Super Bunnyhop: 8th Gen Console Gaming: The Bunnyhop Review - General

[video=youtube;36F3rxHRlE4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36F3rxHRlE4[/video] Gotta say, I agree. I don't own a PS4 or One yet, but every time I think about buying one or the other, I can't bring myself to do it. I'm gonna have to get a One eventually when Rock Band 4 hits (my existing song library is on 360 and I can't not get back on the plastic instrument fun train), but right now? Nope.

I have a Playstation 4 and a Wii U (along with almost every other mainline system besides an Xbox One and a Playstation Vita, really). I still spend more time on my PC, but I actually sit down occasionally for some Smash or try playing into one of the other games I have (I really need to get into Wind Waker again, still never finished it). Despite getting my PS4 just past Christmas along with seven games, I've barely touched it because it's not all that appealing to me. The exclusives are far and distant, and the threshold of fun is low when every game that isn't an indie title on PSN wants to flaunt some cinematic graphics at the cost of fun gameplay (or alternatively are just another port). Hell, I've put more time in the PS3 HD collections of Kingdom Hearts and Metal Gear Solid I got recently than my PS4.

I hope Sony realizes that unless Microsoft is dumb enough to try always online again next generation they're not going to get another opportunity like this. From now on they're going to have to make hype, because it won't be handed to them on a silver platter. Same applies to Microsoft.

I don't see the problem, and expected this. If current game dev cycles are 3 years long, and the console has only been out a year, it only makes sense that no platform focused games are ready yet. I'm expecting some rushed games to show up for christmas, and then the good stuff to start arriving next year.

Nintendo showing how important exclusives are today. They basically have the PC market taken because they have so many games exclusive to their system, rather than the PS4 or XBONE that only have a few franchises. Between a PC and WiiU one has almost all the games out there they need. The only reason I would buy a PS4 is if a god-tier Ratchet and Clank or Jak game came out, but that seems unlikely nowadays.

with Silent Hill on thin water only god of war could get me a pS4

I don't think I'm going to buy any of the 8th gen consoles. The Wii U has a handful of Nintendo exclusives that don't interest me, a couple of Platinum games titles that aren't worth spending close to $500 just to play, the PS4 has nothing particularly interesting except Bloodborne, which might get a PC port down the line and isn't worth buying a $600 console for, the Xbone has nothing interesting, an awful user interface and terrible performance (My mate has one, it lags when you try and do anything. With the 360, you just pressed the Xbox button and the menu thing popped up. With the Xbone, you press the Xbox button, it takes a while to register that a button has been pressed, then it takes a while to exit whatever you're currently doing and go back to the menu thing. It's like trying to alt-tab on a computer from the late 90s). Ever since getting a decent PC that can play most games, I've wondered more and more why I even bothered with consoles in the first place. They overheat easily, have worse performance, games cost more, you're forced to always use a controller, etc. The one big advantage consoles had was split-screen and couch co-op, but now that's going away in favour of online co-op which they can charge money for.

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;47359485]Ever since getting a decent PC that can play most games, I've wondered more and more why I even bothered with consoles in the first place. They overheat easily, have worse performance, games cost more, you're forced to always use a controller, etc. The one big advantage consoles had was split-screen and couch co-op, but now that's going away in favour of online co-op which they can charge money for.[/QUOTE] I feel like these console issues are unique to the past couple console waves. Before we moved into the HD era, consoles had [I]amazing[/I] exclusives, generally weren't terribly expensive (even accounting for inflation), and weren't riddled with a myriad of technical issues on launch. Then came the HD era with the $599 PS3 that didn't get many good games until midway through its life, the Xbox 360 with its 20% hardware failure rate and disc scratching, and the Wii with its basically last-gen graphics, lackluster motion controls, and focus on the casual audience. I think that was the generation that started the downhill slide that really burned a lot of us older gamers out. If I think back to the generation before that, it's easy to see why I bothered with consoles. I even had a capable PC, but consoles had so much to offer back then no matter which of the big ones you went for (except for Dreamcast...). I think it's really telling that some of the bigger, more notable games still coming out today are just HD ports of games from that generation. And now this generation seems so poor so far because it feels so stagnant after the last lackluster generation. The graphics and technology aren't that big of a step up from the last gen, prices are high, and good exclusives across all competing platforms are sparse. Meanwhile, Steam and the indie scene have exploded on PC, with more and more games getting a PC port and digital distribution ensuring that you'll always find a game for cheap somewhere. I'm no analyst, so I haven't a clue where it could go from here, but one thing's for sure: this generation is off to a pitiful start and I don't see myself buying a PS4 or Xbox One until at least the end of this year. (I have a Wii U, but it was a gift so lol.)

