• The Super Friendly Social and Love Advice Thread v3 - February
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[QUOTE=Protocol7;36667390]i think the point everyone's making is in a lot of cases depression is self-diagnosed and hence bullshit malarky[/QUOTE] [b]did anyone fucking read Devodiere's post!!?[/b] [quote]I'm gonna prove how retarded I am here but whatever. [/quote] [quote]I'm nearly finished Uni and through a combination of poor coordination, living out of town and plain retardedness, I've only seen or talked to my friends from there a few times this year.[/quote] [quote]Unfortunately I have been feeling shit in both body and mind, bordering on self-diagnosed depression if that wasn't so stupid.[/quote] [quote]All that matters is I'm probably going to be a sad sack of shit, drink til I puke and fuck everything up even more, as I usually do.[/quote] he calls himself retarded, almost finished Uni yet hardly talks to friends, says he feels depressed yet dismisses any conception of a serious depressive disorder, and has low self-esteem that [b]manifests in self-destructive behavior[/b] how fucking ignorant do you have to be to look at that and say that's "bullshit malarky"? this is why i'm incredibly pissed off because most of you have ZERO conception of how people with depression behave, yet you're trying to give piss-poor excuses for advice. if this is your idea for helping you're better off logging out.
i dont know exactly who you're addressing, but i was arguing that if you felt like you might have depression, go see a doctor and get diagnosed dont just say "I have depression i just self diagnosed myself!" and then ask for help on the internet or something
self-diagnosed. What is, the best way to treat depression, in case a person is depressed?
Guys. The depression topic is next door. Can we change the subject?
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;36667535]dont just say "I have depression i just self diagnosed myself!" and then ask for help on the internet or something[/QUOTE] you think hostility towards someone asking for help on the internet is the right way to go?
we being social, chillx [editline]7th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;36667571]you think hostility towards someone asking for help on the internet is the right way to go?[/QUOTE] How is that hostile, holy shit?
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;36667561]Guys. The depression topic is next door. Can we change the subject?[/QUOTE] this isn't about depression , this is about the terrible advice that this thread doles out. [editline]7th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Seith;36667574] How is that hostile, holy shit?[/QUOTE] [quote]Not sure what I expected, so don't worry about it any more. No more discussing fake depression, my retarded problems or whatever, it's done.[/quote] good job
[QUOTE=thisispain;36667571]you think hostility towards someone asking for help on the internet is the right way to go?[/QUOTE] asking for advice is different than solving a medical problem if someone wants advice about depression i would tell them to visit someone who knows what they are doing: a doctor thats my advice [editline]7th July 2012[/editline] also it's not being hostile to say something is not the right choice
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;36667621] if someone wants advice about depression i would tell them to visit someone who knows what they are doing: a doctor[/QUOTE] and i'm completely fine with that. go count the amount of times someone replied to Devodiere with something like: "i feel like you might have a serious problem, please go see a doctor". i count 0
[QUOTE=thisispain;36667585]this isn't about depression , this is about the terrible advice that this thread doles out. [editline]7th July 2012[/editline] good job[/QUOTE] He gave up on himself. I give tips on how he could change himself, I can't do it for him. That's not hostility, but real life. Unless, he is clinically depressed, then he can't help himself. We don't know that.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;36666469]Personally I disagree a bit about that last part, a psychologist should not expect you to be willing to change but should try to make you willing. Medification - from personal experience and from what I have heard from pretty much everybody I've spoken to - doesn't directly do anything about depression unless the clear reason for your depression is due to physical reasons.[/QUOTE] well.. depression is technically always due to physical reasons. it has to do with imbalances of neurotransmitters. there's a lot of trial and error involved with medication: a psychiatrist can't discern exactly what adjustment needs to be made to normalize your brain just based on talking to you, though he can come up with a list of possible problems. there are different categories of antidepressants that have different functions and are designed to deal with imbalances of different neurotransmitters (for instance, ssris increase the activity of serotonin). antidepressants also tend to have tons of side effects, and finding a medication that not only helps you but has minimal side effects for you is extremely difficult.
