Never Change Japan. - General

Getting offended by what a fictional character looks like is pretty dumb unless its straight up racist or something, but big boobed women, I mean, come on. It's like guys getting offended if the fictional character had a 9 inch dick

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45904469]The lesbian audience is worth pandering to.[/QUOTE] i can confirm this is correct

Roundabout is such an awesome song. I wish someone made a full-length song of the intro/outro, though, I love those parts.

Staying out of any serious misogyny/representation of women in media. Facepunch isn't the most open and welcoming of platforms for this sort of sociology whatever discussion.

[QUOTE=Yogkog;45904506]Roundabout is such an awesome song. I wish someone made a full-length song of the intro/outro, though, I love those parts.[/QUOTE] Just so we're clear, you are aware it is an actual song, right? It's by Yes, the British band, and it was written in 1971. Song's like eight minutes long. It's insane.

[QUOTE=woolio1;45904521]Just so we're clear, you are aware it is an actual song, right? It's by Yes, the British band, and it was written in 1971. Song's like eight minutes long. It's insane.[/QUOTE] Yeah I love the full song, I just wish Yes made a song entirely based around the intro/outro as well

[QUOTE=Yogkog;45904540]Yeah I love the full song, I just wish Yes made a song entirely based around the intro/outro as well[/QUOTE] Okay... Then I'm the one who doesn't understand here... What intro/outro sequences are you talking about?

Japan is pretty much this: [url]http://puu.sh/bkFhn.png[/url]

[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;45898669]If you honestly believe that creating female characters with obnoxiously large jiggling scantily clad tits isn't just to appeal to heterosexual men then you need to get real[/QUOTE] You sound [B]jealous[/B]. You know you're desperate enough that you think a game like Dragon's Crow is just titties when you're completly ignoring everything it has. Now name 5 games you think its bad and that they [I] "just appeal to hetero men"[/I] (Not counting shitty MMO Korean game pop-up spam because those are obvious malware). [U]Oh right.[/U]

[QUOTE=Primigenes;45904595]No one who doesn't have a very specific fetish is attracted to Bane. Also Bane isn't anyone's male power fantasy. Please guys, most men don't want to look like that in real life[/QUOTE] Yeah, who would want to wear a luchador mask all the time?

[QUOTE=woolio1;45904556]Okay... Then I'm the one who doesn't understand here... What intro/outro sequences are you talking about?[/QUOTE] I'm talking about the solo acoustic guitar at the start, before the groovy bass comes in.

[QUOTE=Yogkog;45904604]I'm talking about the solo acoustic guitar at the start, before the groovy bass comes in.[/QUOTE] Oh, that part... So you're talking that two or three seconds of acoustic guitar. Yeah, that would actually be kind of cool. I swear I've heard something like it before, maybe they did? EDIT: They did, it looks like. Try "Mood for a Day," there's a lot of that same sort of sound in it.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;45904595]No one who doesn't have a very specific fetish is attracted to Bane. Also Bane isn't anyone's male power fantasy. Please guys, most men don't want to look like that in real life[/QUOTE] It's not about wanting to look like that, it's about how that design fits the intended experience. Is there really anything controversial about saying most AAA games are male power fantasies? It's not even a problem of them existing, it's a problem of representation.

[QUOTE=ashxu;45899048][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/LcogSHJ.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Romance novels are inherently sexual whereas comics, movies, games often slap on the sexuality for sales. No one's going around going "hey what's with all these large-breasted women in pornography?"

