Lolicon is child pornography, and if you masturbate to it, you are a pedophile.

[Dabu]

[QUOTE=Xionasis]I did. I classify "child" as someone between the ages 1 month to around 13, and lolicon is really just hentai with people under 18, meaning that they are not always children (As far as I know). I know that people (sick people mind you) get off to children, but I am betting that the majority are for teenagers, and usually in the higher teens so they have developed.[/QUOTE]

You're not disproving anything.

Girls don't really stop maturing until age 17. In contrast, nineteen twentieths of lolicon are girls under the age of 17 [or consent, in the case of the united states [and i know consent is 14 in japan, no one cares]]

So, therefor, they're not fully developed yet, and they're still children.

[Master Shake]

[QUOTE=MattxMosh]If you think drawings of naked children are attractive, you are fucked up.

And it is child pornography.

[url]http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002256----000-.html[/url]

Idiots.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, well look more closely at that legal document. Check out article [b]11[/b] (reproduced below):

(11) the term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an actual minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct. [b]This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting minors or adults.[/b]

Stop calling people [b]idiots[/b] when you can't even read the source in its entirety.

[b]EDIT:[/b] Oh, and according to this source...even [b]statues[/b] of naked, underaged girls are legal. :v: haha wow.

[PBandSailorJerry]

[QUOTE=Dabu]You're not disproving anything.

Girls don't really stop maturing until age 17. In contrast, nineteen twentieths of lolicon are girls under the age of 17 [or consent, in the case of the united states [and i know consent is 14 in japan, no one cares]]

So, therefor, they're not fully developed yet, and they're still children.[/QUOTE]

The age of consent is 16 here (Illinois).

And for fucks sake, Child porn is a REAL picture of REAL children.

[Dabu]

[QUOTE=Killerhurtz]Lolicon and child porn are not same.

Child porn = young children get raped and menaced to show off. Some of them even get KILLED after doing it.

Lolicon = some perverted dude thought he'd draw a kid sexing. Worst thing that happens is that the author gets a sore wrist from drawing.[/QUOTE]

grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

child porn = pornography involving children

lolicon = drawn pornography involving children

lolicon is child porn. that doesn't mean they're the same.

lolicon = cp, doesn't mean cp = lolicon

I swear, arguing on this forum is painful sometimes

[BricknHead]

[QUOTE=Dancersize]It's also children. Don't you realise how wrong that is?

[b]Edit:[/b]

So you're saying they aren't drawings of children? Or are you just being stupid for the sake of being stupid?[/QUOTE]

So, say someone drew a picture of Jesus doing coke.

Not only is the character in the drawing imaginary, the image isn't real.

Now, we spend taxpayer money prosecuting this person for is drawing.

My point is that spending the time and money to punish someone for a drawing is pathetic in every sense. If you think otherwise you can pay for the prosecution (this includes court costs, the payment for the lawyers involved, the compensation for the jury, and then of course the cost of keeping the defendant in jail).

Basically you're wasting time and money on a "crime" that has no victim.

[PBandSailorJerry]

[QUOTE=Dabu]grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

child porn = pornography involving children

lolicon = drawn pornography involving children

lolicon is child porn. that doesn't mean they're the same.

lolicon = cp, doesn't mean cp = lolicon

I swear, arguing on this forum is painful sometimes[/QUOTE]

Yes, because you are so fucking thick headed, and you don't like to be wrong. Even when you know you blatantly are.

[BricknHead]

[QUOTE=Dabu]grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

child porn = pornography involving children

lolicon = drawn pornography involving children

lolicon is child porn. that doesn't mean they're the same.

lolicon = cp, doesn't mean cp = lolicon

I swear, arguing on this forum is painful sometimes[/QUOTE]

The problem with your argument is that you focus more on the "involving children" whereas lolicon is more "involving nonexistent children"

[Dabu]

[QUOTE=Xionasis]Yes, because you are so fucking thick headed, and you don't like to be wrong. Even when you know you blatantly are.[/QUOTE]

no, it's the other way around.

Look, let's look at this in a different angle.

The people...okay, girls in Lolicon are most usually children. They are [b]children[/b].

They are usually committing sexual acts. That is [b]pornography[/b].

Therefor, [b]lolicon is child pornography[/b]. And if you disagree, you're [b]wrong[/b], because lolicon involves [b]children having sex[/b]. Most of the time.

Now, notice I'm not saying child porn is lolicon, because [b]child porn is not lolicon.[/b]

Okay, do you understand? Please tell me you do.

[Cheesemonkey]

[QUOTE=Killerhurtz]Lolicon and child porn are not same.

Child porn = young children get raped and menaced to show off. Some of them even get KILLED after doing it.

Lolicon = some perverted dude thought he'd draw a kid sexing. Worst thing that happens is that [b]the author gets a sore wrist from drawing.[/b][/QUOTE]

among... other things :q:

[BricknHead]

[QUOTE=Dabu]no, it's the other way around.

Look, let's look at this in a different angle.

The people...okay, girls in Lolicon are most usually children. They are [b]children[/b].
[/QUOTE]

They are [B]DRAWINGS[/B]

[b]Edit:[/b]

[QUOTE=Imapanda]It's not rape if the child likes it. :q:[/QUOTE]

Yes, yes it still is

[Dabu]

[QUOTE=BricknHead]They are [B]DRAWINGS[/B]

[b]Edit:[/b]

Yes, yes it still is[/QUOTE]

We're not arguing if they're drawings or not. We're arguing if it's child pornography or not. It's classified as CP, because it has children committing sexual acts.

It's the same sense as a video of someone killing someone else is considered to be a medium of a violent act, and so is drawing a picture of someone killing someone else.