[QUOTE=Seith;36667650]I give tips on how he could change himself[/QUOTE] running joke.
who is devodiere I was just arguing with the people saying its fine to self-diagnose
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;36667674]who is devodiere I was just arguing with the people saying its fine to self-diagnose[/QUOTE] the person who asked for advice because he felt like shit and said self-diagnosis was stupid. if you are arguing with people who are saying it's fine to self-diagnose i think you need to have a lie-down because nobody said it's fine to self-diagnose. i didn't, Behemoth_PT didn't, not even devodire did.
uh am i mistaken or was devodiere the one giving out advice like "just get over it"?? why would i tell him to see a doctor? [editline]7th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;36658319]You see, depression is a real thing and you've gotta pull yourself up by the bootstraps. Stop eating shit and go for a run fatty, that's probably your first problem. Don't worry if you don't have any willpower, that's what depression does, you just have to have the willpower to get more willpower and solve your own problems, because no-one else gives a shit about you. And don't forget, you have to do everything you don't feel like doing because you're not in a state to be making any decisions.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;36667689]uh am i mistaken or was devodiere the one giving out advice like "just get over it"??[/QUOTE] man, just forget i said anything he was being sarcastic this is why i asked if anyone actually read devodiere's post
that entire paragraph was sarcastic?? thats just a problem with wording because I could not tell at all! [QUOTE=thisispain;36667687]the person who asked for advice because he felt like shit and said self-diagnosis was stupid. if you are arguing with people who are saying it's fine to self-diagnose i think you need to have a lie-down because nobody said it's fine to self-diagnose. i didn't, Behemoth_PT didn't, not even devodire did.[/QUOTE] you did though. you were sarcastic about needing a doctor to realize you have depression, and I even asked you about that. you were so certain that you had been responding to everything I said instead of dismissing it, so I assumed that there was no misunderstanding there that you needed to clean up. that means you were saying self-diagnosis is ok, because "who needs a doctor??"
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;36667653]well.. depression is technically always due to physical reasons. it has to do with imbalances of neurotransmitters. there's a lot of trial and error involved with medication: a psychiatrist can't discern exactly what adjustment needs to be made to normalize your brain just based on talking to you, though he can come up with a list of possible problems. there are different categories of antidepressants that have different functions and are designed to deal with imbalances of different neurotransmitters (for instance, ssris increase the activity of serotonin). antidepressants also tend to have tons of side effects, and finding a medication that not only helps you but has minimal side effects for you is extremely difficult.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure I see what exacly you mean. If you have a problem in life that causes you to feel depressed, taking antidepressants isn't going to make you suddenly happy and not worry about that problem. Ofcourse now I'm speaking of the symptom of feeling depressed, and while curing a major depression is possible with antidepressants, I'm not sure that'll do much if the symptom will still be there. I've taken three different meds, supposively to stimulate three different chemical situations, yet the only thing I noticed was a few side effects such as being able to sleep very well on one and having a soar stomach by the other. I mean, as I said the symptom of being depressed is ofcourse chemical and should then theoretically be able to be helped. But a medicine isn't going to make you not sad.
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;36667738] you did though. you were sarcastic about needing a doctor to realize you have depression, and I even asked you about that. you were so certain that you had been responding to everything I said instead of dismissing it, so I assumed that there was no misunderstanding there that you needed to clean up. that means you were saying self-diagnosis is ok, because "who needs a doctor??"[/QUOTE] okay please forget everything i've ever said what i said was that the symptom of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression_(mood)]depression[/url] is something that you can feel without a doctor because it's a natural human state, but if you do feel it hinders or hurts you then you need to see a doctor because you might have [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder]a serious depressive disorder[/url]. are we 100% clear now??
[QUOTE=Seith;36667555]self-diagnosed. What is, the best way to treat depression, in case a person is depressed?[/QUOTE] SSRIs, and Cognitive-behavioral therapy. An online forum can't even begin to scratch the surface in treating depression. Even if the advice given is hostile or comforting. So no matter what you guys do, suggest, or say. If the guy is truly depressed, and you don't hold an M.D. degree and can't write him a script, and can't get him therapy, then your bickering is a waste of time.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;36667744]I'm not sure I see what exacly you mean. If you have a problem in life that causes you to feel depressed, taking antidepressants isn't going to make you suddenly happy and not worry about that problem. Ofcourse now I'm speaking of the symptom of feeling depressed, and while curing a major depression is possible with antidepressants, I'm not sure that'll do much if the symptom will still be there. I've taken three different meds, supposively to stimulate three different chemical situations, yet the only thing I noticed was a few side effects such as being able to sleep very well on one and having a soar stomach by the other. I mean, as I said the symptom of being depressed is ofcourse chemical and should then theoretically be able to be helped. But a medicine isn't going to make you not sad.[/QUOTE] if something bad happens that causes you to feel depressed then that's a different story, but otherwise, depression is little more than neurotransmitter imbalances. if you're able to normalize the activity of chemicals that regulate your own happiness then technically it will cure your depression while you continue to take the medication. and yeah, i've been through a ton of antidepressants as well. more often than not they would work for about a week (usually with drastic side effects) and after that, they would completely lose their impact and no size dosage would cause the same effect. [editline]7th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ScoutKing;36667791]SSRIs[/QUOTE] there are maybe 30 different kinds of antidepressants and ssris are only one of them.
