Star Wars: The Force Awakens Teaser Trailer 2 - General

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47545210]Oh my god, this crap again. I, for the time in my life, could NEVER understand what people found in "original trilogy duels are 100000x better!!!!!! FUCKING ACROBATIC SHIT". Just look at how they fight. One is a powerful Force user, another is untrained yet aspiring Jedi, but the way they fight is so unrealistic (in terms of immersion) and slow, amateur even. In the end, they are just swinging lightsabers at each other. Take a close look at the 1:15 and 1:22 moments, at 2:20 and 2:40. Luke there's literally just trying to mash Vader's sword instead of trying to incapacitate him. It doesn't look like a proper fight. It lacks viciousness, aggressiveness, pragmatism of a real battle. That scene, in my unpopular opinion, is just there to build tension. As a fight, it fucking sucks. I will admit, in contrast, I love that all duels in prequels, they look more immersive however because of establishment that a trained Jedi user is a force to be reckoned with. They're fucking [b]monks[/b], they're supposed to be agile and acrobatic.[/QUOTE] Your entire post is "original fights are bullshit you're all dumb for liking them and besides prequels are better and immersive" yeah, I can totally see a lot of people getting down with your opinion. You don't understand that, yeah, Luke is untrained yet aspiring Jedi, and Vader is a powerful Force user. WHO IS LUKE? God damn it's not hard, Luke is his son. He's bound to have some inate talent... Not only is Luke surprisingly already adept at the force (He rekt that training droid on the Falcon deflecting it three times whilst blind) but he's the offspring of the secondmost powerful forceuser in the galaxy. It's more fucking immersive than anakin crywalker being all "I'm angry now, see the change? I'm also going to jump around to show that I am young compared to Darth Vader and because well special effects have come a long way since the 70s so let's milk the shit out of it" They're just swinging lightsabers at each other? No, they're not. Luke isn't trying to incapacitate him, he's just trying to rescue his friends, stay the fuck alive and gtfo. I also laugh at how you claim to know what a "real battle" is, do you think in real warfare the trained soldiers just fucking run out in the open jumping up and down avoiding bullets and roundhouse kicking doors down? >They're just swinging lightsabers at each other, the prequels don't do that [video=youtube;HrrSMKaiGrU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrrSMKaiGrU[/video] 6:26. Also yes, they're fucking monks. They're supposed to be agile and acrobatic? What? Says who? The last fucking airbender? Spend some time in a monastery and you'll know they're not all doing backflips and kung-fu. Are you George Lucas by any chance? The prequels look as if they were made for people like you

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;47544964] [B]Also let me just take a moment to internally laugh at how much Mace Windu wiped the floor with Jango Fett. [/B] [/QUOTE] what the fuck did you just say you little bitch classic case of Lucas taking a great character and just shitting them away for plot, I will never forgive him for what he did to the Fetts If the movie had gone with the lore about Jango, Mace would have been fucking smoked bare-handed, but naw Lucas had to get some fucking sand in it and make the scenes rhyme or some other gay fuckboy shit yo fuck Lucas

Mace Windu is terrible anyway

[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;47545365]what the fuck did you just say you little bitch classic case of Lucas taking a great character and just shitting them away for plot, I will never forgive him for what he did to the Fetts If the movie had gone with the lore about Jango, Mace would have been fucking smoked bare-handed, but naw Lucas had to get some fucking sand in it and make the scenes rhyme or some other gay fuckboy shit yo fuck Lucas[/QUOTE] I know man, that's why I'm laughing -because he shouldn't have done.

[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;47545267]how to be wrong 101[/QUOTE] what are opinions beep boop [quote]Your entire post is "original fights are bullshit you're all dumb for liking them and besides prequels are better and immersive" [/quote] They aren't bullshit, they aren't [i]proper fights[/i]. If you read again, I said that the scene there exists for a reason, but as a fighting sequence it's retarded. People always compare them with prequel fighting sequences and don't realise, that they are barely comparable, it's apples and oranges all over again. [quote]I also laugh at how you claim to know what a "real battle" is, do you think in real warfare the trained soldiers just fucking run out in the open jumping up and down avoiding bullets and roundhouse kicking doors down? [/quote] Apparently they walk in circles, clash a couple of times, then tell each other "You've become more powerful since last time" in a dramatic fashion? This boils down to the problem that Lucas changed direction dramatically with Prequels, its as if he wanted to go towards entirely different genre. An epic power fantasy versus prequelish philosophical drama action. That's the only thing which is wrong with prequels, and well, perhaps, midichlorians. @6:26 I could come up with a bullshit excuse Lucas probably used for that particular moment (or whoever was in charge of choreography), but yeah I agree. That's it tho?