True, up until the sixth gen, consoles were still good. You had tons of good console exclusives and good platform exclusives, plus consoles still held onto that simplicity that was part of what made them great. The loss of simplicity is another thing I would say is a huge downside for the current and the last generation of consoles. I mean, let's compare: 2001: You go to the store, you buy Halo 1, you pop the disc in your Xbox, you start playing immediately. Fucking brilliant, no muss, no fuss, just get playing as soon as possible. 2014: You go to the store, you buy the Halo Master Chief Collection, you pop the disc in your Xbox One, your Xbox One needs to update, spend ten minutes waiting for that, then the game needs to install, spend over an hour waiting for that, then the rest of the game needs to be downloaded from the internet, wait another two hours for that, launch the game, then it needs to patch, then about four hours later you can finally play your game. I don't know about you, but I know what I'd call the better experience out of those two.

Not to mention that while newer generations are plagued with design flaws and patching hell, alongside exclusivity meaning little and PCs being able to have exactly the same varied game sets, older generations are either being repackaged for HD collections or older systems are just out-and-out getting emulators. It's a weird sort of situation where the relevance of consoles at this point is mostly becoming moot since all the old convenience flew out the window, especially with the increasing reliance on digital, and now exclusive games are the only real big deal anymore.

I'm torn between getting a Wii U and/or a PS4 in the future. Xenoblade X + all other exclusives. But on the other hand, Persona 5 and Bloodborne. Not to mention all the Steam hardware that's coming out. There won't be enough dosh for all that stuff in 2015.

[QUOTE=UnMute;47359836]I'm torn between getting a Wii U and/or a PS4 in the future. Xenoblade X + all other exclusives. But on the other hand, Persona 5 and Bloodborne. Not to mention all the Steam hardware that's coming out. There won't be enough dosh for all that stuff in 2015.[/QUOTE] I recommend a Wii U first so that you can get Bayonetta or Smash Bros. or other various exclusives and fun games so long as you [i]know what you're getting into,[/i] and staving off from a PS4 until more notable games come out to justify the big priced purchase.

Firmware updates being large isn't inexcusable at all.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;47360046]Firmware updates being large isn't inexcusable at all.[/QUOTE] Inexcusable? No, definitely not. Annoying as fuck to have to go through pretty much every day? Definitely. Especially on top of (sadly necessary thanks to Blu-Ray limitations) install times and other such things. You can't just sit down and play a game on your console anymore, it's a significant time investment because every time you launch the console, it needs to update again, then the game needs to update as well, and before you know it twenty minutes have passed and you haven't even gotten to the game's title screen yet.

I remember going apeshit with watching games before release on the ps3 like MGS4 and getting hyped for the games thanks to the graphics and new gameplay. Like when I played uncharted, not much on gameplay but it was crafted as a masterpiece. Now it's mainly the same , however I won't spend a dime on the consoles untill I see something that amazes me and not something that I go : meh, it's ok but nothing else to play so ill get the console.

He says the WiiU is the only one worth buying, that the PS4 isn't worth buying because it's been a year and a half since it came out and doesn't really have good exclusive, but the WiiU has been out for two and a half years and it only has a small handful of games worth buying. Half of those are standard Nintendo games that do nothing new (Mario Kart, Smash), and the other half are made by Platinum. If you look at the consoles' lives so far they're exactly the same as the last generation, just over an extended period of time. Which makes sense when you consider each console generation lasts longer than the previous one.

I basically went through the same feelings when I bought a used PS4 a few months back. If you haven't played The Last of Us it's aaaaalmost worth buying just to play. I also have GTAV and The Evil Within which are alright and meh. Otherwise my brother and I yelling at each other over UFC is by far the most action my PS4 has seen. I am still remaining optimistic for Bloodborne. Pls save this investment. [QUOTE=Janus Vesta;47361542]He says the WiiU is the only one worth buying, that the PS4 isn't worth buying because it's been a year and a half since it came out and doesn't really have good exclusive, but the WiiU has been out for two and a half years and it only has a small handful of games worth buying. Half of those are standard Nintendo games that do nothing new (Mario Kart, Smash), and the other half are made by Platinum. If you look at the consoles' lives so far they're exactly the same as the last generation, just over an extended period of time. Which makes sense when you consider each console generation lasts longer than the previous one.[/QUOTE] I don't feel like "8th gen" is even a proper new generation. It seems like generation 7.5 or something. Maybe that's just the law of diminishing returns. [editline]20th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=theevilldeadII;47359378]with Silent Hill on thin water only god of war could get me a pS4[/QUOTE] What do you mean by Silent Hill 'on thin water'? I basically bought a PS4 for Silent Hills and Bloodborne.

