Lolicon is child pornography, and if you masturbate to it, you are a pedophile.

[G71tc4]

[QUOTE=GenericMonk]I can't fap to drawings anyway. Especially anime. If you do, you're a bit... weird.[/QUOTE]

:raise:

Weird?

[RenéMagritte]

[QUOTE=Kalibos][img]http://blankaperidot.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/vietnam_napalm_girl.16314440_std.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I love Kim Phuc.

[Mr. Bix]

[QUOTE=BricknHead]Aren't you the kid that's like 12?

A 12 year old lolikon? And watersports fetish?

Jesus Christ the internet scares me[/QUOTE]

Yay someone knows who I am! :specialschool:

[Mugofdoom]

[QUOTE=GenericMonk]I can't fap to drawings anyway. Especially anime. If you do, you're a bit... weird.[/QUOTE]
Is that really relevant in any way?

[Hezzy]

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1]This isn't about child porn, this is about lolicon. Lolicon depicts an illegal act. So does a violent video game. (generally) Neither is actually immoral because neither is an actual act taking place.[/QUOTE]

But do you play a video game because you [b]want[/b] to kill people?

[zzzzac1]

Ahahahaahahahaha.

:(
:crying:
:geno:
> :(

[Hezzy]

[QUOTE=chris0132]Sexual imagery of children itself is not illegal, only its consequences are illegal and lolicon does not have those consequences, it breaches no individual's rights in its existence or its creation.[/QUOTE]

Sexual imagery as in photographs?

S1 Protection of Children Act 1978 as amended by S84 Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 and S45 Sexual Offences Act 2003

"It is an offence to [highlight][b]TAKE[/b][/highlight], [highlight][b]MAKE[/b][/highlight], [highlight][b]SHOW[/b][/highlight], [highlight][b]POSSESS[/b][/highlight], [highlight][b]PUBLISH[/b][/highlight] any [b]INDECENT PHOTOGRAPH OR PSEUDO-PHOTOGRAPH[/b] of a [b]CHILD[/b]"

[QUOTE=samclarke.1990]I have a feeling that the people who are trying to justify viewing this material are the kind of people who also look at it.[/QUOTE]

Me too somehow.

[QUOTE=garry]I don't think it is child porn though, somehow. In the same way that Bruce Willis didn't get arrested for killing loads of people after making Die Hard.[/QUOTE]

I think it is. It's pornography depicting children having sex. It isn't real though, so I don't think it should be illegal because no-one was hurt or abused in its making.

That doesn't mean that it is ok to look at it though. I would strongly suspect people who are attracted to that kind of stuff are closet pedophiles and I would not associate myself with them.

[jalit]

I have a feeling the people who are trying to not justify it (cartoons) are looking for something morally get off to, to make them feel superior.

[Kombayn]

Some of you have actually made some pretty convincing arguments. I don't feel like making a big post talking about every nuance of my argument and the parts of the counterargument that defeated me. Yes, masturbating to lolicon can be indicative of pedophilia, but there are plentiful exceptions to this which I am now aware of.

[chris0132]

[QUOTE=Superlove Supreme]Sexual imagery as in photographs?

S1 Protection of Children Act 1978 as amended by S84 Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 and S45 Sexual Offences Act 2003

"It is an offence to [highlight][b]TAKE[/b][/highlight], [highlight][b]MAKE[/b][/highlight], [highlight][b]SHOW[/b][/highlight], [highlight][b]POSSESS[/b][/highlight], [highlight][b]PUBLISH[/b][/highlight] any [b]INDECENT PHOTOGRAPH OR PSEUDO-PHOTOGRAPH[/b] of a [b]CHILD[/b]"[/QUOTE]

Yeah I know it [I]is[/I] illegal but I mean that it shouldn't be simply because it's an image, the legality should be based on how it was created, not how realistic it looks.

[LeonSKennedy]

You know who's opinion on this actually matters? The people who run your country. So if you've got issues call your governer or mayor or magistrate or chief or arch bishop or whatever the fuck is in charge and bitch to them. A bunch of 12-40 year olds on a forum for a Half Life 2 modification won't be able to do anything.

[Dr Nick]

It's pretty pointless to keep juggling your points back and forth by now. Most of the people who actually care about the discussion have gotten bored, and you're left with the people who won't go down and admit to being partially wrong.

[LeYang]

[img]http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z184/53RG10_0/Saimoe/Rika.jpg[/img]

Who would fap over my cute Rika :( .

Also just for relating to image.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5UfIRmkv28[/media]

[b]Edit:[/b]

Goddamn Raptor, what did you do to her?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fivxXl2EpSw[/media]

[DesertRaptor]

[QUOTE=jlbmw2002][img]http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z184/53RG10_0/Saimoe/Rika.jpg[/img]

Who would fap over my cute Rika :( .

