• Armed Antifa group and Inforwars Reporter square off.
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[QUOTE=Tudd;52965688]They are both agitating groups. I found the encounter the part worth sharing; I am not trying to say Info Wars is worth defending as a group. But one group is a hell of a lot more intimidating though and blocking people from moving around in a public park. That is more worrying than one annoying Info Wars correspondent.[/QUOTE] The other group actively working to erode basic rights and equality is more worrying. Especially since [B]every statistic shows that hate crime on minorities is on the rise.[/B] Compared to what happens literally every signle day in small incidents but huge numbers the shit you are so worried about is pitiful. Once again one of your threads where you try to paint a picture by picking out an incident and post it in some indirect dishonest try to generalize . [editline]11th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Tudd;52965712]moving up the polarization that needs to stop happening.[/QUOTE] Aaaaaahhhhh [url]https://facepunch.com/search.php?searchid=8274630[/url]
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;52965695]I find it worrying that the infowars guy is trying to get himself killed and that the police have to step in and pull him away, just like the guy in the [i]other[/i] thread. The cops don't see any real problem with it, and neither do I. There's only one antagonistic group here, and it's infowars.[/QUOTE] I hate info wars as much as the next guy but these antifa guys have no right to block enternce to anything. Who do they think they are?
They have no right to block access to a public park in any shape way or form, antifa are scum.
Where did this happen?
[QUOTE=Tudd;52965712]but I think the ones that block people like this are moving up the polarization that needs to stop happening.[/QUOTE] Is the "I only became a nazi because liberals made me upset" thing not a fucking meme?
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;52965878]What about when White Supremacist groups were doing the same shit? Where was your outrage?[/QUOTE] Conveniently quiet
To be fair and while I very much dislike Tudd and disagree with pretty much 98% of what he says if the roles were switched and you had "alt-right protestors" armed with [I]guns[/I] you would be singing a much different tune. Even if they were acting exactly as these "Antifa" fellows were. Protesting armed with guns never carries a good intent even if its for protection and so on. No side is clean in any of this and while the alt-right has been quite more violent we cant ignore the several other cases of alt left attacking people unprovoked and the victims being unarmed. Bikelock man comes to mind. I agree with the opinions of this thread but I just disagree how none of this is the least bit "scary" to any of you. It feels like, again, a symptom of Tudd posting it and everyone trying to take the high ground above the guy again. This happens alot. No matter Tudds post if the content on its own is good or not if the name is Tudd then we have an issue. Its like two items one generic brand the other commercial brand like Kellog. Except you despite Tuddogs cereal so you go out of your way to get genericbran and spit on the boxes of Tuddogs TL;dr every side is violent some more than others but we cant just give one side a clean slate because theyre against what we do not like. Criticism of both sided and understanding the issues is like the first step to ever fixing this divide we have. But doing thisbonly drives the divide more. "Us vs Them" mentality.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52965703]Anyone else think it's fuckin crazy how Infowars has gone from the resistance force against what they saw as a globalist, elitist centralized power structure that wanted to disarm the citizenry and quell dissent, to the force that actively backs the sitting government and criticizes people for arming themselves and speaking out against the governments actions?[/QUOTE] In their confusion as to what constitutes reality, they have convinced themselves that Donald Trump is "one of them." His conspiracy theorist leanings cause them to not only ignore the fact that all he's done has been in service of amassing power and personal wealth, they will convince themselves that this is actually good for them, and that it's what they wanted all along. This is what happens when your beliefs are based on lunacy rather than evidence.
[QUOTE=Derpmonster;52966791]I agree with the opinions of this thread but I just disagree how none of this is the least bit "scary" to any of you. It feels like, again, a symptom of Tudd posting it and everyone trying to take the high ground above the guy again. This happens alot. No matter Tudds post if the content on its own is good or not if the name is Tudd then we have an issue.[/QUOTE] It isn't that anyone wants to take the high ground above Tudd. It's that you have to call out the propaganda when you see it or people will stop realizing it's propaganda. Tudd didn't post this video because he thought it was interesting or good content. He posted it to push people towards a certain political ideology.