[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;47362348]What do you mean by Silent Hill 'on thin water'? I basically bought a PS4 for Silent Hills and Bloodborne.[/QUOTE] Kojima is seemingly getting booted out of Konami. He's staying on as a contractor until December to finish TPP. It's not currently known if he'll still work on Silent Hill.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;47361542]He says the WiiU is the only one worth buying, that the PS4 isn't worth buying because it's been a year and a half since it came out and doesn't really have good exclusive, but the WiiU has been out for two and a half years and it only has a small handful of games worth buying. Half of those are standard Nintendo games that do nothing new (Mario Kart, Smash), and the other half are made by Platinum. If you look at the consoles' lives so far they're exactly the same as the last generation, just over an extended period of time. Which makes sense when you consider each console generation lasts longer than the previous one.[/QUOTE] Doesn't matter how long it took, at this point. We're looking at how things pan out, now. Now, the PS4 doesn't have many good exclusives to buy it. There's not much of a draw to the PS4, itself, over other consoles. The Wii U [I]does[/I] have a couple good games that you can only get on the Wii U. And hell, the anti-gravity mechanic to bring drastically different courses to Mario Kart 8 was done specifically because the Wii U had the power to do it. If you're the person who goes "Nintendo is samey, rehashy, and boring," then you'll despise the rest of the market.

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;47360493]Inexcusable? No, definitely not. Annoying as fuck to have to go through pretty much every day? Definitely. [/QUOTE] I use the Wii U every day and the only long update I've ever had was the initial firmware update. Don't own a PS4 or Xbone so I don't know about those. But I doubt it's as constant and bad as you make it seem.

[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;47362348]I don't feel like "8th gen" is even a proper new generation. It seems like generation 7.5 or something. Maybe that's just the law of diminishing returns.[/QUOTE] Using the playstation as an example, Jumping from the ill-suited Cell BE and an underwhelming 550Mhz RSX to a full blooded 8 core 64-bit AMD APU, and from 512MB split RAM to 8GB unified RAM, it should be obvious it really is a next gen console. But devs have had over 8 years to nail how to get the most out of the ps3 but less than 2 years to rush ps4 games to market. The console hasn't come close to having it's capabilities tapped yet. This is why you don't buy a console at launch. in time the new consoles will shine.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;47361542]He says the WiiU is the only one worth buying, that the PS4 isn't worth buying because it's been a year and a half since it came out and doesn't really have good exclusive, but the WiiU has been out for two and a half years and it only has a small handful of games worth buying. Half of those are standard Nintendo games that do nothing new (Mario Kart, Smash), and the other half are made by Platinum. If you look at the consoles' lives so far they're exactly the same as the last generation, just over an extended period of time. Which makes sense when you consider each console generation lasts longer than the previous one.[/QUOTE] What is SM3DW Nintendo Land Captain Toad NES remix 1 and 2 Soon Splatoon, Mario Maker, and I'm probably forgetting several. you can try and say smash, MP10 and mk8 do nothing new but you're wrong.

