[QUOTE=Roly poly;23556360]The thing is people think that quality will dive with mass production but if anything quality will be top notch in order for the companies to stay competitive. They're not gonna get any sales making ditch weed.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it will make quality go down, because it'd be well funded, and i'm sure there'll still be plenty of homegrows.
[QUOTE=5150Luke;23556318]1. Ok I will gladly go, or buy from the dispensaries if it's cheap enough
2. It's actually different from counties, and from city to city, but that's the minimium.
3. I can't eat brownies in my house? that's consuming the weeds.
4. you'll still be able to carry a HP.
It won't really matter to me if it's monopolized if their able to mass produce it, and sell it for nothing, I'll get a fucking job.[/QUOTE]
1) OK.
2) The minimum is different per county, though the state legal limit Is 20 plants, no more.
3) Fuck you got me there, I didn't think about edibles.
4) If you're a medical cannabis patient, I've never said they couldn't or could, I'm saying if it becomes "legal" here anyone 21 and up can only possess an ounce at any given time. And you can still get busted if it's not from a dispensary.
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[QUOTE=Roly poly;23556360]The thing is people think that quality will dive with mass production but if anything quality will be top notch in order for the companies to stay competitive. They're not gonna get any sales making ditch weed.[/QUOTE]
I don't believe that, I just wouldn't like to see it monopolized in general.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;23556457]1) OK.
2) The minimum is different per county, though the state legal limit Is 20 plants, no more.
3) Fuck you got me there, I didn't think about edibles.
4) If you're a medical cannabis patient, I've never said they couldn't or could, I'm saying if it becomes "legal" here anyone 21 and up can only possess an ounce at any given time. And you can still get busted if it's not from a dispensary.
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I don't believe that, I just wouldn't like to see it monopolized in general.[/QUOTE]
It's never going to be monopolized.. There's too many strains and dedicated people in the world for one company to have a complete grip on the market... Plus, it's too good of a product to let one company produce. If weed goes commercial it's going to be ridiculously competitive.
I'm still voting yes.
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4. I'm pretty sure medical marijuana patients would still be able to have a hp.
[QUOTE=5150Luke;23556835]4. I'm pretty sure medical marijuana patients would still be able to have a hp.[/QUOTE]
I've stated numerous times that yes, they can still have a half pound. Now what I've been saying and you've been blatantly ignoring is that while current cannabis patients will be exempt from some of the rules Prop 19 has, the current exemptions are not as numerous as you would guess, and the wording is shoddy as well.
[QUOTE]creates new prohibitions and felonies where there are none now.[/QUOTE]:ohdear:
[QUOTE=Roly poly;23556648]It's never going to be monopolized.. There's too many strains and dedicated people in the world for one company to have a complete grip on the market... Plus, it's too good of a product to let one company produce. If weed goes commercial it's going to be ridiculously competitive.[/QUOTE]
I doubt it will be one company, but it will come close. There won't be any ridiculous amounts of competition, that's for sure. Every industry has a few giants ruling it, some of these giants spread to other industries too. Who's to say that, say, pepsi-co won't come in and establish a gigantic market share and force most of the other growers out?
It's inevitable with the commercialization of weed that a few fortune 500 corporations will rule the industry.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;23557322]I've stated numerous times that yes, they can still have a half pound. Now what I've been saying and you've been blatantly ignoring is that while current cannabis patients will be exempt from some of the rules Prop 19 has, the current exemptions are not as numerous as you would guess, and the wording is shoddy as well.[/QUOTE]
i'm pretty sure medical marijuana laws would trump anything in the bill.
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[QUOTE=Conscript;23557657]I doubt it will be one company, but it will come close. There won't be any ridiculous amounts of competition, that's for sure. Every industry has a few giants ruling it, some of these giants spread to other industries too. [/QUOTE]
I heard that some tobacco companies have prime land for growing weed in california, but I don't see how a legitimate company could branch out into something illegal federally but legal state wide.
That just means instead of some private company or group of companies dominating the market, it'll be the state of california.
I don't want it commercialized. They'll put nicotine and all the other shit from cigarettes which is the reason I smoke weed, and not cigarettes. I want a buzz, but not if it's gonna put rat poison in me. Just my opinion though.
You can get un-factoryized tobacco, would wouldn't you be able to get natural weed?
[QUOTE=CjienX;23558077]You can get un-factoryized tobacco, would wouldn't you be able to get natural weed?[/QUOTE]
I dunno. Something tells me the government will still have it illegal to buy from dealers because of the fact that they don't get a shit load of money from the taxes.
Newsflash:
it's already illegal, nobody will give two shits
Well I'm fucking confused.
Is Prop 19 good for the progression of marijuana acceptance and legalization? Or, uh not?
I read the article but I kind of need someone to explain it in layman terms.
Basically, for pro pot people prop 19 is to ideal legalization as healthcare reform was to universal healthcare.
Guuhhhhhh I'm not even remotely clued into what's going on with Prop 19 and I live in Scotland with minimal knowledge on this subject and I already understand Prop 19 is a step backwards.
