The Super Friendly Social and Love Advice Thread v3 - February
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yeah well that's what they call it.
[QUOTE=thisispain;37539380]that's not confidence, that's over-compensation.
i cringed pretty hard[/QUOTE]
Is there an opinion here or just general discontent for no reason with them?
[QUOTE=Seith;37538325]How do you know their goals? Have attached yourself magically into their brains or is this just assuming shit?
Furthermore, how do you know it makes the girl uncomfortable? You're such a goddamn white-knight that it's completely bullshit. Really, asking their number only for the looks??? OH THEY"RE SUCH BAD PEOPLE, DAMN, WHO THE HELL TALKS TO A WOMAN JUST CUS OF THEIR LOOKS ???? PREPOSTEROUS!!
Nostradamus, how do you know what people in this thread are looking for? This is completely subjective and hardly even realistic for the above reasons.
Really, the last paragraph just compltely denies any credibility you might have again for the above reasons.
Simplepickup allow people the power to change what they think about themselves and unless you want to rape the girl in front of you, this is all subjective and plain insecurity coverd by a coat of red roses called a "white knight personality".[/QUOTE]
Wow seith you sure proved me wrong - pickup artists are only there to give other people confidence! My mistake!
I know their goals because their name is SimplePickup and it'd be kind of off-kilter to think that SimplePickup isn't trying to show videos of themselves doing Simple Pickups, thus making them affiliate money and/or selling their bootcamp packages.
Here's some pictures of their youtube channel:
[img]http://puu.sh/121Pc[/img]
[img]http://puu.sh/121Py[/img]
Not to mention all of their videos involve them [I]picking up girls[/I].
It makes the girl uncomfortable because they're being so sexually over-the-top in public that she has no other option than to nervously laugh and respond occasionally. Watch the Disney video above and tell me that most of the girls are totally OK with it.
I'm guessing what people in the thread are looking for are relationships, based on the last 187 pages. There might be one or two people who made relevant posts that aren't looking for/giving relationship/social advice.
I don't see what the last paragraph does to eliminate credibility, because it's true. It's the same reason it's not a good idea to admit to a girl that you like her (on a smaller scale obviously) - by asking her out, you can play it down if she rejects you and not reveal the elephant. Instead of saying 'wow this is really awkward haha', you could maybe just find a topic for the conversation.
SimplePickup doesn't somehow imbue people with confidence. It makes you think that if you want to talk to a girl, you not only have to follow the pua way, but the pua way is the only way to get results. Once you're convinced that "wow, these guys are kings, maybe if I do what they do I'll be able to talk to girls", you go out and try it on girls in your class or girls in the street, and when you start to be known as a creep, you blame it on not trying enough.
[QUOTE=Disseminate;37539758]Wow seith you sure proved me wrong - pickup artists are only there to give other people confidence! My mistake!
I know their goals because their name is SimplePickup and it'd be kind of off-kilter to think that SimplePickup isn't trying to show videos of themselves doing Simple Pickups, thus making them affiliate money and/or selling their bootcamp packages.
Here's some pictures of their youtube channel:
[img]http://puu.sh/121Pc[/img]
[img]http://puu.sh/121Py[/img]
Not to mention all of their videos involve them [I]picking up girls[/I].
It makes the girl uncomfortable because they're being so sexually over-the-top in public that she has no other option than to nervously laugh and respond occasionally. Watch the Disney video above and tell me that most of the girls are totally OK with it.
I'm guessing what people in the thread are looking for are relationships, based on the last 187 pages. There might be one or two people who made relevant posts that aren't looking for/giving relationship/social advice.
I don't see what the last paragraph does to eliminate credibility, because it's true. It's the same reason it's not a good idea to admit to a girl that you like her (on a smaller scale obviously) - by asking her out, you can play it down if she rejects you and not reveal the elephant. Instead of saying 'wow this is really awkward haha', you could maybe just find a topic for the conversation.
