The only thing I'd take from the prequels and throw into the original trilogy is the lightsaber choreography. Even though in TPM it was pretty dodgy (above) it was far more interesting and exciting than the spoon-up-the-ass tin-man fencing they had in the original films
[QUOTE=Fort83;47542302]Prequels were good. No where near as good as the originals, but still good.[/QUOTE]
No they weren't. Here's why
[img]http://www.clickmaza.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/How-George-Lucas-makes-his-movies.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Maloof?;47543781]The only thing I'd take from the prequels and throw into the original trilogy is the lightsaber choreography. Even though in TPM it was pretty dodgy (above) it was far more interesting and exciting than the spoon-up-the-ass tin-man fencing they had in the original films[/QUOTE]
Disagree entirely. The prequel trilogys action had absolutely no soul whatsoever.
When you see Luke hacking away at vader in ep. 6, it means something. That rage is palpable, and it's showing through in his fighting style. Every fight in the prequels is the exact same boring, sterile garbage.
edit: Should also clarify that I haven't seen the prequels since Episode 3 was in theaters, so I may be misremembering a lot of the fighting.
Although if rumors are to be believed (and I hope they are) three actors from [sp]The Raid: Redemption[/sp] have some sort of role in the making of this movie, and if that's true, we'll get some good stuff
[QUOTE=Whiplash~;47543833]No they weren't. Here's why
[img]http://www.clickmaza.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/How-George-Lucas-makes-his-movies.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-prequels-miniatures/[/url]
[url=http://boards.theforce.net/threads/practical-effects-in-the-prequels-sets-pictures-models-etc.50017310/]And here's a good thread countering what you posted. [/url]
i feel like the voice over is luke's son played by domhnall gleeson. mark hammills way too old to sound like that
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the 'you have that power too' screams domhnall
oh yeah, just noticed this is going to be in 3D. woooo
[QUOTE=Gamerman12;47543657]seeing harrison ford happy again just melts my heart[/QUOTE]
It was very fitting and rewarding that he was in the trailer since he couldn't be there himself :)
haha that stand in, that thread has a lot of awesome pictures
[t]http://s14.directupload.net/images/140104/d667r53o.jpg[/t]
It wasn't really the fact they that used CGI that made it bad but the way they used it, George had a lot of weird obsessions like "Frame Density" and he thought shoehorning random stuff in scenes somehow made a better movie for example.
[QUOTE=Niven;47543855][url]http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-prequels-miniatures/[/url]
[url=http://boards.theforce.net/threads/practical-effects-in-the-prequels-sets-pictures-models-etc.50017310/]And here's a good thread countering what you posted. [/url][/QUOTE]
not a rant to specifically you but
basically all storm troopers and scenes were pretty much all mostly cgi
the actors acted on a green screen and it REALLY shows
I don't see how green screening actors into a prop scene makes it not green screen
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I mean shit, there is nothing wrong with green screen but every single scene was done that way, and it was done really badly. the CGI was shit even for its time and Lucas ignored his previous philosophy. If you have every scene green screen and everything CGI and actors can't see what they're doing, they'll act like amateurs.
Every scene was CGI/green screened to the point where the fact that they used scale models literally couldn't matter at all.
The actors were emotionless and really awful, it's probably the worst movie I've seen that people take seriously.
All Lucas was, was a kid with a fancy toy. He had the philosphy that if you worry about the scene too much you take away from the magic. In the prequals he forgot all of that and literally the only thing he cared about was CGI and making the movie "Family friendly"
ep3 was good because of order 66, outside of that and just nah
also the battle scenes, which IMO should have been longer especially the Kashyyyk beach fight
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oh and Palpatine, like Butt said
Speaking of miniatures, the giant trees on kashyyyk I was surprised to learn were miniatures. I always assumed they were CG like 99% of the shots on the planet were
[QUOTE=Joazzz;47544600]also the battle scenes, which IMO should have been longer especially the Kashyyyk beach fight
[editline]17th April 2015[/editline]
oh and Palpatine, like Butt said[/QUOTE]
Palpatine was fucking great though. Ian McDiarmid unleashed the hammy villanousness he had to hold in for two movies. :v:
[QUOTE=Maloof?;47543781]The only thing I'd take from the prequels and throw into the original trilogy is the lightsaber choreography. Even though in TPM it was pretty dodgy (above) it was far more interesting and exciting than the spoon-up-the-ass tin-man fencing they had in the original films[/QUOTE]
I feel there is a balance to be struck between the two.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;47543929]i feel like the voice over is luke's son played by domhnall gleeson. mark hammills way too old to sound like that
[editline]17th April 2015[/editline]
the 'you have that power too' screams domhnall[/QUOTE]
I thought it was supposed to be Luke's son as well, especially given the present-tense 'my father has it'. The dialogue fits, too, it's just the visual of Darth Vader's mask that doesn't fit the theory, but it could be a deliberate red herring.
