Top 10 Fails in Science Fiction! - General

ITT everyone thinks soft science fiction is science fantasy [editline]30th January 2012[/editline] To be fair Star Wars is mildly science fantasy on in the aspect of the force.

[QUOTE=SNNS-SEAN;34449809]There's a reason that we hear aliens all speaking English - Universal translators. And with the ship design, does hull geometry matter all that much when you're in space, where aerodynamics don't matter and you're propelled by faster than light space travel?[/QUOTE] It does. Sheer and tear, armanents and a bunch of other ship matter. Like engine vents etc etc. Remember you're in space so you can't just use air resistance to maneuver. On top of that fuel is expensive so you want to conserve mass where possible.

OP doesn't know anything about Science Fiction.

Its impressive you have been able to wrap up almost 350 boxes in less than 24 hours.

Known Space kicks ass.

the viper is the most maneuverable star fighter there is.

Anyway, where would you find the universal translator? It can't be in the ship's computer because there are situations without access to it. It can't be in the communications badges for the same reason. It can't be a mental implant in Federation citizens because that would only allow the Federation to understand aliens but not the other way around. I'd also like to say that top 10 fails is the most absolutely dumb thing anything can be titled. It makes you sound like something on an internet ad.

[QUOTE=coolsteve;34454611]the viper is the most maneuverable star fighter there is.[/QUOTE] Within context of the series its pretty damn maneuverable, but only as much as the pilot is able to tolerate.

[QUOTE=I am Error;34450274]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH No wait was he serious? ... HPHPHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I find it really funny that he would say this [img]http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Reach/intel/weapons/ar.png[/img] is realistic. I mean, just look at it. Guns have never, nor will they ever, look like that for a reason. Pointless waste of metal to make something as bulky, ugly and as hard to use as possible.[/QUOTE] [img]http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as40/oicw.jpg[/img] Hi! I'm the OICW, the hardest to use, heaviest, and bulkiest rifle you will ever fire!

[QUOTE=Grasp;34454735][img]http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as40/oicw.jpg[/img] Hi! I'm the OICW, the hardest to use, heaviest, and bulkiest rifle you will ever fire![/QUOTE] Erm... I'm pretty sure that was what later became the not-so-bulky XM8.

The level of retardation is astronomical.

troll or not, good thread OP. i was heavily entertained and enjoyed the read. 10/10

The point is you can't defend a gun that has literally no way of aiming it at enemies How the fuck do marines aim that thing in Halo?

[QUOTE=latin_geek;34455075]The point is you can't defend a gun that has literally no way of aiming it at enemies How the fuck do marines aim that thing in Halo?[/QUOTE] Laser sight on gun, above the barrel (You can even see it in the pictures earlier); uplinks with their HUD on their helmets. All explained in the books. Not defending OP here, his OP is blatantly bullshit, but there is an awful lot of people in this thread who give Halo a glance and say "lol gay" without understanding a thing.

tl;dr: Halo is the best sci fi ever I love it and everything else is unrealistic because it doesn't look cool. Right?

[QUOTE=The one that is;34440083]TL;DR: Op rags on every single good and classic Sci-fi universe then praises Halo.[/QUOTE] The design in Halo was pretty good, also the universe Mass Effect made was pretty great too. Also lol what Stargate is a classic sci-fi? Pretty sure there are actual classic sci-fi's that are way better. Seriously though the biggest annoying thing to me in sci-fi is sound in a vacuum

I don't understand. Vipers are "fails" because they can't stop? No. That seems a lot more practical to me. There's no resistance in space and tiny little fighters aren't going to have all the complicated stuff to make it stop.

[QUOTE=Dr McNinja;34455361]I don't understand. Vipers are "fails" because they can't stop? No. That seems a lot more practical to me. There's no resistance in space and tiny little fighters aren't going to have all the complicated stuff to make it stop.[/QUOTE] They can stop, but due to the fact that BSG uses newtonian flight, they dont stop instantly, plus his main argument seems to be that they don't hover so they must be bad science.