What they want to do is essentially 'legalize' mass-production/commercialization of Marijuana that can be bought by anyone. Yeah, at a glance that sounds great for the progression of Cannabis legality but it's not.. Cannabis patients will still have a few liberties that regular people [B]will not[/B] like being able to have up to a half pound of pot, grow more plants etc but you, the average consumer won't and there are some very vague and obscured 'rules' to what you can and can't do.
They make it sound like it's all pro-pot yes we want it legalized! But really it's not what you want to happen, they've worded it in a way to make it sound like what you want but read the blog in the OP, it may be long but it really explains it well why you shouldn't be pushing for Prop 19.
[QUOTE=LasGunz;23563572]Guuhhhhhh I'm not even remotely clued into what's going on with Prop 19 and I live in Scotland with minimal knowledge on this subject and I already understand Prop 19 is a step backwards.
What they want to do is essentially 'legalize' mass-production/commercialization of Marijuana that can be bought by anyone. Yeah, at a glance that sounds great for the progression of Cannabis legality but it's not.. Cannabis patients will still have a few liberties that regular people [B]will not[/B] like being able to have up to a half pound of pot, grow more plants etc but you, the average consumer won't and there are some very vague and obscured 'rules' to what you can and can't do.
They make it sound like it's all pro-pot yes we want it legalized! But really it's not what you want to happen, they've worded it in a way to make it sound like what you want but read the blog in the OP, it may be long but it really explains it well why you shouldn't be pushing for Prop 19.[/QUOTE]
legally and economically it's a bad idea, but if it's passed, it's one step closer to making weed more socially accepted. and that's the best thing it promises. i'd vote yes for that alone.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;23555945]Ok, I can already tell you did not read one fucking thing out of the link I provided, so I'll highlight it for you. [highlight]IF YOU ARE CAUGHT WITH ANY POT, AND YOU CAN'T PROVE YOU GOT IT FROM A DISPENSARY, YOU'LL GO TO JAIL UNDER PROP 19. IF YOU CAN'T PROVE YOU GREW IT, YOU GO TO JAIL UNDER PROP 19. IF YOU BUY FROM FRIENDS, YOU'LL GO TO JAIL UNDER PROP 19.[/highlight]
Good for you, you realize they have to use massive amounts of electricity, and use carbon scrubbers in the ventilation system to prevent the smell from getting out, and even then they could be detected by word-of-mouth or even by their utilities company thinking something's fishy with a man using $1000 worth of electricity a month.
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1. save receipts and the bottles it comes in, simple...
2. you dont have to use massive amounts of electricity. it depends on what kind of set up you have. you probably have never grown a pot plant in your life.
I haven't been caught and it's completely illegal. If this was happening where I live all it would do is make my toking a little bit easier lmao
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2. you dont have to use massive amounts of electricity. it depends on what kind of set up you have. you probably have never grown a pot plant in your life.[/QUOTE]
Of course it depends on how much plants you're growing, but mostly you're correct.
It's almost identical to growing those sunflower plants in 3rd grade. You just care more and love it :).
[QUOTE=brianosaur;23564539]1. save receipts and the bottles it comes in, simple...
2. you dont have to use massive amounts of electricity. it depends on what kind of set up you have. you probably [b]have never grown a pot plant in your life.[/b][/QUOTE]
1) No shit that's what Prop 19 tells you to do.
2) hahaha...
I would rather weed be "legalized" with a bunch of rules rather than what the law is in most states now, where weed is illegal and leads to fines and/or jail time. Plus, hiding behind the whole "medicinal" weed thing is stupid.
I shouldn't have to fake an illness to be able to enjoy my weed.
I don't see how stoners could disagree with this new proposition.
It will let you grow weed, keep weed legally, and smoke it without fear of the cops.
If cops are already lenient about the weed laws in Cali, why would they bother enforcing the new laws if the thing actually passes?
Instead of arresting people and taking their money, the tax on the weed could provide the states with the money they need.
I'm just saying, I think it would be a good law to have. Plus, if Cali passes it and it works alright, then other states are sure to follow.
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I'm just saying, I think it would be a good law to have. Plus, if Cali passes it and it works alright, then other states are sure to follow.[/QUOTE]
I agree that the other states would be sure to follow, but it won't be legalized like we want it to.
[QUOTE=CjienX;23558602]Newsflash:
it's already illegal, nobody will give two shits[/QUOTE]
Which is why I think the government won't legalize it because dealers will start selling for the same prices without taxes...
[QUOTE=2-d;23567515]I would rather weed be "legalized" with a bunch of rules rather than what the law is in most states now, where weed is illegal and leads to fines and/or jail time. Plus, hiding behind the whole "medicinal" weed thing is stupid.