[QUOTE=Derpmonster;52966791]To be fair and while I very much dislike Tudd and disagree with pretty much 98% of what he says if the roles were switched and you had "alt-right protestors" armed with [I]guns[/I] you would be singing a much different tune. Even if they were acting exactly as these "Antifa" fellows were. Protesting armed with guns never carries a good intent even if its for protection and so on. No side is clean in any of this and while the alt-right has been quite more violent we cant ignore the several other cases of alt left attacking people unprovoked and the victims being unarmed. Bikelock man comes to mind. I agree with the opinions of this thread but I just disagree how none of this is the least bit "scary" to any of you. It feels like, again, a symptom of Tudd posting it and everyone trying to take the high ground above the guy again. This happens alot. No matter Tudds post if the content on its own is good or not if the name is Tudd then we have an issue. Its like two items one generic brand the other commercial brand like Kellog. Except you despite Tuddogs cereal so you go out of your way to get genericbran and spit on the boxes of Tuddogs TL;dr every side is violent some more than others but we cant just give one side a clean slate because theyre against what we do not like. Criticism of both sided and understanding the issues is like the first step to ever fixing this divide we have. But doing thisbonly drives the divide more. "Us vs Them" mentality.[/QUOTE] That's not the case at all, everyone here realizes that the people in the video are idiots. It's just that his thead history proves pretty well that he posts videos for the "them antifa/liberals/sjws are at it again" effect
[QUOTE=Killuah;52966818]That's not the case at all, everyone here realizes that the people in the video are idiots. It's just that his thead history proves pretty well that he posts videos for the "them antifa/liberals/sjws are at it again" effect[/QUOTE] Well yes but I do not see very many people claiming theyre idiots. Several of them are passing it off as "their right to be armed" and so on. Not to call anyone out but the first reply for example. Not to say there isnt others posting as you claim, there are but its definetly not the general consensus.
I do think bringing weapons out in public is an intimidation tactic. The infowars people complaining about that, however, is incredibly disingenuous and hypocritical
Loving this 10 minute video of a guy walking around trying not to cry while calling everyone pussies, thank you for this lovely video Tudd
They have the right to armed in public but it's not socially accepable to carry AR15's and cover your face. The hammer and sickles don't help either. Also, it's funny to see people advocate for communism while at the same time exercising 2A rights, something you would never get in a communist country. .. Well you wouldn't get free speech either so it's a double whammy of irony. They're no better than skinheads really.
[QUOTE=Episode;52967162] They're no better than skinheads really.[/QUOTE] Nazis are in line right behind ISIS for ideologies that need to be snuffed out, can't really say the same for the Anti Fascists.
[QUOTE=Episode;52967162]They have the right to armed in public but it's not socially accepable to carry AR15's and cover your face. The hammer and sickles don't help either. Also, it's funny to see people advocate for communism while at the same time exercising 2A rights, something you would never get in a communist country. [/QUOTE] To be fair, they wouldn't get to exercise their 2A rights in most western liberal democracies either. Though funnily enough, a right to bear arms is one of the few issues that the far-left and rightwingers tend to share some common ground, they view gun ownership as integral to securing complete power for the working class.
[QUOTE=Derpmonster;52966791]To be fair and while I very much dislike Tudd and disagree with pretty much 98% of what he says if the roles were switched and you had "alt-right protestors" armed with [I]guns[/I] you would be singing a much different tune. Even if they were acting exactly as these "Antifa" fellows were. Protesting armed with guns never carries a good intent even if its for protection and so on. No side is clean in any of this and while the alt-right has been quite more violent we cant ignore the several other cases of alt left attacking people unprovoked and the victims being unarmed. Bikelock man comes to mind. I agree with the opinions of this thread but I just disagree how none of this is the least bit "scary" to any of you. It feels like, again, a symptom of Tudd posting it and everyone trying to take the high ground above the guy again. This happens alot. No matter Tudds post if the content on its own is good or not if the name is Tudd then we have an issue. Its like two items one generic brand the other commercial brand like Kellog. Except you despite Tuddogs cereal so you go out of your way to get genericbran and spit on the boxes of Tuddogs TL;dr every side is violent some more than others but we cant just give one side a clean slate because theyre against what we do not like. Criticism of both sided and understanding the issues is like the first step to ever fixing this divide we have. But doing thisbonly drives the divide more. "Us vs Them" mentality.[/QUOTE] It's actually alright to treat it differently if it were alt-right protestors that were armed because one group is composed of violent racists, many of which would like to install a fascist government, whereas the other group is composed of people in the community who organise around spreading awareness for and stopping the actions of the former.