SimplePickup doesn't somehow imbue people with confidence. It makes you think that if you want to talk to a girl, you not only have to follow the pua way, but the pua way is the only way to get results. Once you're convinced that "wow, these guys are kings, maybe if I do what they do I'll be able to talk to girls", you go out and try it on girls in your class or girls in the street, and when you start to be known as a creep, you blame it on not trying enough.[/QUOTE]
Oh, they now all lost credibility because they want to earn a buck. As if people are sucked into a dream they are not fulfilling, forcefully. Bullshit, people pay money for their hard-earned lessons, whether you like it or not is subjective and misleading. [i]I am not protecting them, but pointing out the absurdness in your reasoning for discontent with them[/i]. If someone wants to pay 900$ to be able to not piss his pants when talking to women, then he should go for it. Their name is simplepickup because it is not MYSTERY. Trust me, they don't know how to do pickup according to the videos... at least not textbooks ones. They follow no guidelines because they are saying exactly what their heads are thinking about.
Secondly, again, I shall ask you - how do you know? "it's obvious". Nothing is obvious, it's all open to interpretations. Have you ever approached a woman on the street, that you say this so firmly? Did you truly feel your heart ache upon approaching oh-so naive, unsuspecting women with your want to genuinely familiar yourself with who they are????? If so, you can stop reading now, this is a whole new different type of problem. Judging, interpretation is all you are doing right now.... Once you go out on the street and start enjoying yourself I bet you can make the women you ask for "the time" enjoy themselves as well....
Thirdly, "I'm [b]guessing[/b] what people in the thread...." no actual answer here. As I've said, Nostradamus cut the bullshit. Speculations just to prove your point.
And finally and probably most importantly, making a conversation awkward and feeling awkward is completely subjective. I can look like a hobo and still be a king, it's all up in your head; state of mind. Their way of pickup, is as their name state - simple. "Hello, name's Kong, suck my dick" "haha, you're cute". There's no single, absolute way to hit on all types of women. [i]If that works for them, they can do the fuck they want to do. The women can just leave the conversation, no one is being unnecessarily uncomfortable, trust me on this.[/i]
Simplepickup in their way, whether you'd like to admit it or not, do imbue people with self-worth. It teaches it's possible even through the most idiotic pickup lines. You probably were a creep, were called and decided to call it quits. Whatever your reason, it is not in line with reality.
[QUOTE=thisispain;37539380]that's not confidence, that's over-compensation.
i cringed pretty hard[/QUOTE]
haha yeah good one call their penises small that'll teach anyone to listten to them!!
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;37540142]haha yeah good one call their penises small that'll teach anyone to listten to them!![/QUOTE]
i'm sure they are aware of their small penises
I was in love with this chick like 4 years ago, i was in a rough spot in my life and didn't bother making a move, eventually the passion burned out, and i wasn't "in-love" with her anymore but i still love her in the innocent sense of the word, i've fallen in love with other people since then, dated plenty, copious amounts of sex over the years, but when i think about why all my relationships fail i can't help but think that i'm still somewhat in love with the same girl.
We still talk sometimes, not as much because we now live in opposite cities and have busy lives, should i tell her about how i felt? or just sweep it under the rug
Sweep it. It'll only be awkward between you two.
At college for a week, haven't really made any close friends yet. My room mates are lame - they never go out, but I guess I'm lame too. I dunno, I was actually fairly socially successful in high school, but I feel that now I've been thrust into college I have no idea what to do. Not to mention I haven't even like, become friends with any girls yet.
[QUOTE=Seith;37540036]Oh, they now all lost credibility because they want to earn a buck. As if people are sucked into a dream they are not fulfilling, forcefully. Bullshit, people pay money for their hard-earned lessons, whether you like it or not is subjective and misleading. [i]I am not protecting them, but pointing out the absurdness in your reasoning for discontent with them[/i]. If someone wants to pay 900$ to be able to not piss his pants when talking to women, then he should go for it. Their name is simplepickup because it is not MYSTERY. Trust me, they don't know how to do pickup according to the videos... at least not textbooks ones. They follow no guidelines because they are saying exactly what their heads are thinking about.
Secondly, again, I shall ask you - how do you know? "it's obvious". Nothing is obvious, it's all open to interpretations. Have you ever approached a woman on the street, that you say this so firmly? Did you truly feel your heart ache upon approaching oh-so naive, unsuspecting women with your want to genuinely familiar yourself with who they are????? If so, you can stop reading now, this is a whole new different type of problem. Judging, interpretation is all you are doing right now.... Once you go out on the street and start enjoying yourself I bet you can make the women you ask for "the time" enjoy themselves as well....
Thirdly, "I'm [b]guessing[/b] what people in the thread...." no actual answer here. As I've said, Nostradamus cut the bullshit. Speculations just to prove your point.