[b]Edit:[/b]

[highlight]Goddamn Raptor, what did you do to her?[/highlight]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fivxXl2EpSw[/media][/QUOTE]

I Gave her drugs before having fun with her, i guess that's the side effect
:\

[b]Edit:[/b]

Also,

This is the result when you are having fun TOO HARD

[IMG]http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm292/rapturered/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-01-1.jpg[/IMG]

[b]Edit:[/b]

She died, so i left her 4 dead

[Janus Vesta]

[QUOTE=jlbmw2002][img]http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z184/53RG10_0/Saimoe/Rika.jpg[/img]

Who would fap over my cute Rika :( .
[/QUOTE]

Nipaa. :3

I wouldn't. She's too cute.

[MrJelle]

Being a pedophile isn't illegal and can't be helped.

Being a pedoRAST, however, is. Learn the difference, and before you post a thread shitting on a large group of people, educate yourself. You're gonna end up miss-educating others, and contribute to ignorance.

</2 cents>

[KlapTrap]

[QUOTE=samclarke.1990]

Therefore, lolicon IS related to the sexualisation of young girls and as we all (By all I mean normal people with respectful [b]morals[/b]) agree has no place in society.[/QUOTE]
Oh please.
What the fuck would you know about morals.
You're the one that cheated on his girlfriend cause he couldn't keep his dick in his pants.

:howdy:

[not Rickzzz]

[QUOTE=KlapTrap]Oh please.
What the fuck would you know about morals.
You're the one that cheated on his girlfriend cause he couldn't keep his dick in his pants.

:howdy:[/QUOTE]

That's not as worse as having pedophilic sexual preferences.

En dat weet je maar al te goed. :v:

[chris0132]

[QUOTE=MrJelle]Being a pedophile isn't illegal and can't be helped.

Being a pedoRAST, however, is. Learn the difference, and before you post a thread shitting on a large group of people, educate yourself. You're gonna end up miss-educating others, and contribute to ignorance.

</2 cents>[/QUOTE]
Ped[B]e[/B]rast, I believe, and pederasty is rather specifically homosexual sexual activity between an adolescent boy and a man outside his family, and is legal if the boy is of consenting age.

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[QUOTE=not Rickzzz]That's not as worse as having pedophilic sexual preferences.

En dat weet je maar al te goed. :v:[/QUOTE]

I think it's much worse.

[not Rickzzz]

[QUOTE=chris0132]I think it's much worse.[/QUOTE]

Are you telling me you'd find it worse that your brother cheated on his girl than when he'd confess he has pedophilic feelings?

[chris0132]

[QUOTE=not Rickzzz]Are you telling me you'd find it worse that your brother cheated on his girl than when he'd confess he has pedophilic feelings?[/QUOTE]

Yes, because he can't control his feelings, he can control his actions, if he cheats on someone, he doesn't control his actions, he allows his feelings to rule his actions, if he feels attracted to children but doesn't act on it, he does control his actions, therefore he is a much more righteous person in my eyes. He is both honest and thoughtful of others' wishes, someone who cheats on their partner is neither.

I should be much more wary of someone who lacks the empathy to care about the repercussions of their actions on others, or people who believe that repercussions do not apply to them because they aren't likely to be caught, such people are worryingly close to sociopaths.

People who contest their nature if it does not correlate with their principles are worthy of my trust. They are people who really believe in their morals and uphold them at their own expense. They are the selfless and the saints, and I do not condemn them for having something they need to oppose.

[SeymourGuado]

As I'm sure alot of people said already. Faping to Lolicon doesn't make you a pedo NOR is it child porn. I've fapped to it a couple times But I aslo fap to regular porn. Unless someone is messing with real kids shut the fuck up and go back in you Vault 101 :v:

[ChronoPhobia]

[QUOTE=DesertRaptor]
[IMG]http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm292/rapturered/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-01-1.jpg[/IMG]

[/QUOTE]

pwt like fuck.

[Deathbyfire]

[QUOTE=chris0132]Yes, because he can't control his feelings, he can control his actions, if he cheats on someone, he doesn't control his actions, he allows his feelings to rule his actions, if he feels attracted to children but doesn't act on it, he does control his actions, therefore he is a much more righteous person in my eyes. He is both honest and thoughtful of others' wishes, someone who cheats on their partner is neither.

I should be much more wary of someone who lacks the empathy to care about the repercussions of their actions on others, or people who believe that repercussions do not apply to them because they aren't likely to be caught, such people are worryingly close to sociopaths.