[QUOTE=Carlito;52967799]It's actually alright to treat it differently if it were alt-right protestors that were armed because one group is composed of violent racists, many of which would like to install a fascist government, whereas the other group is composed of people in the community who organise around spreading awareness for and stopping the actions of the former.[/QUOTE] Ehhhhhhhhhh, they also are composed of violent Marxists willing to fight off other class enemies/dissenters, and many of which would like to install an totalitarian government. At the end of the day history rightfully condemns both political extremes of the Swastika or Hammer & Sickle-types.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52967825]Ehhhhhhhhhh, they also are composed of violent Marxists willing to fight off other class enemies/dissenters, and many of which would like to install an totalitarian government. At the end of the day history rightfully condemns both political extremes of the Swastika or Hammer & Sickle-types.[/QUOTE] Had the Democrats been as soft over the years on extreme leftists as the Republicans have been on radicals on the right, I'd happily condemn antifa as constantly as you. As I see it, they currently hold no serious political foothold, and I can't in good conscience pretend they're an equal threat. The Republicans have, and continue to, strengthen radicalism either by inaction, or by explicitly attempting to appeal to racists, misogynists and religious fundamentalists. Extreme influences have reached mainstream Right-wing politics to a level that's simply not seen on the American left.
[QUOTE=Krumbumpus;52965993]Plus ya know the hammer & sickle bandanas, that shit's easily as despicable/retarded as infowars mcgee out there. I have a friend that has these godawful chest tattoos he got when he was young where one side is an A for anarchy and the other is an E for equality, reminds me of that lol. Like just think about how incompatible those are for 10seconds, "we want anarchy but also communism"[/QUOTE] you sound far more of an idiot than you think your friend is. anarchists don't want anarchy as in the concept we teach to 5 y/o. it's a tad more complicated than that and you should know. there have a fun read [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism[/url]
[QUOTE=Tudd;52967825]Ehhhhhhhhhh, they also are composed of violent Marxists willing to fight off other class enemies/dissenters, and many of which would like to install an totalitarian government. At the end of the day history rightfully condemns both political extremes of the Swastika or Hammer & Sickle-types.[/QUOTE] Your criticism falls kinda flat when you voted for trump.
That is a beautiful park! Wish the human garbage (read "people who have a minimal clue about the ideology they're supporting and haven't read history at all") would just leave.
I'm confused, I thought conservative idealism supported gun culture / open carry? Or is it just only allowed for said conservatives and nobody outside of that group? [editline]11th December 2017[/editline] IIRC, didn't this very OP post a thread about liberal groups learning & expressing more 2nd Amendment rights? [editline]11th December 2017[/editline] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1583057&highlight="]Oh yeah, this one.[/URL] [QUOTE=Tudd;52811059]As long as it is self-defense, community building, and empowerment; Good for them and I think it is a fantastic bonding activity.[/QUOTE] [editline]11th December 2017[/editline] so I guess it's [I]cute[/I] when they do it in their backyards but when they do it in [I]practice?[/I] Man, there's nothing scarier to a conservative than a liberal expressing the very amendment that conservatives so adamantly champion! [editline]11th December 2017[/editline] like come the fuck on there are police in the video [I]right there[/I] overseeing everything and making sure it's all fine.
[QUOTE=General J;52968267]I'm confused, I thought conservative idealism supported gun culture / open carry? [/quote] Except it isn't just people demonstrating their 2nd amendment (Which I still support their right to do so). They are also blocking public areas and generally working like a militant group to stop dissenters. Luckily, they appear to be hardcore larpers for the most part, but still not a harmless group. [quote] [editline]11th December 2017[/editline] so I guess it's [I]cute[/I] when they do it in their backyards but when they do it in [I]practice?[/I] Man, there's nothing scarier to a conservative than a liberal expressing the very amendment that conservatives so adamantly champion! [editline]11th December 2017[/editline] like come the fuck on there are police in the video [I]right there[/I] overseeing everything and making sure it's all fine.[/QUOTE] I support their 2nd Amendment rights to do that to the fullest capacity. But I think it is fairly obvious there is a difference between a gun club, and intimidating/blocking people at a public park, regardless of the political ideology those groups stand behind. I am astonished you can't reconcile that difference.
[QUOTE=General J;52968267]I'm confused, I thought conservative idealism supported gun culture / open carry? Or is it just only allowed for said conservatives and nobody outside of that group? IIRC, didn't this very OP post a thread about liberal groups learning & expressing more 2nd Amendment rights? ...so I guess it's [I]cute[/I] when they do it in their backyards but when they do it in [I]practice?[/I] Man, there's nothing scarier to a conservative than a liberal expressing the very amendment that conservatives so adamantly champion![/QUOTE] Oh shit, I forgot he did that. I even commented in that thread and everything. But yeah, apparently it's perfectly okay if liberals seek out guns because they're terrified of the Nazis marching on public streets (who are well in their right to do so, every Nazi-sympathizer will readily and enthusiastically remind you), but if it's the liberals who take their guns and march, it's "worrying, polarizing, and not helping a healthy political environment."