[QUOTE=certified;34454941]Erm... I'm pretty sure that was what later became the not-so-bulky XM8.[/QUOTE] it became the xm8 and the xm25, both of which are much better. I do not understand how that thing ever got past the paper concept phase looking like that. I mean, the 20mm bit is cool, but holy shit, it looks like someone welded a small computer to the top.

How to fix OP's problem, call it Science Fantasy. There you go, now you should have no problem accepting why's and how's of failscience in TV shows or movies.

Science fantasy is for science fiction with supernatural or fantastical elements.

[QUOTE=certified;34455141]Laser sight on gun, above the barrel (You can even see it in the pictures earlier); uplinks with their HUD on their helmets. All explained in the books. Not defending OP here, his OP is blatantly bullshit, but there is an awful lot of people in this thread who give Halo a glance and say "lol gay" without understanding a thing.[/QUOTE] That is incredibly smart i should read the books

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;34445209]Personal failure in science fiction? Star Ship Troopers [I]movie[/I] (not book). When they begin to capture the [sp]Brain Bug[/sp] they have hand-held grenades that are the equivalent to the modern day Massive Ordnance Air Blast. And instead of using armor, they just send waves of walking casualties to put the smallest dent in the bug's forces. Why not just get a ship filled with thousands of them and have it orbit the planet dropping 15 per square mile. It would render the planet lifeless for the most part, and massive battalions of armored could drop in and fly out within a day.[/QUOTE] To be fair, Starship Troopers was supposed to be a satire. And it was. An awesome one. [editline]29th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=certified;34455141]Laser sight on gun, above the barrel (You can even see it in the pictures earlier); uplinks with their HUD on their helmets. All explained in the books. Not defending OP here, his OP is blatantly bullshit, but there is an awful lot of people in this thread who give Halo a glance and say "lol gay" without understanding a thing.[/QUOTE] This is true. Also, it should be noted that I can recall that there were iron sights on more than a few guns in the Halo universe (predominantly seen in ODST). Remember folks, what you see in the games isn't necessarily indicative of the canon, in terms of art style. Halo was designed to look futuristic but also to be connective to an audience in 2001-2011. It's Star Wars, not Star Trek. Halo is explosions and plot. The little things belong to the novels. Speaking of which, if you think scientific inaccuracy is a problem in the main series, you should read the Forerunner trilogy, the new books. Disk continents, super dyson-constructs (like a 30,000km diameter Halo and an Ark that's bigger than the one from Halo 3...which was longer at its two most distal points than a few Earths lined up...), travel around the whole of the galaxy and beyond in a matter of days, time travel, etc. [editline]29th January 2012[/editline] Also, OP, what is your gripe with Stargate? You seem to rag on it more than the other franchises. I mean, the Jaffa armor, for example. It's decorative, not protective. They make the same mistake as the Covenant in Halo, they have hubris. The [B]goa'uld[/B] (not gauld) think they're GODS. They decorate their soldiers in gear for looks, not for defense. When something like that is ingrained in a culture for thousands of years, it doesn't end in a decade. And defending against a staff weapon or zat gun isn't easy, energy weapons are a bitch to shield against. They can do a lot more damage than a kinetic weapon, kevlar doesn't solve things. The amount of armor that would be needed to shield against the weapon would be ridiculous. Better to be able to move than be hunkered down by poorly working armor. See how SG teams dress? BDUs, no real armor? That's because energy weapons [B]will fuck your shit up[/B]. Staying mobile, hidden and with a wide range of movement is much, much better than lugging around pounds of armor and gear while under fire. And injuries were a pretty big deal in the Stargate universe. Tons of SG team members, Jaffa, and Ori, were killed by one or two hits from a P90. When Carter got hit by an Ori staff in SG1, she almost died. They don't shrug these injuries off. The portrayal is pretty accurate in that regard. [editline]29th January 2012[/editline] As for FTL: Mass Effect and Star Trek have the same transit system, which is that they reduce the mass of a ship to a degree where propulsion under normal means accelerates them past [I]c[/I]. Only difference is, Mass Effect has Mass Relays, which are much more effective at long range travel, and Mass Effect achieves the...mass effect...by using Element Zero. Star Trek does it by distorting space around the ship. Stargate and Star Wars, as well as Halo, Warhammer 40k, all achieve FTL by the same means, which is travel via a "sub-space" dimension. For Stargate and Wars, it's hyperspace. Halo and Warhammer go entirely through an under dimension known as slipspace and the Warp, respectively. Warhammer is decidedly more arcane about its science, but we don't care because fucking space marines. It should be noted that Star Trek FTL is achieved via a hybrid of mass effect/sub-space drive. The ship and space around it, within a few meters, is phased out of normal dimensionality, which creates the mass effect. [editline]29th January 2012[/editline] What else can I pick apart? [editline]29th January 2012[/editline] Oh yeah, BSG and Farscape's FTL- instant travel. This one's a bit more arcane, achieved through unknown means (at least, for BSG- Farscape is basically wormhole travel like in Stargate, except on a ship scale). Ships getting damaged, you have a point. Apparently, they never discovered modern electronics. However, dramatic effect is necessary. And not for nothing, but you've never been aboard a starship under fire. It's safe to assume that we don't understand everything that could occur when one is hit by an energy weapon. As for ship designs, [B]it's a vacuum[/B]. Your ship could be a giant dildo (which, it needs to be said, should be a pivotal aspect of Saints Row 4), it doesn't matter. No air resistance to work against. There are other things to take into account, but artistic license determines scifi series. [I]Galactica[/I] and the SGC's battlecruisers in Stargate are designed to be akin to aircraft carriers. Star Trek ships are split between engineering hulls and crew decks. Halo, as I've said repeatedly, is supposed to resemble a modern day naval vessel, just in space. Well, the same styling. Clearly they do not look like space boats. okay I'm done