People who contest their nature if it does not correlate with their principles are worthy of my trust. They are people who really believe in their morals and uphold them at their own expense. They are the selfless and the saints, and I do not condemn them for having something they need to oppose.[/QUOTE]

For this lovely compilation of all my thoughts on the subject, have and agree rating, and a cookie. You earned them.

[not Rickzzz]

[QUOTE=chris0132]Yes, because he can't control his feelings, he can control his actions, if he cheats on someone, he doesn't control his actions, he allows his feelings to...for having something they need to oppose.[/QUOTE]

Cheating might be a bad example.
What if he [B]can[/B] control his feelings, but there's something wrong in his relationship with his current partner?

When we take an ordinary Guido who cheats on his girlfriend because he's too awesome to have one girl at a time, then yes, your example is correct.

Then again, I do find having pedophilic preferences a disorder.
Of course we've found bein homosexual a disorder too, but this is something between two men above the standard age/age of consent.

It's a very tough subject.

[chris0132]

[QUOTE=not Rickzzz]Cheating might be a bad example.
What if he [B]can[/B] control his feelings, but there's something wrong in his relationship with his current partner?

When we take an ordinary Guido who cheats on his girlfriend because he's too awesome to have one girl at a time, then yes, your example is correct.

Then again, I do find having pedophilic preferences a disorder.
Of course we've found bein homosexual a disorder too, but this is something between two men above the standard age/age of consent.

It's a very tough subject.[/QUOTE]

Then if he is a morally sound individual, he lets his partner know, finishes that relationship, and then moves onto another one.

Even if he does that he is still no better than the pedophile. Which isn't between anyone unless it is expressed, which it does not need to be, nor for that matter does homosexuality.

It is a very straightforward subject, saying that it is a difficult subject is something people do when they have no argument.

[SeymourGuado]

[QUOTE=chris0132]Then if he is a morally sound individual, he lets his partner know, finishes that relationship, and then moves onto another one.

Even if he does that he is still no better than the pedophile. Which isn't between anyone unless it is expressed, which it does not need to be, nor for that matter does homosexuality.

It is a very straightforward subject, saying that it is a difficult subject is something people do when they have no argument.[/QUOTE]
If you actually ever had a girlfriend/boyfriend you'd actually know it is :v:

[chris0132]

In my experience there are no difficult subjects outside of in-depth academia, there are only subjects people don't want to think about, or don't want to make a decision about, they are not complicated, people are just unwilling to contemplate them.

They are a difficult as you make them, and people often make them very difficult, but that is their damn stupid fault.

[SeymourGuado]

[QUOTE=chris0132]In my experience there are no difficult subjects outside of in-depth academia, there are only subjects people don't want to think about, or don't want to make a decision about, they are not complicated, people are just unwilling to contemplate them.

They are a difficult as you make them, and people often make them very difficult, but that is their damn stupid fault.[/QUOTE]
Think about it for a second though. For younger folks like 18 to 25 maybe Younger people who date DO have the problem of knowing when to get out of a relationship. Not all do but a good ammount do. Some actually stay in them cause they can't picture themself being alone or have the courage to end it..Others cheat and end up making things screwed up and chaotic. Dating young these days is insane. Now if you're older sure it's easier you know what to do. But younger groups have a harder time trust me.

But ofcourse this isn't the topic of the thread so..

[chris0132]

[QUOTE=SeymourGuado]Think about it for younger folks like 18 to 25 maybe Younger people who date DO have the problem of knowing when to get out of a relationship. Some actually stay in them cause they can't picture themself being alone.Others cheats and end up making things screwed up. Dating young these days is insane. Now if you're older sure it's easier you know what to do. But younger groups have a harder time trust me.[/QUOTE]

No, they are just unwilling to come to a decision.

If you go into it with the goal of making a decision then you will find it very easy to assess the benefits and problems and to make one, but people don't. They think that if they don't make a decision it will sort itself out. The decision is not complicated and does not require much thought, there are not many variables to take into account, they are simply unwilling to commmit.

The decision is not difficult, they are simply unwilling to make it, it is weakness of mind and nothing more.

Have you not paid any attention to people? When someone asks you for advice you know they don't actually want you to give them advice, they just want someone to be there while they talk to themselves. They will explain the situation to you and then arrive at the decision they had already made before they came but didn't want to think about. They come to you because they want someone to oblige them into finalising their decision.

Life decisions are not difficult to make, life decisions are difficult to adhere to. Let's say your grandmother wants euthanasia because she's terminally ill. You already know how she feels about it, and you feel about it, and you already know the best course of action, you just don't want to commit to it because if you do that will mean you take responsibility, and you become a murderer/someone who promotes suffering.