[QUOTE=wraithcat;34443712]As to ships - obviously things like exposed bridges and similar are a pretty big idiocy. In that sense I really like sword of the stars and Nexus the jupiter incident ship designs. They've definitely got the ideas down correctly.
(nexus even has low tech human space age functional ship designs).[/QUOTE]
Bridges being exposed or even just being visible from the outside of the space ship in any way is stupid, if anything a military spaceship will have the bridge deep inside the hull, with cameras, radars and all kinds of crap placed all around the ship for guidance, kinda like modern submarines.
People usually model space ships based on modern battleships with the bridge on the highest point but realistically they would be more like submarines.
If the cameras get destroyed chances are that an exposed bridge wouldn't fare well either, besides, of course, being an easier target than cameras.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;34440427]HALO 1 IS THE BEST HALO[/QUOTE]
[editline]10th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;34633223]
I personally find hard scifi more interesting. Obviously most scifi has scientific inaccuracies or is based on only theoretical science, but as long as it's limited it's all cool. In the Revelation Space books they cannot travel FTL. There is a method they tried which resulted in a person being wiped from history, leaving no records of his existence.
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Also, this. Such a shame that hard sci-fi is so overlooked as a genre.
Ha, I laugh at your attempt to find the best dropship.
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QhrJMDbCJbs/TaIexDO9o6I/AAAAAAAAAx4/3l9Owg2Z2-8/s1600/dropship_apc.jpg[/img]
Now [I][B]THAT[/B][/I] is a cool motherfucker.
[img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110802225510/warhammer40k/images/thumb/c/ca/ImperialNavyShipClasses.jpg/514px-ImperialNavyShipClasses.jpg[/img]
Clearly the coolest fucking ships in Scifi.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;34449536]And ironically, the people who keep bringing it up, is wrong, pretty much everything in the entire OP is Science Fantasy, not pure Sci Fi.[/QUOTE]
Most of the TV shows he listed were Science Fiction. I consider Science Fantasy to be Final Fantasy & Star Wars both these franchises are Science fiction but also either have supernatural beings, supernatural abilities, magic, or divine beings etc not like Battlestar Galactica, or Halo.
[QUOTE=Hellstrom;34645494]but also either have supernatural beings, supernatural abilities, magic, or divine beings etc[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hellstrom;34645494]not like Battlestar Galactica[/QUOTE]
Uh, you've finished BSG, right? Because it has more of those than Star Wars.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;34633223]...
In the Revelation Space books they cannot travel FTL. There is a method they tried which resulted in a person being wiped from history, leaving no records of his existence.
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How would they know?
[QUOTE=Mxpklx;34439980]blah blah blah blah halo blah blah[/QUOTE]
Looks like you're the first person to discover why it's called science fiction, how could we be so naive! This is blasphemy!
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;34490848]
And when it comes to space to ground warfare, nothing beats just dropping a huge rock on your enemies.[/QUOTE]
Apart from the fact that they are ineffective, overpriced and if you are able to do an asteroid drop, the enemy already has no orbital assets whatsoever to speak off.
So why not just save yourself the time, money and resources and just jump next to the planet with your ship and glaze all population centers from orbit.
You'll probably save a few months of time at least and have a certainty that your shot are effective.
lol.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;34633223]
I personally find hard scifi more interesting. Obviously most scifi has scientific inaccuracies or is based on only theoretical science, but as long as it's limited it's all cool. In the Revelation Space books they cannot travel FTL. There is a method they tried which resulted in a person being wiped from history, leaving no records of his existence.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the guy in the Grub Lab run by H was only erased for those who observed the machinery when it malfunctioned, same for the guy that Skade was making build her FTL drive. Well, they were wiped from existence, but only those who were observing the machine had their memories wiped. H and Skade, for example, still remembered them, but if they investigated would find that they never came onto the project.
(RS is my favourite Sci-Fi universe ever, so...)
[editline]11th February 2012[/editline]
oh god late
[QUOTE=Zombii;34648477]Actually, the guy in the Grub Lab run by H was only erased for those who observed the machinery when it malfunctioned, same for the guy that Skade was making build her FTL drive. Well, they were wiped from existence, but only those who were observing the machine had their memories wiped. H and Skade, for example, still remembered them, but if they investigated would find that they never came onto the project.
(RS is my favourite Sci-Fi universe ever, so...)
[editline]11th February 2012[/editline]
oh god late[/QUOTE]
I was mainly trying to make a simple example, not explain the whole process, heh.
The Combine Empire would rule over any other sci-fi space colony anyway.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;34651703]The Combine Empire would rule over any other sci-fi space colony anyway.[/QUOTE]
That's a pretty bold claim when we know next to nothing about the real Combine forces. They took out a (modern) Earth in seven hours, but that's a long way from defeating a space empire with superweapons that can decimate all non-bacterial life in one quarter of the galaxy
[QUOTE=wraithcat;34647891]Apart from the fact that they are ineffective, overpriced and if you are able to do an asteroid drop, the enemy already has no orbital assets whatsoever to speak off.
So why not just save yourself the time, money and resources and just jump next to the planet with your ship and glaze all population centers from orbit.
You'll probably save a few months of time at least and have a certainty that your shot are effective.[/QUOTE]
Well it really depends on how well you can accelerate your impactor, a 3G+WiFi iPad travelling at 0.87c has the same energy as 16 megatons of TNT. And nobody would ever be upset about getting a free iPad.