I wonder though... Should I get a PS4 or a new PC down the line? Right now, I play mostly on PC. It's old as hell going on 8 years, and it started having startup problems for some unknown reason after I came back home. Now it takes the equivalente of a super secret handshake that lasts 30 minutes or more, or just some careful combination of button pushing which I haven't quite figured out yet to bloody start it up. Aside from that, I play only Dota 2 or CS:GO despite having quite a large gallery of games for PC. I just don't feel like playing them or they just don't work all that well on my PC. I got Ground Zeroes but I can't even play it cuz I don't have DX11. Bought it in hopes of a new PC after I got some cash or so. Hell, this PC is so old, I can't run Dota 2 or CS:GO on max settings with enough fps to have a good performance, and quite honestly, I'm getting tired of sitting in an uncomfortable chair with a keyboard and mouse, instead of a couch and just a controller. I got a PS3, but honestly, I get bored of playing GT6 all the time. I'm just thinking about getting a PS4 and get GTAV, MGSV and Bloodborne when I start working and sort of ditch PC gaming. I don't really care for game modding and stuff like that, and I guess I'll be a whole lot more casual once I start working since my job wont allow me to be at home a lot.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;47363829]What is SM3DW Nintendo Land Captain Toad NES remix 1 and 2 Soon Splatoon, Mario Maker, and I'm probably forgetting several. you can try and say smash, MP10 and mk8 do nothing new but you're wrong.[/QUOTE] Oh I love how Nintendo fanboys intentionally misinterpret what I say. When I say "nothing new" I mean IP, of course new games in the same IP will iterate on the previous. Super Mario 3D World is just a sequel to Super Mario 3D Land, the gameplay is virtually identical and adding a cat suit and a couple of characters who jump differently isn't a revolution. Nintendo Land is just a minigame collection like Wii Sports and Wii Sports Resort. Captain Toad is just the Toad minigame from SM3DW extended into a full game. NES Remix is a cool idea and all that but from what I've heard it's a pretty poor experience. As for the games that aren't out, Splatoon looks like the kind of game that could get boring after 2 hours and if they haven't gotten rid of the stupid aiming with the gyroscope mechanic it could crash and burn quickly. Mario Maker is no where near out and we don't even know if the physics will match the tileset you're using. Here's the thing, I'm not attacking the WiiU, I'm simply pointing out that unless you're balls deep in the Nintendo bandwagon you don't give a shit about the majority of the games. If you don't care about Mario (and this may surprise you but most people [i]don't[/i]) then a huge portion of the WiiU's library is worthless to you, not even counting shit games no one cares about like ZombiU. You don't need to constantly defend Nintendo from every perceived slight against them, they can handle being compared neutrally to Playstation. I mean seriously, practically every time someone makes a post about Nintendo that isn't glowing praise you people feel the need to jump to their rescue. The WiiU is a fine console, I have nothing against it now that it actually has games, but you can't say it's doing much better than the Playstation or XBone when last year it was in exactly the same position. Except, you know, it's still trailing in the sales department. [editline]21st March 2015[/editline] "The WiiU has a better/larger library than the PS4." That tends to happen when you have a year head start.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;47364763]Oh I love how Nintendo fanboys intentionally misinterpret what I say. When I say "nothing new" I mean IP, of course new games in the same IP will iterate on the previous. Super Mario 3D World is just a sequel to Super Mario 3D Land, the gameplay is virtually identical and adding a cat suit and a couple of characters who jump differently isn't a revolution. Nintendo Land is just a minigame collection like Wii Sports and Wii Sports Resort. Captain Toad is just the Toad minigame from SM3DW extended into a full game. NES Remix is a cool idea and all that but from what I've heard it's a pretty poor experience. As for the games that aren't out, Splatoon looks like the kind of game that could get boring after 2 hours and if they haven't gotten rid of the stupid aiming with the gyroscope mechanic it could crash and burn quickly. Mario Maker is no where near out and we don't even know if the physics will match the tileset you're using. Here's the thing, I'm not attacking the WiiU, I'm simply pointing out that unless you're balls deep in the Nintendo bandwagon you don't give a shit about the majority of the games. If you don't care about Mario (and this may surprise you but most people [i]don't[/i]) then a huge portion of the WiiU's library is worthless to you, not even counting shit games no one cares about like ZombiU. You don't need to constantly defend Nintendo from every perceived slight against them, they can handle being compared neutrally to Playstation. I mean seriously, practically every time someone makes a post about Nintendo that isn't glowing praise you people feel the need to jump to their rescue. The WiiU is a fine console, I have nothing against it now that it actually has games, but you can't say it's doing much better than the Playstation or XBone when last year it was in exactly the same position. Except, you know, it's still trailing in the sales department. [editline]21st March 2015[/editline] "The WiiU has a better/larger library than the PS4." That tends to happen when you have a year head start.[/QUOTE] Your dumbed down explanations of the games is a ridiculous argument. You can do that to anything. So is your argument against developers sticking with familiar, popular, and loved IPs. "Metal Gear Solid 3 is just another stealth game" ZombiU a shit game? You're talking out of your ass, man. Also NES Remix isn't a poor experience, it's very fun, especially with friends (try to get best score in challenges) and gyroscope aiming is a god-send when done right like in the Zelda remakes.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;47366190]Your dumbed down explanations of the games is a ridiculous argument. You can do that to anything. So is your argument against developers sticking with familiar, popular, and loved IPs. "Metal Gear Solid 3 is just another stealth game" ZombiU a shit game? You're talking out of your ass, man. Also NES Remix isn't a poor experience, it's very fun, especially with friends (try to get best score in challenges) and gyroscope aiming is a god-send when done right like in the Zelda remakes.[/QUOTE] Metal Gear Solid 3 added entirely new mechanics to the series. SM3DW adds a cat suit. Hell if you want to look to Mario for innovation just look at Super Mario Sunshine or Super Mario Galaxy, they actually innovated on what 3D platformers can be. I'm not against existing IP continuing at all (in fact if you read my original post you'd see that I said the Nintendo games you're defending are the only ones worth playing). I just don't think you should buy a console for an extended version of a handheld game, an extended version of a minigame from the previous, or minigame collections. If you'd actually read my original post I was saying that the only games out now worth playing are: Mario games Super Smash Brothers Platinum games Hyrule Warriors So if you have no interest in Mario, character action games or Muso games the WiiU actually has very little to offer. It only has a handful of games, just like the PS4, just like the XBone. Only difference is the WiiU had a year advantage which Nintendo pissed away, they're just lucky Sony and Microsoft pissed away their first year too. Again, if you weren't so fucking quick to leap to Nintendo's defence because someone didn't say the WiiU is the greatest thing ever, and actually took the time to look at it from the perspective who doesn't have loyalty to any console, you'd see that there's no real reason to buy any of the consoles yet. If you love Mario and Smash and just want Nintendo's dick up your ass the WiiU is fine, otherwise there's not a whole lot going for it. The same applies to both other consoles, but the other two will also get third party titles to flesh out their libraries. Also gyroscope aiming is the worst thing, even worse than motion controls.

