[QUOTE=Darkar;21102596]woah thats a good call, calling me out for not spelling correctly in my native language. lets see how you good you are in greek,idiot.
going by your logic if you cant prove that somethig doesnt exist it may as well exist. thats the point i was trying to make. there is no evidence that god exists, and there is no evidence that he doesnt exist.therefore that is not a valid argument.[/QUOTE]
The lack of evidence for his existence counts as evidence that he doesn't. You don't just make something up and claim it exists because people don't have evidence it doesn't. What else would you call evidence that and omnipotent presence doesn't exist? The only way there can be evidence that he doesn't is that there isn't any evidence that he does, and there isn't any.
This is just going to go back and forth, though.
this is some cool shit. i've always wanted to hear more about modern demon possessions and exorcisms
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21102994]I never ruled out the possibility. Can you at least read? Please provide me with an example of evidence that would totally disprove something beyond any shadow of a doubt.[/QUOTE]
god i never said [B]you, specifically[/B] ruled out the possibility. i am just trying to make a point.
an example: because of its molecular structure, water can not be in a solid state when in a temperature > 0 celsium degrees.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21102490]Having a religion doesn't make you less smart. [highlight]Einstein[/highlight] believed in god.[/QUOTE]
Einstein was a pantheist/deist
[QUOTE=gnome;21103048]The lack of evidence for his existence counts as evidence that he doesn't. You don't just make something up and claim it exists because people don't have evidence it doesn't. What else would you call evidence that and omnipotent presence doesn't exist? The only way there can be evidence that he doesn't is that there isn't any evidence that he does, and there isn't any.
.[/QUOTE]
i disagree with that but anyway.
[QUOTE=gnome;21103048]
This is just going to go back and forth, though.[/QUOTE]
thats what i m trying to say here.
because of the fact that this argument is an endless circle, it is not valid. therefore its not a valid reason to be an atheist.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21102970]Jesus Christ my point is you can believe in god and still be smart fuck.
We're talking about philosophy not fucking science. If you can't prove something or disprove it scientifically it's philosophy. You don't get what I'm saying because you're dumb as shit. [I]If you can't prove or disprove, you can't fucking prove or fucking disprove. So who gives a shit.[/I]
If you try I personally think it's a waste of time but I won't judge you by it. But here you are trying to push an answer and then judging other people for trying to push an answer and that makes you a giant shithead hypocrite.
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You fucking don't.[/QUOTE]
Chill out bro. I never resorted to Ad Hominem, I don't see why you are. Hold on gonna trim your post of everything that's completely irrelevant.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21102970]If you can't prove or disprove, you can't fucking prove or fucking disprove. So who gives a shit.[/QUOTE]
That's better.
"If you can't prove or disprove, you can't fucking prove or fucking disprove." Way to state the obvious. You're completely not seeing past this, if you can't prove or disprove, then the default logical position is that it doesn't exist. If there is no evidence pointing to X's existence, then why would you think that X exists?
"So who gives a shit." Well clearly I do. For one religion is WRONG, and I believe in the truth and freedom of knowledge. But it goes beyond that, as it's not just someone being wrong that bothers me, it's someone being wrong and then going and making decisions that may impact me later, based on an incorrect hypothesis. Carl Sagan also cares "If we don't speak up now and allow such ideals to continue. Our society will fall back into the darkness of a dogmatic world where critical thinking and science is strongly discouraged,".
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[QUOTE=Darkar;21103175][B]i disagree with that but anyway.
[/B]
thats what i m trying to say here.
because of the fact that this argument is an endless circle, it is not valid. therefore its not a valid reason to be an atheist.[/QUOTE]
You can't disagree with a fact. That's just being fucking retarded.
-snip- Pretty much the above post.
[QUOTE=Darkar;21103103]god i never said [B]you, specifically[/B] ruled out the possibility. i am just trying to make a point.
an example: because of its molecular structure, [B]water can not be in a solid state when in a temperature > 0 celsium degrees.[/B][/QUOTE]
Well this completely depends on the pressure it's under.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21103192]
You can't disagree with a fact. That's just being fucking retarded.[/QUOTE]
i disagree with the logic, not the fact. what i am trying to say is that you can be an atheist all you want but saying "hey, i havent seen god, therefore he does not exist" is retarded and makes you a 12 year old wannabe rebelous twat.
have some arguments to back up your beliefs.
[QUOTE=Darkar;21103175]i disagree with that but anyway.
thats what i m trying to say here.
[B]because of the fact that this argument is an endless circle, it is not valid. therefore its not a valid reason to be an atheist[/B].[/QUOTE]
It's not a circular argument if you follow it logically. The problem here is that one side claims logic, while the other side doesn't believe in logic, which is completely irrational.
Obviously exaterated from what it really was, and even that is a lie and not possible or true.
If anyone honestly believes in demons and possession they need to smash their head against their desk
[QUOTE=bud389;21099835][IMG_thumb]http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/184/athiesthatechristianity.jpg[/IMG_thumb]
Now shut up and keep your religious opinions to yourself.[/QUOTE]
Heed your own advice before you use that image again. Christianity is the majority in the western world so it makes sense that most atheists posting in a western-centric forum would come from christian families and therefore be more biased against christianity. Think before you post.
[QUOTE=Magistrate;21102405]stalin was atheist[/QUOTE]
Hitler was christian
neither of them used their religion or lack thereof to justify what they did
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21103239]Well this completely depends on the pressure it's under.[/QUOTE]
haha, well played. i m talking about standard conditions.
[QUOTE=Darkar;21103276][B]i disagree with the logic, not the fact[/B]. what i am trying to say is that you can be an atheist all you want but saying "hey, i havent seen god, therefore he does not exist" is retarded and makes you a 12 year old wannabe rebelous twat.
have some arguments to back up your beliefs.[/QUOTE]
They are the same fucking thing. Maybe if you learn English, you'll be able to understand what I wrote.