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;36667795]if something bad happens that causes you to feel depressed then that's a different story, but otherwise, depression is little more than neurotransmitter imbalances. if you're able to normalize the activity of chemicals that regulate your own happiness then technically it will cure your depression while you continue to take the medication. and yeah, i've been through a ton of antidepressants as well. more often than not they would work for about a week (usually with drastic side effects) and after that, they would completely lose their impact and no size dosage would cause the same effect.[/QUOTE] Then we're on the clear. I should have made it more specific that when I meant physical depression I meant something that had nothing to do with an emotionally upsetting factor from outside the body.
When I used to be depressed my friends helped a lot. And I mean it. My ex used to be one those friends I would resort to when I was feeling like shit. But some good things don't last and I made the terrible mistake of dating her and now we don't see eachother nor talk anymore.
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;36667855]When I used to be depressed my friends helped a lot. And I mean it. My ex used to be one those friends I would resort to when I was feeling like shit. But some good things don't last and I made the terrible mistake of dating her and now we don't see eachother nor talk anymore.[/QUOTE] Gotta hate the mistakes you make when you're unstable.
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;36667795] there are maybe 30 different kinds of antidepressants and ssris are only one of them.[/QUOTE] Most common, and effective.
also, this is kind of irrelevant but just something i find interesting - there have been psychological studies that show that people will often inaccurately attribute their emotions to certain events. for instance, someone in a bad mood might blame their emotions on something happening to them. like teen drama, for instance - teens sometimes blame their parents' actions for their anger when in reality it's probably just the changes their brains are undergoing that are causing them to be emotional. sometimes our emotions are completely irrelevant to what's actually going on in our lives, we just try to find an external cause of them.
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;36667917]also, this is kind of irrelevant but just something i find interesting - there have been psychological studies that show that people will often inaccurately attribute their emotions to certain events. for instance, someone in a bad mood might blame their emotions on something happening to them. like teen drama, for instance - teens sometimes blame their parents' actions for their anger when in reality it's probably just the changes their brains are undergoing that are causing them to be emotional. sometimes our emotions are completely irrelevant to what's actually going on in our lives, we just try to find an external cause of them.[/QUOTE] It's sensible, and I agree.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;36667890]Most common, and effective.[/QUOTE] sorry but the second half of what you said is completely wrong. depression can have a TON of different neurological causes, what you're essentially suggesting is that every kind of depression is caused by the exact same type of chemical imbalance. yes, they're the most common, but every person's brain is completely different and no single solution is going to help everyone.
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;36667917]also, this is kind of irrelevant but just something i find interesting - there have been psychological studies that show that people will often inaccurately attribute their emotions to certain events. for instance, someone in a bad mood might blame their emotions on something happening to them. like teen drama, for instance - teens sometimes blame their parents' actions for their anger when in reality it's probably just the changes their brains are undergoing that are causing them to be emotional. sometimes our emotions are completely irrelevant to what's actually going on in our lives, we just try to find an external cause of them.[/QUOTE] Not the case where i work. I would say 80% of the patients are clinically depressed and are on an SSRI from the charts i have leafed through in the last day. They depressed mostly because of the reason they're in assisted living. They're fucking paralyzed.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;36667959]Not the case where i work. I would say 80% of the patients are clinically depressed and are on an SSRI from the charts i have leafed through in the last day. They depressed mostly because of the reason they're in assisted living. They're fucking paralyzed.[/QUOTE] i didn't mean that's the case 100% of the time. of course external factors can have an impact on our emotions. all i meant was when someone can't find a clear cause for their emotions they will falsely attribute them to an external factor.
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