I shouldn't have to fake an illness to be able to enjoy my weed. [/QUOTE]
Again, anyone who believes calling something that's not legalization, and passing it off as real legalization is seriously wrong. "Oh it'll get others on the ball" That's what's been happening for the last 40 years in the US, 14 states have medicinal cannabis laws and some have decriminalized it to a low extent. Did you know the consequence of having an ounce on your person in CA, if you don't have a license? An infraction, something that doesn't go on your criminal record, and before it became an infraction, it was a $100 fine. That's it. The cannabis laws now still are will continue to be better then Prop 19 if it was ever passed.
[QUOTE=2-d;23567515]I don't see how stoners could disagree with this new proposition.
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And I provide people the link but no one reads it all or something.
[QUOTE=2-d;23567515]It will let you grow weed, keep weed legally, and smoke it without fear of the cops.[/QUOTE]
If you're 21, and you can't smoke in a building if there are minors, you also can't carry more then an ounce, and you get a 5x5 plot to grow with. Plus you can't smoke in areas that cigarette smokers smoke, like how cannabis patients can.
[QUOTE=2-d;23567515]If cops are already lenient about the weed laws in Cali, why would they bother enforcing the new laws if the thing actually passes?
Instead of arresting people and taking their money, the tax on the weed could provide the states with the money they need.[/QUOTE]
While yes, it would generate money, it would also really generate money from the future tickets and fines that may be given out due to the new weird regulations in Prop 19. Prop 19, after going through it completely, I can say it is not what I want.
[QUOTE=2-d;23567515]I'm just saying, I think it would be a good law to have. Plus, if Cali passes it and it works alright, then other states are sure to follow.[/QUOTE]
No, I don't want any state to take CA's example if it passes Prop 19, then states will either do their own independent laws, or model theirs after California's, and that I really do not want to see.
The only thing I am afraid of is the commercial price and quality, imagine buying a 5 sack of dirt weed for 30 dollars...
[QUOTE=2-d;23567515]I would rather weed be "legalized" with a bunch of rules rather than what the law is in most states now, where weed is illegal and leads to fines and/or jail time. Plus, hiding behind the whole "medicinal" weed thing is stupid.
I shouldn't have to fake an illness to be able to enjoy my weed.
I don't see how stoners could disagree with this new proposition.
It will let you grow weed, keep weed legally, and smoke it without fear of the cops.
[B]If cops are already lenient about the weed laws in Cali, why would they bother enforcing the new laws if the thing actually passes?
Instead of arresting people and taking their money, the tax on the weed could provide the states with the money they need.[/B]
I'm just saying, I think it would be a good law to have. Plus, if Cali passes it and it works alright, then other states are sure to follow.[/QUOTE]
I can tell you didn't even read the OP's link, first of all it stated right in there that a big percentage of any taxes from the marijuana would go back to enforcing the new laws against marijuana. And that's right! New laws enforcing marijuana, where the cops REALLY don't give a fuck now, they'd be forced to if Prop 19 passed.
[QUOTE=Tea Guy;23569077]The only thing I am afraid of is the commercial price and quality, imagine buying a 5 sack of dirt weed for 30 dollars...[/QUOTE]
I'm 99% positive dirt weed wouldn't exist, it'd be nug and above, just like a medical dispensary.
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And I provide people the link but no one reads it all or something.
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I read it, except for most of the arguments in it are easily rebutted by Marc Emery's essay.
[url]http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/content/2010/06/05/Why-You-Should-Vote-YES-California-Control-Tax-Cannabis-Initiative[/url]
[QUOTE=LasGunz;23563572]Guuhhhhhh I'm not even remotely clued into what's going on with Prop 19 and I live in Scotland with minimal knowledge on this subject and I already understand Prop 19 is a step backwards.[/QUOTE]
Then you shouldn't really care if it passes or not.
[QUOTE=LasGunz;23563572]
Cannabis patients will still have a few liberties that regular people [B]will not[/B] like being able to have up to a half pound of pot, grow more plants etc but you, the average consumer won't and there are some very vague and obscured 'rules' to what you can and can't do.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, california citizens will be able to get medical cards, be able to grow more pot, have more pot, etc. I'm renewing my recommendation whether this bill passes or not next year because i'm sure as hell not 21.
Honestly this bill is more for tourists and pot smokers that are too cheap/lazy to get a medical marijuana recommendation.
You guys are a bunch of paranoid stoners aren´t you. :D
I´d love to have something like this over here in norway, being able to carry, grow and use is a huge step forward no matter how you look at it.
Oh, and there´s also the benefit of not having to put up with smuggled dope and low quality swag. The insecurity of illegally sold weed will be a thing of the past.
And hey! Let´s be civil about it you guys. Lots of hate going on in this thread, let´s just discuss the prop without namecalling and flaming.
Marijuana is just going to follow laws very similar to Alcohol after this is passed and I see no problem with that. A lot of people want Marijuana to be legalized and if you are going to pass up a chance like this just because some of the laws may be stricter that's retarded. I'm sick of buying from dispensaries and dealers.
Alot of people in this thread seem to think that this is the only opportunity, either vote yes on this, or it's no forever. That's not true...
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