[QUOTE=Ricool06;45901665] The chiselled men on the right are also cheap and lazy appeals to sexual desire, but at least they are in context, on the cover of generic romance novels (basically bookporn). If I want a strong, intelligent female character in a video game about fighting dangerous foes, it doesn't fit well with her personality or intelligence to be wearing skimpy clothing in a combat environment. Again, it is not about being offended or shocked by partially nude women, it is about having a mature experience when it comes to an art form that I love. [/QUOTE] I can sort of agree with this. Those romance novels are seriously marketed towards women, while Video Games are a medium which anyone should enjoy regardless of gender. It isn't (shouldn't be) marketed towards anyone. Even then I don't find most female designs to be too awful, especially when in the context of the designs of the other characters of the game. I do wish there were more female protagonists, though. Samus was done extremely fucking well from Metroid-Metroid Prime. Beyond Good and Evils protag is also a great example. Regrettably, though, those characters are few and far between.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;45904650]I can sort of agree with this. Those romance novels are seriously marketed towards women, while Video Games are a medium which anyone should enjoy regardless of gender. It isn't (shouldn't be) marketed towards anyone. Even then I don't find most female designs to be too awful, especially when in the context of the designs of the other characters of the game. I do wish there were more female protagonists, though. Samus was done extremely fucking well from Metroid-Metroid Prime. Beyond Good and Evils protag is also a great example. Regrettably, though, those characters are few and far between.[/QUOTE] you're right, video games are marketed to everybody while also nobody, which is why people shouldn't give a shit if a game has big tit ladies or out-of-proportion muscle men because at the end of the day, there are other games.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;45904637]Romance novels are inherently sexual whereas comics, movies, games often slap on the sexuality for sales. No one's going around going "hey what's with all these large-breasted women in pornography?"[/QUOTE] I agree, but I don't think that was the point of the picture. Since the argument was that big strong men is a male power fantasy, this picture points out that the big burly man archetype is also used in womens romance novels. So, it's not just a male power fantasy. Sexualisation is in the eye of the beholder and all that. Personally, I just wanna play good games. I don't give a shit about big ass/tits characters or giant walking muscle factories.

Ah okay I get what you're saying. Still, while I find calling it a "power fantasy" to be a little over the top they aren't making superman ripped to make him sexy they're doing it to make him look, well, powerful Personally I find overt gratuitous sexuality where it doesn't belong to be distracting and lame

[QUOTE=Duck M.;45904650]I can sort of agree with this. Those romance novels are seriously marketed towards women, while Video Games are a medium which anyone should enjoy regardless of gender. It isn't (shouldn't be) marketed towards anyone. Even then I don't find most female designs to be too awful, especially when in the context of the designs of the other characters of the game. I do wish there were more female protagonists, though. Samus was done extremely fucking well from Metroid-Metroid Prime. Beyond Good and Evils protag is also a great example. Regrettably, though, those characters are few and far between.[/QUOTE] Whats wrong with developers making games for specific audiences? When Hollywood tries to appeal to the largest audience possible, it usually ends with watered down horrible junk, and I guess the same could apply to video games. If developers had to have everyone in mind when they designed a game, whole genres would die out. No more RTS, more people plat FPS so we are making those. It would also seriously hinder peoples abillity to create the characters they want if everyone had to be satisfied with the end product. Also, this is line saying that the entire medium og music has to cater to everyone as much as possible, sine music as such isin't marketed towards any specific demographic. No more metal, no more techno, everyone has to be able to enjoy music, right?

[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;45904510]Staying out of any serious misogyny/representation of women in media. Facepunch isn't the most open and welcoming of platforms for this sort of sociology whatever discussion.[/QUOTE] Most gamers and most of facepunch enjoy good female characters. Alot of the controversy comes from the feminist hatred of sexuality. In the maddox comic thread about the representation of women in comics we had people straight up declare female characters as misogynistic creations for just having medium sized breasts.

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;45904723]you're right, video games are marketed to everybody while also nobody, which is why people shouldn't give a shit if a game has big tit ladies or out-of-proportion muscle men because at the end of the day, there are other games.[/QUOTE] But but, muh sexism, I can't be assed to make new shit so I'll just try and change other peoples stuff! -Almost every radfem I've seen, they should be fucking ashamed to call themselves feminists.