[QUOTE=Rufia;47544747]I feel there is a balance to be struck between the two.[/QUOTE]yeah make it somewhat acrobatic if you want but the combatants need to be actively trying to kill eachother instead of "predicting every move with the Force" or some bullshit like that
I'm going to fucking explode with hype
[QUOTE=Maloof?;47543781]The only thing I'd take from the prequels and throw into the original trilogy is the lightsaber choreography. Even though in TPM it was pretty dodgy (above) it was far more interesting and exciting than the spoon-up-the-ass tin-man fencing they had in the original films[/QUOTE]
i literally cannot pick out a single lightsaber fight except for the locations that they're in. if you just showed me the unedited greenscreen footage i would have no idea at all what emotions or plot details are supposed to be at play during the fight or when in the movie they're supposed to take place. it's so heartless and sterile it's like chewing a medical bandage
[QUOTE=Joazzz;47544872]yeah make it somewhat acrobatic if you want but the combatants need to be actively trying to kill eachother instead of "predicting every move with the Force" or some bullshit like that[/QUOTE]
I was going to disagree with you, but then I thought about it.
The reason the duels were so tense/tactical between Luke, Vader and Obi-wan is because there's a tremendous history, emotion and passion between all three of them. Luke at first is afraid of Vader because he killed his father, and is only new to the force, then Luke finds out and then is tame because he now knows that Vader is his father, and he doesn't want to kill him. Obi-wan held Vader off so that Luke could see his demise, strengthening Luke's resolve whereas Vader wanted to taunt Obi-wan, his former master as to how now he is the master, as it's their first reunion since Mustafar. Vader held back against Luke because he never wanted to kill him, he told himself that it was because his Master wanted him alive, but with the conflict Luke felt inside of him, he never wanted to kill him, or see him be killed.
In the prequels there is no [I]real[/I] chemistry between combatants like we saw in the originals, maybe except between Obi-wan and Maul after Qui-Gon's death (and possibly Yoda/Sideous). I feel as though the fight between Anakin and Dooku had it just right. There was chemistry, a bit of intimidation on both sides, and Anakin wanted him dead just enough for him to be going all-out. I think the duel between Anakin and Obi-wan went a little reverse in this trend, as it was a LOT more aggressive than even Obi-wan/Maul and Windu/Sideous. It just doesn't fit in with every other fight in the saga. It shouldn't have been [I]that[/I] full-on, considering every other duel that took place and the circumstances therein.
Also let me just take a moment to internally laugh at how much Mace Windu wiped the floor with Jango Fett.
My favourite duel is most definitely the one between Luke and Vader on the deathstar, where neither of them actually want to hurt each other, they're just playing a game of chess. It's excellent to watch.
i think the biggest example of the fighting's sterility is how anakin is supposed to have this tangible seething rage beneath the surface that everyone can sense from the start, but he still fights pretty much exactly the same as all the jedi dudes until the final fight so the audience is just like "i guess he feels angry now"
and then he has to pull an exaggerated grumpy gus face to hammer home that he is indeed angry now
>:(
I can not even bring myself to accept one single thing about the new movies that is done well. Everyone acts like robots in some weird political drama that makes no sense. Even the robots act more like people than the actors did. The scenes will filled to the brim with useless filler CGI, and when it wasn't an action scene it was a boring over-the-shoulder 2 person spaghetti dialogue that sounded like I typed it into Microsoft Sam.
The only good thing about all 3 movies was the music and the pod racing scene.
No really, imagine watching Ep 1 without the pod racing scene. Now imagine being able to survive that ordeal.
Sorry, I could go into a huge amount of reasons why the prequels were shit, but also note that I am a jaded 27 year old who grew up with even the PRE-SPECIAL EDITION movies. I remember when I was like 10 and I went to the fucking theater to see the special edition of all 3 movies, and how I was sort of weirded out about what they did to Jabba's Palace and how the mysteriousness of the Sarlacc was ruined and turned into some CGI beak thing. Yes I know I sound like some retro hipster faggot but really if you can't see that the prequels were just a special FX merchandising cash grab you need to think about the politics of cinema a little bit more and how GL became everything he hated in the first place.