[QUOTE=Darkar;21103175]i disagree with that but anyway.[/QUOTE]
Do you also believe in the invisible pink unicorn that stalks you every second of your life?
Or the giant tea cup orbiting mars?
If you believe in these things do you;
A: Spend precious resources devoted to these logical fallacies
B: Realize the faulty logic and abandon them
C: Worship them (See A)
[QUOTE=Darkar;21103323]haha, well played. i m talking about standard conditions.[/QUOTE]
Water is always liquid at STP.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21103296]It's not a circular argument if you follow it logically. The problem here is that one side claims logic, while the other side doesn't believe in logic, which is completely irrational.[/QUOTE]
not really. its a paradox. are you familiar with schredingers cat experiment?
[QUOTE=Darkar;21103356]not really. its a paradox. [B]are you familiar with schredingers cat experiment?[/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, and if you try to use it as an argument, you clearly aren't.
[QUOTE=Darkar;21103356]not really. its a paradox. are you familiar with schredingers cat experiment?[/QUOTE]
I didn't know Schredinger did one. Did it expand on Schrödinger's original thought experiment?
[QUOTE=Ishmael12;21103349][B]Do you also believe in the invisible pink unicorn that stalks you every second of your life?
[/B]
Or the giant tea cup orbiting mars?
If you believe in these things do you;
A: Spend precious resources devoted to these logical fallacies
B: Realize the faulty logic and abandon them
C: Worship them (See A)[/QUOTE]
Slenderman :ohdear:
[QUOTE=bud389;21099835][IMG]http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/184/athiesthatechristianity.jpg[/IMG]
Now [B]shut up and keep your religious opinions to yourself.[/B][/QUOTE]
Irony.
[QUOTE=Ishmael12;21103349]Do you also believe in the invisible pink unicorn that stalks you every second of your life?
Or the giant tea cup orbiting mars?
If you believe in these things do you;
A: Spend precious resources devoted to these logical fallacies
B: Realize the faulty logic and abandon them
C: Worship them (See A)[/QUOTE]
i can not disprove them
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21103401]I didn't know Schredinger did one. Did it expand on Schrödinger's original thought experiment?[/QUOTE]
Funny how they both have such similar names then, isn't it?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21103192]Chill out bro. I never resorted to Ad Hominem, I don't see why you are. Hold on gonna trim your post of everything that's completely irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
Calling me out on resort to Ad Hominem is Ad Hominem. I just did it because I feel like I'm being completely overlooked. Besides, you have indeed done it, I'm just not going to point them out. You're basing this all on an incorrect train of logic.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21103192]if you can't prove or disprove, then the default logical position is that it doesn't exist.[/QUOTE]
No it isn't.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21103192]If there is no evidence pointing to X's existence, then why would you think that X exists?[/QUOTE]
If there's no evidence against the existence of X, why would believe X is impossible?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21103192]"So who gives a shit." Well clearly I do.[/QUOTE]
Logically, you shouldn't.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21103192]For one religion is WRONG[/QUOTE]
That's an illogical assumption.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21103192]But it goes beyond that, as it's not just someone being wrong that bothers me, it's someone being wrong and then going and making decisions that may impact me later, based on an incorrect hypothesis.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's fine. That doesn't mean religious people are all idiots though.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21103192]Carl Sagan also cares[/QUOTE]
That's caring about beliefs influencing law, not caring about whether or not there is a deity.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21103192]"If we don't speak up now and allow such ideals to continue. Our society will fall back into the darkness of a dogmatic world where critical thinking and science is strongly discouraged,".[/QUOTE]
True, but "there is no possibility for a deity and religious people are stupid" is a dogma.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21103192]You can't disagree with a fact. That's just being fucking retarded.[/QUOTE]
It's not a fact.
[QUOTE=Darkar;21103356]not really. its a paradox. are you familiar with schredingers cat experiment?[/QUOTE]
Schrödinger's cat is a mental experiment in quantum superpositions
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Schrodingers_cat.svg/320px-Schrodingers_cat.svg.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21103417]Funny how they both have such similar names then, isn't it?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, quite the coincidence there
definitely proof of a higher power guiding things
[QUOTE=Ishmael12;21103349]Do you also believe in the invisible pink unicorn that stalks you every second of your life?
Or the giant tea cup orbiting mars?
If you believe in these things do you;
A: Spend precious resources devoted to these logical fallacies
B: Realize the faulty logic and abandon them
C: Worship them (See A)[/QUOTE]
I don't believe in them, but I also can't say that they do not exist. This is existentialist and agnostic thinking, and it is the purest form of logic.
I wouldn't do those things, but you all have. You've devoted a great deal of time to asserting your belief that there is no god, correct?
[QUOTE=Darkar;21103413]i can not disprove them[/QUOTE]
So, you want to found the church of the invisible pink unicorn?
It's illogical to believe something exists with no evidence to support it.
"God" is just what we label our ignorance.
i grew tired of the conversation you obviously dont get my point wich is the following.
[QUOTE=Darkar;21103276]what i am trying to say is that you can be an atheist all you want but saying "hey, i havent seen god, therefore he does not exist" is retarded and makes you a 12 year old wannabe rebelous twat.
have some arguments to back up your beliefs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ishmael12;21103490]So, you want to found the church of the invisible pink unicorn?
It's illogical to believe something exists with no evidence to support it.
"God" is just what we label our ignorance.[/QUOTE]
It's also illogical to believe it can't exist is it that hard to grasp that.
The original point, again, you aren't necessarily dumb just because you follow a dogma.
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