I'll ignore the prequel arguments this time and just focus on the video. It's still very strange that they're doing this. I was 11 when Episode 3 came out, and I spent my prime maturing years figuring that was it for Star Wars besides TV and the Expanded Universe. And now Disney's wanting to go further and all... this is happening. Starting again from the film line that ended in 1983. Since I grew up on the prequels more than the original trilogy, I'm not really feeling the nostalgia factor in my anticipation. So I'm probably seeing this more critically than others. This trailer's a lot more interesting to be sure, but it's still echoing the erie feelings of having to get used to a new future for Star Wars, both in the new set of Episodes and trashing the EU lore. Harrison looks cool, though maybe because I didn't "grow up" with the original trilogy, I can't really see past the actor yet and see Han there. It's just been so long, compared to the difference in years between Indy films (though I note with that set I haven't even seen the first 3 Indy films). And that wrecked Star Destoryer just didn't look right, it looks more like a painting than a real-life object (I wouldn't be surprised if it was a matte painting). I'm going to be very curious how they set up the new status-quo. I can get that the Empire is still a serious threat some years on, but according to the info coming in from Star Wars celebration, they're "The New Order" while the good guys are now "the Resisitance". What the hell happened there to rename everything and prolong the war thirty-something years after Endor? The new stormtrooper uniform will take some getting-used-to as well, it's so bizzare compared to the clones and old stormtroopers. On the other hand, the one black stormtrooper guy and the girl these trailers show seem interesting. BB8, too. Certainly happy to see how they'll play a role. And that music track rocks. Overall, this film has promise, and I'll be happy to see it, but I'm not losing my pants over it.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47545417]what are opinions beep boop[/QUOTE] what are they indeed [I]in my opinion[/I], you are wrong :-)

To be honest, certain things about film ARE objectively good/bad, especially when compared to the desired affect on the audience. Did the majority of the audience get the feeling of suspense you set out to achieve? y/n you CAN be wrong. In a majority / minority sense of the word.

On the subject of lightsaber fights I'm for a more grounded choreography. I admit I, too, feel the Original Trilogy has a bit wooden moves in their fights but their power is behind their meaning. The closest that comes to this in the Prequels is the final fight between Obi-Wan and Anankin but it's unfortunately filled with the most over-the-top choregraphy in all the movies. That being said I think it's possible to do epic fights with some crazy moves and Force usage and still make it relatively watchable: [video=youtube;QyYbvVAtlWk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyYbvVAtlWk[/video] This is a CGI movie but I think the technology is there to make it look real with real actors.

anyways, it's so hard to even wipe the memories of episode one. It's hard for me to watch the trailer without picturing the whole movie. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6hOlI9cg4o[/media] compare that to this trailer. Although cheesy (the narration), it's a trailer that gives you (that person who's only seen A New Hope) a glimpse that world is much, much, bigger. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNwNXF9Y6kY[/media] But really, those two trailers are sort of the same. We see new worlds, and creatures, and action. So basically, the trailer means shit until we get the movie.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47545210]It lacks viciousness, aggressiveness, pragmatism of a real battle.[/QUOTE] this is funny because that's literally all the prequel fights were. they hit each other's glowsticks while doing backflips for the spectacle of it, because if they were actually interested in killing each other then Lucas wouldn't know how to make the fight eight minutes long and completely uninvolving to the audience. when everyone is an inhumanly agile video game character who fights exactly like everyone else and only gets hit when the plot needs them to, tension does not even begin to seep in. you aren't watching characters in a clash of differing emotions or fighting styles, you're watching completely interchangeable manikins flail at each other while dramatic music tries really hard to make you care. you might as well be watching a snail race with the Inception soundtrack over it.