The character of Anakin had SO MUCH potiential. He's a fucking great character with a lot of depth and emotional range. But the prequels just took a huge steaming dump on him. It's not even wholly Hayden christensnnensnens fault, it's hard to pull off an amazing performance when you've got a script that awful and sand getting everywhere.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;47545114]The character of Anakin had SO MUCH potiential. He's a fucking great character with a lot of depth and emotional range. But the prequels just took a huge steaming dump on him. It's not even wholly Hayden christensnnensnens fault, it's hard to pull off an amazing performance when you've got a script that awful and sand getting everywhere.[/QUOTE]
That's because GL doesn't know how to direct actors at all (or anything)
remember he didn't direct ESB or ROTJ
[QUOTE=Glitchman;47545141]That's because GL doesn't know how to direct actors at all (or anything)
remember he didn't direct ESB or ROTJ[/QUOTE]
You're right on your first point but don't be hating on A New Hope that's my favourite movie EVER. :v:
The lightsabers sucked in the prequels too, they are not supposed to be static glowsticks.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47544773]I thought it was supposed to be Luke's son as well, especially given the present-tense 'my father has it'. The dialogue fits, too, it's just the visual of Darth Vader's mask that doesn't fit the theory, but it could be a deliberate red herring.[/QUOTE]
Luke says the exact same thing in Return of the Jedi, though. It sounds like it's just a higher quality version of that.
[QUOTE=The Rizzler;47541843]
Vader is fucking terrifying in that first clip. It's undeniably crude and a little slow, but every swing looks like it's going to chop either of them into pieces, and the camerawork is sensational. Obi and Vader's fight in the first movie has the same effect
I've actually had arguments with people over this crap, unsurprisingly, but disappointingly[/QUOTE]
Oh my god, this crap again.
I, for the time in my life, could NEVER understand what people found in "original trilogy duels are 100000x better!!!!!! FUCKING ACROBATIC SHIT".
Just look at how they fight. One is a powerful Force user, another is untrained yet aspiring Jedi, but the way they fight is so unrealistic (in terms of immersion) and slow, amateur even. In the end, they are just swinging lightsabers at each other. Take a close look at the 1:15 and 1:22 moments, at 2:20 and 2:40. Luke there's literally just trying to mash Vader's sword instead of trying to incapacitate him. It doesn't look like a proper fight. It lacks viciousness, aggressiveness, pragmatism of a real battle. That scene, in my unpopular opinion, is just there to build tension. As a fight, it fucking sucks.
I will admit, in contrast, I love that all duels in prequels, they look more immersive however because of establishment that a trained Jedi user is a force to be reckoned with. They're fucking [b]monks[/b], they're supposed to be agile and acrobatic.
The saber battle in ROTJ was pretty active I felt.
Angry Anakin in EP3 should have fought like Angry Luke in ROTJ, strong hard blows
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47545210]Oh my god, this crap again.
I, for the time in my life, could NEVER understand what people found in "original trilogy duels are 100000x better!!!!!! FUCKING ACROBATIC SHIT".
Just look at how they fight. One is a powerful Force user, another is untrained yet aspiring Jedi, but the way they fight is so unrealistic (in terms of immersion) and slow, amateur even. In the end, they are just swinging lightsabers at each other. It doesn't look like a proper fight.
I will admit, in contrast, I love that all duels in prequels, they look more immersive however because of establishment that a trained Jedi user is a force to be reckoned with. They're fucking [b]monks[/b], they're supposed to be agile and acrobatic.[/QUOTE]
As Cypher mentioned, the difference is the reason for the fights. The original trilogy has lightsaber fights that, in a vacuum, are slow, plodding, and boring. If you just watched them on their own, they wouldn't be very exciting. It's the emotion and story significance that makes them interesting- Luke and Vader stalking through the bowels of Cloud City is as intense and evocative as any part of the actual swordfight.
But in the prequels, it's just fighting for the sake of fighting. There's no emotional weight and the story significance is just 'good guy meets bad guy, they fight'. The original trilogy uses swordfighting to tell the story, to convey emotion, and overlay with dialogue. The prequel trilogy uses swordfighting simply to look cool.
You're right, the lightsaber fights in the original are technically not very well done, they're slow and plodding, they aren't very exciting as duels. But at the same time, they're far, [I]far[/I] better at their intended purpose, which is to tell the story, not pad it out with special effects.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47545210]Oh my god, this crap again.
I, for the time in my life, could NEVER understand what people found in "original trilogy duels are 100000x better!!!!!! FUCKING ACROBATIC SHIT".
Just look at how they fight. One is a powerful Force user, another is untrained yet aspiring Jedi, but the way they fight is so unrealistic (in terms of immersion) and slow, amateur even. In the end, they are just swinging lightsabers at each other. Take a close look at the 1:15 and 1:22 moments, at 2:20 and 2:40. Luke there's literally just trying to mash Vader's sword instead of trying to incapacitate him. It doesn't look like a proper fight. It lacks viciousness, aggressiveness, pragmatism of a real battle. That scene, in my unpopular opinion, is just there to build tension. As a fight, it fucking sucks.
I will admit, in contrast, I love that all duels in prequels, they look more immersive however because of establishment that a trained Jedi user is a force to be reckoned with. They're fucking [b]monks[/b], they're supposed to be agile and acrobatic.[/QUOTE]
how to be wrong 101
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