and God share a lot of similarities. I don't think a lot of people know all that much about religion as they think they do and this includes religious people.
[QUOTE=Pepin;24485399]I like the Socratic view as The Good and God share a lot of similarities. I don't think a lot of people know all that much about religion as they think they do and this includes religious people.[/QUOTE]
There's not a lot to know about religion except the fact that it's bullshit. I know that sounds like something i pulled out of my ass, but you don't have to read a lot of verses in the Bible to discover its stupidity. It's like me telling a lie starting with "I had sex with a billion unicorns in one day when..." and claim that you have to hear me out to know for sure if I'm lying or not.
I believe that it is beneficial have a more open and educated opinion. Personally, I've always gravitated to wanting to be completely unbiased, this is of course impossible, but it is what I want.
At my college we read a variety of texts including the Torah, The Odyssey, some of the Bible, The Quran, and so on. What I got annoyed about was that when the class was reading Greek myths they would read and interpret it in a totally different way than when they read the Bible. When they read the myth they try to figure out what message it is trying to get across and the particulars of the story, but when reading a known religious texts all they could talk about was if they agreed or disagreed with the text. I think that the Bible or other religious texts should be read like any other book, just like how someone reads Greek myth.
[QUOTE=Pepin;24510595]I believe that it is beneficial have a more open and educated opinion. Personally, I've always gravitated to wanting to be completely unbiased, this is of course impossible, but it is what I want.
At my college we read a variety of texts including the Torah, The Odyssey, some of the Bible, The Quran, and so on. What I got annoyed about was that when the class was reading Greek myths they would read and interpret it in a totally different way than when they read the Bible. When they read the myth they try to figure out what message it is trying to get across and the particulars of the story, but when reading a known religious texts all they could talk about was if they agreed or disagreed with the text. I think that the Bible or other religious texts should be read like any other book, just like how someone reads Greek myth.[/QUOTE]
Greek mythology doesn't represent a religion. If the Bible was generally treated like the book of fairy tales that it is, then that would be fine with me, although it would then be immensely uninteresting compared to Greek mythology and I wouldn't personally want to waste time reading it.
What we call Greek mythology used to be religious texts. Many of the myths were used to explain the ways of the world, just as the Bible does. The Dao De Jing is also considered a religious text. When does a piece of literature cease to be a myth and become a religious text? Is it when enough people believe it? When does a religious text become a myth? When people stop beleiving it?
Another aspect to grasp is that there are four different ways of interpreting religious texts or myths and all of them are completely valid.
[QUOTE=Pepin;24537106]What we call Greek mythology used to be religious texts. Many of the myths were used to explain the ways of the world, just as the Bible does. The Dao De Jing is also considered a religious text. When does a piece of literature cease to be a myth and become a religious text? Is it when enough people believe it? When does a religious text become a myth? When people stop beleiving it?
Another aspect to grasp is that there are four different ways of interpreting religious texts or myths and all of them are completely valid.[/QUOTE]
That's how I feel about religion, Christianity is falling fast just as all other religions before it had. Who knows, maybe the Greeks were right and there are many gods and now that knowledge is forgotten (Well not forgotten, but no longer believed). Maybe the truth is yet to be known by us, I think that is why we make religions. To try and pretend like we shouldn't have it this good or this bad on this planet. But perhaps we should give ourselves more credit for the hard work we do here.
I believe you rot in the ground. I don't believe in ghosts, spirits or higher powers. I have no reason to.
...other than to be part of the easily controlled masses of people^^^
Every group's primary support is made up of people who really aren't making the decision for themselves, they are just either picking the group to follow that they agree with most or seem to have the best argument. But that's to be expected, the majority doesn't need to think or have informed opinions.
[QUOTE=Pepin;24559724]Every group's primary support is made up of people who really aren't making the decision for themselves, they are just either picking the group to follow that they agree with most or seem to have the best argument. But that's to be expected, the majority doesn't need to think or have informed opinions.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but the people who follow do not always know of the groups operations as a whole unit, nor is the group lead in the right direction.
I don't understand what you're trying to say.
I think he's trying to save that they're easily manipulated and misled, like sheep led into a slaughter.
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