[QUOTE=Cone;47545580]this is funny because that's literally all the prequel fights were. they hit each other's glowsticks while doing backflips for the spectacle of it, because if they were actually interested in killing each other then Lucas wouldn't know how to make the fight eight minutes long and completely uninvolving to the audience. when everyone is an inhumanly agile video game character who fights exactly like everyone else and only gets hit when the plot needs them to, tension does not even begin to seep in. you aren't watching characters in a clash of differing emotions or fighting styles, you're watching completely interchangeable manikins flail at each other while dramatic music tries really hard to make you care. you might as well be watching a snail race with the Inception soundtrack over it.[/QUOTE] Couldn't have put it better myself.

It's kind of sad that Episode I was the only one of the prequels to use any physical props. Some parts of it really do look a lot more alive, if it had cgi to back it up a a supplement rather then over relying on it it would've done a lot better.

[QUOTE=Marden;47545555]On the subject of lightsaber fights I'm for a more grounded choreography. I admit I, too, feel the Original Trilogy has a bit wooden moves in their fights but their power is behind their meaning. The closest that comes to this in the Prequels is the final fight between Obi-Wan and Anankin but it's unfortunately filled with the most over-the-top choregraphy in all the movies. That being said I think it's possible to do epic fights with some crazy moves and Force usage and still make it relatively watchable: [video=youtube;QyYbvVAtlWk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyYbvVAtlWk[/video] This is a CGI movie but I think the technology is there to make it look real with real actors.[/QUOTE] that is one of the most solid saber fights I've seen it fits to the other point that they're strong and agile, but doesn't fluff it up with nonsense. Every motion had intent to strike, not just to confuse and flurry the opponent into submission, along with awful could-only-be-intentional missed opportunities and gentle lovetaps

pretty badass little relation of the new Battlefront game to the new force awakens movie [quote=battlefront press release] "Battlefront" will also include a free downloadable level available two weeks before "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" opens in theaters Dec. 18. It's set on Jakku, the battle-scarred desert planet glimpsed in "Force Awakens" teasers. The expansion, dubbed "Battle of Jakku," will explore the moment following "Return of the Jedi" when the New Republic confronted Imperial holdouts on the previously unseen Outer Rim enclave. "You never get to see it in the new movie, so it was this brilliant opportunity to recreate the Battle of Jakku, which you only see the remnants of in the movie," said Bach. "In the game, you actually get to play the Battle of Jakku. It's the same place from the new movie but 30 years earlier."[/quote] I like that we can experience that fight before the movie; that's an awesome idea. And it's free

[QUOTE=dai;47545769]that is one of the most solid saber fights I've seen it fits to the other point that they're strong and agile, but doesn't fluff it up with nonsense. Every motion had intent to strike, not just to confuse and flurry the opponent into submission, along with awful could-only-be-intentional missed opportunities and gentle lovetaps[/QUOTE] Say what you will about SWTOR, the cinematics are top-notch. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ToztqqDcaY[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdgmH9Vv2-I[/media]

I like all the Star Wars movies regardless.

[QUOTE=Larry_G;47545382]Mace Windu is terrible anyway[/QUOTE] Mace Windu was a good character ruined by the right actor being told to do it the wrong way Samual's a great dude and amazing actor but he doesn't do well in nice guy acts. I'm not saying he can't do them at all, but Windu may have been a black Mr. Rogers most of the time. now I'm not saying yelling is his thing, but the guy plays better in "Serious" sounding roles, in characters with importance or attitude. Samual as Mace Windu would have gone better if he was a more neutral Jedi that did as he saw fit to get the job done, even if it required aggression, not "outright smiling calm demeanor" and "Somewhat cross with you tone" But that isn't the case. Mace, as all the others are like, has 0 emotion. Jedi's aren't Human's any more, they are Vulcan monks. [editline]17th April 2015[/editline] actually, I find myself thinking the Jedi order in general is bullshit, but this is less a flaw in the films, more a flaw in their mentality and ideology.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47545210]Oh my god, this crap again. I, for the time in my life, could NEVER understand what people found in "original trilogy duels are 100000x better!!!!!! FUCKING ACROBATIC SHIT". Just look at how they fight. One is a powerful Force user, another is untrained yet aspiring Jedi, but the way they fight is so unrealistic (in terms of immersion) and slow, amateur even. In the end, they are just swinging lightsabers at each other. Take a close look at the 1:15 and 1:22 moments, at 2:20 and 2:40. Luke there's literally just trying to mash Vader's sword instead of trying to incapacitate him. It doesn't look like a proper fight. It lacks viciousness, aggressiveness, pragmatism of a real battle. That scene, in my unpopular opinion, is just there to build tension. As a fight, it fucking sucks. I will admit, in contrast, I love that all duels in prequels, they look more immersive however because of establishment that a trained Jedi user is a force to be reckoned with. They're fucking [b]monks[/b], they're supposed to be agile and acrobatic.[/QUOTE] I think you should realize the first duel between Vader and Skywalker, Luke had no chance to win, and Vader didn't want to kill him. And in the final duel between the two, Skywalker was very clearly trying to hit him. From the first lunge that started the last duel to the very end when he finally did hit him and realized he had just let his anger get the best of him, before stopping. Just go ahead and skip to 3 minutes [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A[/media] And you want to talk about Just swinging lightsabers at each other... Watch the fight between Qui-Gon, Kenobi and Maul. Every single swing had it not been hit by the other person would have harmlessly missed. All of them. Every. Single. One.