And finally and probably most importantly, making a conversation awkward and feeling awkward is completely subjective. I can look like a hobo and still be a king, it's all up in your head; state of mind. Their way of pickup, is as their name state - simple. "Hello, name's Kong, suck my dick" "haha, you're cute". There's no single, absolute way to hit on all types of women. [i]If that works for them, they can do the fuck they want to do. The women can just leave the conversation, no one is being unnecessarily uncomfortable, trust me on this.[/i]
Simplepickup in their way, whether you'd like to admit it or not, do imbue people with self-worth. It teaches it's possible even through the most idiotic pickup lines. You probably were a creep, were called and decided to call it quits. Whatever your reason, it is not in line with reality.[/QUOTE]
But they [I]do[/I] follow guidelines; that's PUA at its core. You're supposed to shuffle with the girl, do kino BS, look for signs, that sort of thing; certainly if someone wants to pay for it, they can go for it - I just find it kind of dumb that they're paying for it when they could just do it themselves with practise. It's a totally unnecessary expense that SimplePickup markets.
Yeah, and all I can do is judge and interpret. I know what discomfort looks like, because I'm a human that grew up with other humans, and I've had awkward moments before. Sure, anyone can pickup a girl, I don't doubt that - what I doubt is that the majority mature people want just a one night stand.
Social dynamics can't be boiled down to numbers and concrete facts (hey, coincidentally, just like PUAs operate). I don't know how you can expect me to provide hard facts in a social advice thread, where nearly everything in here is word of mouth.
OK sure making a conversation awkward and feeling awkward is subjective, I get it; that doesn't mean that saying "this conversation is awkward" is a good idea.
What I'm saying is that using pickup for self-confidence is risking embarrassment and ego (and sometimes, money) for no reason other than you couldn't find an easier way.
By the way, as for your ad hominems - "Nostradamus cut the bullshit. Speculations just to prove your point."
[editline]4th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=BobIsCrappy;37542081]At college for a week, haven't really made any close friends yet. My room mates are lame - they never go out, but I guess I'm lame too. I dunno, I was actually fairly socially successful in high school, but I feel that now I've been thrust into college I have no idea what to do. Not to mention I haven't even like, become friends with any girls yet.[/QUOTE]
Do they not go out because they're nerdy, or not go out because they haven't had opportunities? If it's the latter, take initiative and go get drinks or something. If it's the former, make a study group.
In fact, making a study group is a great way to get stuff done while developing friendships. I got some people from my classes together and voilà - we're great friends now.
I never feel like my girlfriend's apologies are sincere. Whether it's through a text or in person, I just can't ever believe her. Maybe it's because when I screw up, I apologize a lot more than she does, maybe it's because she always apologizes right after and I'm still angry about it, or maybe it's because she always does it (whatever it is) again....
How do I go about this? Do I work on accepting them? Or do I talk to her about how it bothers me that she always does whatever it is again, even if she claims she was really sorry.
[QUOTE=D0C H.;37542030]Sweep it. It'll only be awkward between you two.[/QUOTE]
any arguments [i]for[/i] telling?
[QUOTE=Disseminate;37542105]Do they not go out because they're nerdy, or not go out because they haven't had opportunities? If it's the latter, take initiative and go get drinks or something. If it's the former, make a study group.
In fact, making a study group is a great way to get stuff done while developing friendships. I got some people from my classes together and voilà - we're great friends now.[/QUOTE]
They're pretty bro-y, they just don't go out. I think they're going through the same thing I am. I'll try to get something going with them.
[QUOTE=DrBreen;37542231]any arguments [i]for[/i] telling?[/QUOTE]
Uh, not that I can think of other than to get it off of your chest. The chances of anything happening are pretty much incredibly thin, so no point in thinking about that.
I don't want to try their tips to really get chicks, I just want to be less of a nervous wreck. I doubt I will ever go around doing anything remotely like they do.
I get nervous and stuttery even hanging out with friends.
[editline]4th September 2012[/editline]
I just browsed through some of their advice videos for free, it's not like you need to do their go thing.
[editline]4th September 2012[/editline]
I mean, I know I might come off as a creep, but personally I think just going out and talking to people, even if I do not want a number or a date or feel any physical attraction can help a bit.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37543411]I don't want to try their tips to really get chicks, I just want to be less of a nervous wreck. I doubt I will ever go around doing anything remotely like they do.