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;52968396]Oh shit, I forgot he did that. I even commented in that thread and everything. But yeah, apparently it's perfectly okay if liberals seek out guns because they're terrified of the Nazis marching on public streets (who are well in their right to do so, every Nazi-sympathizer will readily and enthusiastically remind you), but if it's the liberals who take their guns and march, it's "worrying, polarizing, and not helping a healthy political environment."[/QUOTE] Again, Gun Club vs Political Militants at a rally blocking off areas.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52968425]Again, Gun Club vs Political Militants at a rally blocking off areas.[/QUOTE] Look, you're not fooling anyone. Back during Charlottesville, you gave the dude who drove his car into liberal counter-protesters the benefit of the doubt, saying that everyone should wait for more details to come out before assuming he did it on purpose, no matter how obvious it was that it was a terrorist attack. You even said, on August 12th: [QUOTE=Tudd;52565992]Like I said, I personally think this is intentional. If it turns out to be neo-nazi and pre-meditated, I am just as scared about that and what it means for the escalation of violence at these protests.[/QUOTE] And once conclusive proof rolled in that the attacker was a Neo-Nazi, did you change your tune? No, you stayed silent all the way until August 15th, when you showed up to give the Nazis themselves the benefit of the doubt: [QUOTE=Tudd;52576490]The problem is that people are assuming every person in that march is going to fulfill tenants of National Socialism to the fullest degree. The reality is that a majority of them just seem to be White identitarians/nationalists like Richard Spencer. Which is completely detestable, but is different than the usual breed of Neo-nazis/KKK members of recent past.[/QUOTE] So what happened to being "scared" about the nazis? Why did you suddenly pivot to downplaying the threat they posed? And now here you are, telling us to be worried about Antifa. Gee, maybe you're just a little bit more comfortable with one militant group than the other. Raidyr wrecked you on page one so I don't even know why you're still trying to hold this ground. [QUOTE=Raidyr;52965731]This is the political environment that people like Trump, the Republican party, Infowars, Tucker Carlson, the rest of Fox, and people like you have created. When it was AIDS skrillex and soy boys and the idea of a liberal millennial was an out of touch Starbucks sipping womens studies college student it was funny but now they are using the exact same tactics your side has used for years and now you are worried about creating a "healthy political environment"? It's a bit fuckin late for that dude.[/QUOTE] I'm out of here, btw. I know how you operate and I know I won't get an honest reply from you. Consider this post a tribute to the people who have the patience to deal with this sort of hypocrisy on a post-by-post basis.
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;52968507]Look, you're not fooling anyone. Back during Charlottesville, you gave the dude who drove his car into liberal counter-protesters the benefit of the doubt, saying that everyone should wait for more details to come out before assuming he did it on purpose, no matter how obvious it was that it was a terrorist attack. You even said, on August 12th: And once conclusive proof rolled in that the attacker was a Neo-Nazi, did you change your tune? No, you stayed silent all the way until August 15th, when you showed up to give the Nazis themselves the benefit of the doubt:[/quote] Am I obligated to make such a response? It was obviously terrible and already stated that with my post during the investigation of it. Besides I make threads on Neo-nazis quite often to highlight on them. Like this one I made just [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1588418&p=52967277&viewfull=1#post52967277]9 hours ago[/url]. [quote]So what happened to being "scared" about the nazis? Why did you suddenly pivot to downplaying the threat they posed? And now here you are, telling us to be worried about Antifa. Gee, maybe you're just a little bit more comfortable with one militant group than the other.[/quote] And yes, I still stand behind my statement on the matter. People use the term Nazi so broadly that it is worthy to point out differences. Has nothing to do with defending them. [quote] Raidyr wrecked you on page one so I don't even know why you're still trying to hold this ground.[/quote] Mostly because I don't agree with the hyperbole situation they mustered up. People already know this and I am sure we don't need to go into a sidetrack debate about President Trump every thread. [quote] I'm out of here, btw. I know how you operate and I know I won't get an honest reply from you. Consider this post a tribute to the people who have the patience to deal with this sort of hypocrisy on a post-by-post basis.[/QUOTE] So question, do you think there is no difference between a gun club and political militants who block people at a public park? Because you seem to think I am a hypocrite on this point, but I really don't see what the inconsistency is unless you believe this.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;52965878]What about when White Supremacist groups were doing the same shit? Where was your outrage?[/QUOTE] It's not the same when their towing his team's flag
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