I wonder what Luke's remodel of the Jedi order will be, maybe like Jedi academy or more? the old order was pretty much useless. They didn't do shit unless they absolutely had to and were pretty shallow about their emotional state, which can't be healthy.

I love watching prequel arguments these days because 75% of them are just people regurgitating plinkett review points as if they were the ones who thought of them.

[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;47546444]I love watching prequel arguments these days because 75% of them are just people regurgitating plinkett review points as if they were the ones who thought of them.[/QUOTE] that's pretty much what people do but it's not like what he said wasn't totally invalid people don't hate it because of plinket

[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;47546444]I love watching prequel arguments these days because 75% of them are just people regurgitating plinkett review points as if they were the ones who thought of them.[/QUOTE] lol the plinket reviews were massive and covered near everything that was wrong with the movies. Idk why you'd assume people are just parroting him and not just that they also arrived at the same conclusions.. Not that it matters as long as they're still valid points being made.

[QUOTE=postal;47546615]lol the plinket reviews were massive and covered near everything that was wrong with the movies. Idk why you'd assume people are just parroting him and not just that they also arrived at the same conclusions.. Not that it matters as long as they're still valid points being made.[/QUOTE] Hell, I don't remember a single thing about the Plinket reviews other than that bitch crying in the basement or something, but I'm sure our points are very similar. Like you said though, it's just arriving at the same conclusion.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;47546700]Hell, I don't remember a single thing about the Plinket reviews other than that bitch crying in the basement or something, but I'm sure our points are very similar. Like you said though, it's just arriving at the same conclusion.[/QUOTE] Sounds like you haven't seen his reviews then.

[QUOTE=Skyward;47546028]Say what you will about SWTOR, the cinematics are top-notch. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ToztqqDcaY[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdgmH9Vv2-I[/media][/QUOTE] I love this cinematics, makes me crave a live-action Old Republic movie. Damn that would be fine. Also, I wonder if short slow-mo sequences would work in a live-action Star Wars movie?

[QUOTE=Cone;47545580] you might as well be watching a snail race with the Inception soundtrack over it.[/QUOTE] i would pay to see this tbh

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47547061]i would pay to see this tbh[/QUOTE] ehhh close enough [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJRzyFtaLFw[/media] But seriously, I've watched the Plinkett reviews things before and his points are pretty hard to disagree with, no wonder why people take away so much from them. he's a super smart dude when it comes to cinema and presents his ideas in a funny way that makes you remember them

[QUOTE=Glitchman;47547175]ehhh close enough [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJRzyFtaLFw[/media] [/QUOTE] I really enjoyed that.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;47544872]yeah make it somewhat acrobatic if you want but the combatants need to be actively trying to kill eachother instead of "predicting every move with the Force" or some bullshit like that[/QUOTE] Going with how the SW universe works, lightsaber duels would either be very slow paced gracious fighting where every move counts and is done with long planning and tactical insight, or all-in assaults where the adversaries just never stop hitting each other until one of them fails to parry or block an incoming attack. My guess is that Jedi knights and Sith lords with Jedi upbringing (such as Darth Vader) would only fight slow and steady while Sith lords who were purely brought in a Sith training would prefer a more brutal, straight forward type of combat where intimidating the opponent is as important as actually hitting the opponent.