Although in the scheme of things, it's always easier to just find another planet, there's enough of them to go around.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;34634824]Bridges being exposed or even just being visible from the outside of the space ship in any way is stupid, if anything a military spaceship will have the bridge deep inside the hull, with cameras, radars and all kinds of crap placed all around the ship for guidance, kinda like modern submarines.
People usually model space ships based on modern battleships with the bridge on the highest point but realistically they would be more like submarines.
If the cameras get destroyed chances are that an exposed bridge wouldn't fare well either, besides, of course, being an easier target than cameras.[/QUOTE]
But then they wouldn't be able to have those massive panoramic windows.
[QUOTE=Winters;34644630][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110802225510/warhammer40k/images/thumb/c/ca/ImperialNavyShipClasses.jpg/514px-ImperialNavyShipClasses.jpg[/img]
Clearly the coolest fucking ships in Scifi.[/QUOTE]
I disagree
I like my spaceships to be spaceships, not some retarded cathedral or a church
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;34651832]That's a pretty bold claim when we know next to nothing about the real Combine forces. They took out a (modern) Earth in seven hours, but that's a long way from defeating a space empire with superweapons that can decimate all non-bacterial life in one quarter of the galaxy[/QUOTE]
Yeah... So, the Star Wars writers have already gone as far as creating a laser-bomb that takes out a quarter of a galaxy in a single hit? That's just "great."
Anyway I like Combine the best!
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;34664871]Yeah... So, the Star Wars writers have already gone as far as creating a laser-bomb that takes out a quarter of a galaxy in a single hit? That's just "great."
Anyway I like Combine the best![/QUOTE]
Star Wars has terrible superweapons. No, I'm referencing A Fire Upon the Deep.
Damn superweapons.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;34661097]Well it really depends on how well you can accelerate your impactor, a 3G+WiFi iPad travelling at 0.87c has the same energy as 16 megatons of TNT. And nobody would ever be upset about getting a free iPad.[/QUOTE]
Getting that rock to 0.87c is the problem in the first place. As a little exercise, a friend and I decided to work out exactly how hard it would be to accelerate a 1kg payload to just 0.1c using a very speculative sci-fi antimatter drive with theoretical perfect efficiency and negligible mass.
We found that, even if the engine is so compact it is counted in the 1kg payload, it would require an amount of reaction mass roughly equivalent to that of several thousand of the Great Pyramid of Giza. Then it would still have no way to slow down or stop, somewhat limiting what missions it could perform.
Dropping an asteroid on a planet would still be effective, just not instant-death wipe-out-a-continent effective. There are already plans for kinetic satellites that simply drop a projectile into the right decaying orbit to hit a hardened target, operating via kinetic energy imparted by gravity alone. The thing is that if you have such orbital superiority that you can go get a rock (asteroids aren't too close to Earth orbit, after all) and drag it back, you could just hit the same target with onboard kinetic weapons and get the same effect faster.
You are all discounting psychological warfare aspects, which is something very serious to take into account if you expect to have any territory left to claim victory over.
[QUOTE=Winters;34644630][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110802225510/warhammer40k/images/thumb/c/ca/ImperialNavyShipClasses.jpg/514px-ImperialNavyShipClasses.jpg[/img]
Clearly the coolest fucking ships in Scifi.[/QUOTE]
The Emperor class is the size of a fucking moon, literally. It's around 50km, last I checked. That's 1/3 the size of an entire death star.
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;34663862]I disagree
I like my spaceships to be spaceships, not some retarded cathedral or a church[/QUOTE]
[i]Heretic.[/i]
[img]http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k/images/6/67/Img002.jpg[/img]
[i]Praise the Emperor.[/i]
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;34664995]Star Wars has terrible superweapons. No, I'm referencing A Fire Upon the Deep.[/QUOTE]
Uh, last time I checked, the Countermeasure didn't kill off all the life in a quarter of the galaxy, just extended the Slow Zone out into nearly the Beyond.
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unless you're talking about something else?
[QUOTE=patq911;34440858][IMG]http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/7/78/Borg_cube_CGI_second_variant.jpg[/IMG]
Why do ships have to be logical? Heck the Borg Cube was just a cube, but it was still one of the most deadly things in Star Trek. If it works, it doesn't have to be pretty.[/QUOTE]
Aerodynamics don't exist in space. The cube design is actually quite a good one.
I love how OP hasn't posted since he posted this OP. I think he's too scared to come back.
Haven't seen this many box ratings in a looong time.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;34664995]Star Wars has terrible superweapons. No, I'm referencing A Fire Upon the Deep.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;34651832]That's a pretty bold claim when we know next to nothing about the real Combine forces. They took out a (modern) Earth in seven hours, but that's a long way from defeating a space empire with superweapons that can decimate all non-bacterial life in one quarter of the galaxy[/QUOTE]
Countermeasure broke all technology beyond that of Earth and made species smarter than humans more dumb. It didn't directly cause any deaths, but you can imagine how many deaths it would cause from anti-gravity cars and hovering buildings on a million different planets all suddenly collapsing to the ground because the physics that powers them no longer exists.
Well, the ending of A Fire Upon The Deep does imply that tons of people died, so I guess you're correct.
[QUOTE=Zombii;34671969]Uh, last time I checked, the Countermeasure didn't kill off all the life in a quarter of the galaxy, just extended the Slow Zone out into nearly the Beyond.
[b]edit[/b]
unless you're talking about something else?[/QUOTE]
In the deepest parts of the zones nothing but single-celled life can actually survive. Higher intelligence just doesn't work. If it can expand the slow zone that much, it can definitely expand the death zone too.
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