Scrolled through the op pretty just saw bashing of Star Wars, bashing of Battlestar Galactica, and more dick sucking for Halo than I've ever seen.

I myself prefer Firefly's flying-city destroyer thingies! [IMG]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100426191658/firefly/images/thumb/e/e7/IAVDortmunder.jpg/358px-IAVDortmunder.jpg[/IMG]

Any legitimacy you may have had went out the window when I read the word "fail".

I think the fact that all aliens look like sexy blue women is even more unbelievable.

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;34456600]Clearly they do not look like space boats.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/treasure_planet_sailing..jpg[/IMG] forget everything i said, Treasure planet had the best ships

[QUOTE=certified;34455141]Laser sight on gun, above the barrel (You can even see it in the pictures earlier); uplinks with their HUD on their helmets. [/QUOTE] Guns that need electronics to operate make me sad. Especially if they are supposed to be general-purpose weapons. It's highly unlikely for those weapons to be sturdy and durable. Also, the malfunction of laser sight/HUD pretty much renders you with a fully automatic blunderbuss (accuracy-wise at least). Then again, I like a Sci-Fi universe where a lasgun is the most basic weapon next to a Machine Gun, so my opinions are roughly invalid. Also, to add more questions, would anyone even to go as far as to propose that Dune series is Science Fiction?

[QUOTE=gufu;34458474]Guns that need electronics to operate make me sad. Especially if they are supposed to be general-purpose weapons. It's highly unlikely for those weapons to be sturdy and durable. Also, the malfunction of laser sight/HUD pretty much renders you with a fully automatic blunderbuss (accuracy-wise at least). Then again, I like a Sci-Fi universe where a lasgun is the most basic weapon next to a Machine Gun, so my opinions are roughly invalid. Also, to add more questions, would anyone even to go as far as to propose that Dune series is Science Fiction?[/QUOTE] Dune is most definitely science fiction.