The thing with most of the first/second party Nintendo titles is that even though they don't really do anything new, they are polished to a point of perfection, they're just fun. Hyrule Warriors is like any other mosu game, but its just a [I]really [/I]good muso game because they made it as fun to play as possible. The best way I can describe it is like Call of Juarez Gunslinger, it's an extremely barebones shooter but they're just found a way to make it a blast fun to play without it being some huge breakthrough in game design. Smash and MK8 are basically the same as their predecessors with just a few bells and whistles but they are still both the best in their series because Nintendo knows how to make just small adjustments to good games to make them even better. Although I've never really been a fan of the Mario platformers so I can't really say anything about them. The biggest problem with the WiiU is that it's mostly geared towards either singleplayer games and most of it's third-party titles are really hit or miss. But this makes up for it with backwards compatibility with the Wii and having couch co-op support with most of its best games.

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;47359687]True, up until the sixth gen, consoles were still good. You had tons of good console exclusives and good platform exclusives, plus consoles still held onto that simplicity that was part of what made them great. The loss of simplicity is another thing I would say is a huge downside for the current and the last generation of consoles. I mean, let's compare: 2001: You go to the store, you buy Halo 1, you pop the disc in your Xbox, you start playing immediately. Fucking brilliant, no muss, no fuss, just get playing as soon as possible. 2014: You go to the store, you buy the Halo Master Chief Collection, you pop the disc in your Xbox One, your Xbox One needs to update, spend ten minutes waiting for that, then the game needs to install, spend over an hour waiting for that, then the rest of the game needs to be downloaded from the internet, wait another two hours for that, launch the game, then it needs to patch, then about four hours later you can finally play your game. I don't know about you, but I know what I'd call the better experience out of those two.[/QUOTE] You literally have no idea what you're talking about. This Xbox one only concept you're describing is literally every game nowadays. And its not as dramatic as you make it seem. You can play your game after 50% install and it takes less than 5 minutes. Same goes for downloaded patches.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;47362730]hes saying silent hills is in jeopardy due to konami being restructured and all[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=elowin;47362778]Kojima is seemingly getting booted out of Konami. He's staying on as a contractor until December to finish TPP. It's not currently known if he'll still work on Silent Hill.[/QUOTE] I didn't know about any of this. That means Konami keeps the rights to MGS and Silent Hill and Kojima goes on his own way?

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;47364763]Oh I love how Nintendo fanboys intentionally misinterpret what I say. When I say "nothing new" I mean IP, of course new games in the same IP will iterate on the previous.[/quote] Labeling anyone who disagreed with your viewpoint as "fanboys" doesn't make your point any more appealing/valid. If it really was an misinterpretation, then you wouldn't have spent the time elaborating an argument against all of their points. If they misinterpreted you then, then they aren't, now. [QUOTE=Janus Vesta;47364763]"The WiiU has a better/larger library than the PS4." That tends to happen when you have a year head start.[/QUOTE] Okay and? I guess PS4 should have released a year earlier, then. I don't get your point. At this point in time, Wii U seems to be the preferred console, so it looks like their approach was better. [editline]21st March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Janus Vesta;47367661]Only difference is the WiiU had a year advantage which Nintendo pissed away, they're just lucky Sony and Microsoft pissed away their first year too.[/QUOTE] ??? Which is it? Did they piss it away, or did their year give them time to build up a library?