[QUOTE=Muggi;45904843]Whats wrong with developers making games for specific audiences? When Hollywood tries to appeal to the largest audience possible, it usually ends with watered down horrible junk, and I guess the same could apply to video games. If developers had to have everyone in mind when they designed a game, whole genres would die out. No more RTS, more people plat FPS so we are making those. It would also seriously hinder peoples abillity to create the characters they want if everyone had to be satisfied with the end product. Also, this is line saying that the entire medium og music has to cater to everyone as much as possible, sine music as such isin't marketed towards any specific demographic. No more metal, no more techno, everyone has to be able to enjoy music, right?[/QUOTE] except there really shouldn't be that much of a difference between a male and female audience outside of this manufactured notion that men really want to see titties in their non-titty related media

[QUOTE=Ricool06;45901665]Are you a gimmick account or something? Start debating properly man, come on. Attempting to exaggerate/parody the viewpoints of people you disagree with is no way to maintain a civil discourse.[/QUOTE] Yeah man, I got nothin but 15000 posts of pure women hating, you got me [editline]6th September 2014[/editline] What am I exaggerating, exactly? Most girls I know wet themselves over seeing Chris Evans' half naked body "Male power fantasies" are nothing but a poor cover for double standards. As if hetero males are the only consumers of media and women only stay home to cook and clean

Roundabout is a pretty cool song !

[QUOTE=Duck M.;45904650]I can sort of agree with this. Those romance novels are seriously marketed towards women, while Video Games are a medium which anyone should enjoy regardless of gender. [b] It isn't (shouldn't be) marketed towards anyone. [/b] [/QUOTE] I'm sure you heard of target marketing.. something that every industry does. From cars to food, to movies to books - yet games must be held to this ridiculous concept that every gamer is the same. The more I read about those who want gender equality on games the more I realize they don't grasp basic business decisions.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45904895]Most gamers and most of facepunch enjoy good female characters. Alot of the controversy comes from the feminist hatred of sexuality. In the maddox comic thread about the representation of women in comics we had people straight up declare female characters as misogynistic creations for just having medium sized breasts.[/QUOTE] The feminist hatred of sexuality? Part of feminism is about having women be able to express their sexuality as they please. If anyone is telling women how they should present their bodies, they are certainly not a feminist. [editline]6th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Man in the Moon;45904166]This just in bisexual women and lesbians no longer exist according to urbanmonkey, more news at 11.[/QUOTE] At what point did he say this? Whilst homosexual and bisexual women and men are absolutely a part of the demographic for sexually enhanced female characters, it is clear that heterosexual men are the majority that these characters are aimed at.

I never understood any of this. I'm a tiny whimp in my 22's, and every single 22 year old in games are 200lbs of muscle and 7 feet tall. As much as I'm jealous, as much as the average male's represented incorrectly in games, I don't give a rat's ass, 'cause it's a game, it's not serious like a politician, it's for entertainment purposes. So why can't I at least have some skimpy tramp to rescue in my games to restore some of the destroyed self-esteem?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45904895]Most gamers and most of facepunch enjoy good female characters. [B]Alot of the controversy comes from the feminist hatred of sexuality.[/B] In the maddox comic thread about the representation of women in comics we had people straight up declare female characters as misogynistic creations for just having medium sized breasts.[/QUOTE] with every post you just continue to confirm that you have no idea what feminism is

[QUOTE=Jackald;45898728]If you honestly believe that creating male characters with obnoxiously large, masculine, protruding and obvious muscles isn't just to appeal to heterosexual women, then you need to get real. [img]http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111153770/3945768-6432350152-32509.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] as someone who use to read dc you have no idea what youre talking about bane is not suppose to be appealing, his entire design is suppose to be monsterous because he is the bad guy you could have posted just batman and it'd have made more sense because the reader actually can project themselves as the good guy rather than the bad guy [editline]a[/editline] and thats stupid anyway because even then a lot of men would dig being batman and buff and having a billion dollars i dont really understand the argument i guess

[QUOTE=woolio1;45904521] Song's like eight minutes long. It's insane.[/QUOTE] Well, its not really that insane when you look at the list of Yes songs, such as Close To The Edge 18:39, The Gates of Delirium 21:52, The Revealing Science Of God/Dance Of The Dawn 22.01. Its actually quite normal for progressive rock bands to make rather long songs. 2112 by Rush, Echoes by Pink Floyd, Tarkus by ELP, A Passion Play by Jethro Tull to name just a few quite long ones.