I really don't know how to make it clearer.

[Wolfie13]

Shit, the cops are coming for my /b/ folder and my /y/ folder

[SamFinch]

[QUOTE=KlapTrap]The proportions of the character's bodies in anime/manga aren't even possible in real life, so if you fap to loli, you're not even fapping to anything that resembles a human being, let alone a child.

:howdy:[/QUOTE]

That actually makes sense.

[BricknHead]

[QUOTE=Dabu]We're not arguing if they're drawings or not. We're arguing if it's child pornography or not. It's classified as CP, because it has children committing sexual acts.

It's the same sense as a video of someone killing someone else is considered to be a medium of a violent act, and so is drawing a picture of someone killing someone else.

I really don't know how to make it clearer.[/QUOTE]

So you categorize Budd Dwyer's suicide alongside this image and see them as the same thing?

[img]http://www.vilma.it/news/artworks/suicide/img/Suicide_04.jpg[/img]

[ryandaniels]

[b]ACKKKKKK!!!![/b]

Gentlemen, gentlemen, you are arguing with someone when he agrees with you but has too much integrity to say something a little inaccurate to end the dispute.

Technically, loli is cp, but that does not mean that actual photos of cp and drawn cp are equal, he [B]is[/B] saying that loli is victimless and therefore not that same as actual photos.

You're arguing because you misunderstand him, and he's arguing because he won't compromise the truth.

[Dabu]

[QUOTE=ryandaniels]Guys, guys, you guys are arguing with someone when [b]s[/b]he agrees with you but has too much integrity to say something a little inaccurate to end the dispute.

Technically, loli is cp, but that does not mean that actual photos of cp and drawn cp are equal, [b]s[/b]he [B]is[/B] saying that loli is victimless and therefore not that same as actual photos.

You're are arguing because you misunderstand him, and [b]s[/b]he's arguing because he won't compromise the truth.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. I'm really die-hard with definitions [and pride], so I really couldn't admit that I might be a little wrong.

also

[QUOTE=BricknHead]So you categorize Budd Dwyer's suicide alongside this image and see them as the same thing?

img[/QUOTE]

Again, I never said they were the same thing. I said one thing is another, but it's not the other way around. Clear? THEY'RE NOT THE SAME THING.

[BricknHead]

It sounds more like he's saying lolicon is the same thing as child pornography to me

[Dancersize]

[QUOTE=BricknHead]They are [B]DRAWINGS[/B]

[b]Edit:[/b]

Yes, yes it still is[/QUOTE]

What i get from that is that you find the actual lines attractive, if that's the case why can't you toss one off over a different set of lines, ones that don't resemble children?

[Superwaver]

Lolicon = less pedophiles going crazy and raping a nearest wall.

Nothing wrong with it.

[BricknHead]

[QUOTE=Dancersize]What i get from that is that you find the actual lines attractive, if that's the case why can't you toss one off over a different set of lines, ones that don't resemble children?[/QUOTE]

I'm not a lolikon, just a reasonable and open individual.

[ryandaniels]

[QUOTE=BricknHead]It sounds more like he's saying lolicon is the same thing as child pornography to me[/QUOTE]

No, see you classify cp as pictures, whereas he is taking the more correct meaning which is that cp is a category and pictures and drawings are subsets.

[Dabu]

[QUOTE=ryandaniels]No, see you classify cp as pictures, whereas [b]she[/b] is taking the more correct meaning which is that cp is a category and pictures and drawings are subsets.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, this. I couldn't make it clear. Have a couple thanks ratings.

[ryandaniels]

[QUOTE=Dabu]Yeah, this. I couldn't make it clear. Have a couple thanks ratings.[/QUOTE]

Don't mind if I do, good sir. *tips hat*

[Large Aqua]

if you make advances on/have sex with children, you are a paedophile

saying jacking off to toon cp makes you a pedo, however, is extremely debatable

[GMan-2]

Shit.
Now I must go to mexico and hide again. Fucking FBI.

[NeoDement]

That it may be, but we love it so

[Dancersize]

[QUOTE=ryandaniels]No, see you classify cp as pictures, whereas he is taking the more correct meaning which is that cp is a category and pictures and drawings are subsets.[/QUOTE]

On the other hand i'm argueing that the child aspect of it is wrong, and the excuse "but they're drawings" comes up which would only cover them if it was the drawing factor which turned them on. In which case they could stop with the child part.

[Superwaver]

In hindsight, is there at all a type of asian porn where the female looks at least 17?

[Dabu]

[QUOTE=Dancersize]On the other hand i'm argueing that the child aspect of it is wrong, and the excuse "but they're drawings" comes up which would only cover them if it was the drawing factor which turned them on. In which case they could stop with the child part.[/QUOTE]

Your post would make a whole lot more sense if there was a universal definition of morals. Everyone's morals are different, which makes your post like a cake soaked with turpentine. Delicious, but you wouldn't let your neighbors eat it [unless you hate your neighbors [I know I do]]

Sorry for the shitty analogy.

[BricknHead]

[QUOTE=ryandaniels]No, see you classify cp as pictures, whereas he is taking the more correct meaning which is that cp is a category and pictures and drawings are subsets.[/QUOTE]

and what I'm saying is that they really aren't comparable besides the fact that the individual involved is under the age of consent, and the grouping of them together is pointless and fruitless

The main issue is that with this general grouping you see both as bad things. Putting drawn child pornography as the same group as child pornography creates a negative connotation towards the lolicon, where it is not deserved. Someone getting off to lolicon is not a bad thing, nor is someone getting off to furry, nor is someone getting off to scat or foot fetish porn.

To illustrate my point - would you put child pornography and adult pornography into the same group? Could you manage to call child pornography just pornography?