I get nervous and stuttery even hanging out with friends.
[editline]4th September 2012[/editline]
I just browsed through some of their advice videos for free, it's not like you need to do their go thing.
[editline]4th September 2012[/editline]
I mean, I know I might come off as a creep, but personally I think just going out and talking to people, even if I do not want a number or a date or feel any physical attraction can help a bit.[/QUOTE]
this is gonna sound pretty Jedi-ish (i've been playing KOTOR2 a lot) but why are you looking to the outside when you should be looking inside and asking yourself why you are such a nervous wreck!
the reason why i say it's over-compensation is that [b]it doesn't get to the core reason[/b]. you're just masking it by mimicking these random people on youtube.
why do you feel nervous and stuttery? it could be a legitimate problem that won't be solved by advice youtube videos.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37543411]I don't want to try their tips to really get chicks, I just want to be less of a nervous wreck. I doubt I will ever go around doing anything remotely like they do.
I get nervous and stuttery even hanging out with friends.
[editline]4th September 2012[/editline]
I just browsed through some of their advice videos for free, it's not like you need to do their go thing.
[editline]4th September 2012[/editline]
I mean, I know I might come off as a creep, but personally I think just going out and talking to people, even if I do not want a number or a date or feel any physical attraction can help a bit.[/QUOTE]
In that sort of thing? You don't need to learn how to pickup or 'analyse' the people you're talking to or trying to talk to - only robots try and do that. You just need to find more ways to identify with yourself and be more confident.
I think I legit have social anxiety - there was this "dance party" on my floor which was started by the RA, and I had the tightness in my chest that I get when I'm anxious, I was sweating, and there was a nervous-ness in my voice when I talked - you know, that sort of stutter. And it's weird, because I'm on SSRI's which are supposed to reduce anxiety.
EDIT: Shit, is this in the wrong thread?
i also think you have legit social anxiety, tightness in the chest is dangerous
Probably the thread he should go to is
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1160468[/url]
[QUOTE=BobIsCrappy;37545497]I think I legit have social anxiety - there was this "dance party" on my floor which was started by the RA, and I had the tightness in my chest that I get when I'm anxious, I was sweating, and there was a nervous-ness in my voice when I talked - you know, that sort of stutter. And it's weird, because I'm on SSRI's which are supposed to reduce anxiety.
EDIT: Shit, is this in the wrong thread?[/QUOTE]
If you just started on your SSRI's, give them time. They don't work like Advil, takes time. But you should also understand they won't "fix/cure/appease" your social anxiety as you would like them too.
Best thing i can tell you is to communicate well with your doctor/therapist, and take things slowly when it comes to amping up your social interactions.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;37544118]In that sort of thing? You don't need to learn how to pickup or 'analyse' the people you're talking to or trying to talk to - only robots try and do that. [b]You just need to find more ways to identify with yourself and be more confident.[/b][/QUOTE]
Simplepickup isn't a way? Your comment is just irrelevant and dumb at it's core; they are obviously not of any "pua stature"
[editline]5th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=thisispain;37543638]this is gonna sound pretty Jedi-ish (i've been playing KOTOR2 a lot) but why are you looking to the outside when you should be looking inside and asking yourself why you are such a nervous wreck!
the reason why i say it's over-compensation is that [b]it doesn't get to the core reason[/b]. you're just masking it by mimicking these random people on youtube.
why do you feel nervous and stuttery? it could be a legitimate problem that won't be solved by advice youtube videos.[/QUOTE]
Sup Seith? This is so hypocritical.... Now you want people looking for answers on the inside because it follows your initial statement of "I think of simplepickup and I cringe"
Obviously he says he gets nervous around women, how does meditating about his problem repair it? I can't fix my money issues if I only find out the reason.
i want him to do something besides looking at youtube videos yes
[QUOTE=Disseminate;37542105]But they [I]do[/I] follow guidelines; that's PUA at its core. You're supposed to shuffle with the girl, do kino BS, look for signs, that sort of thing; certainly if someone wants to pay for it, they can go for it - I just find it kind of dumb that they're paying for it when they could just do it themselves with practise. It's a totally unnecessary expense that SimplePickup markets.
Yeah, and all I can do is judge and interpret. I know what discomfort looks like, because I'm a human that grew up with other humans, and I've had awkward moments before. Sure, anyone can pickup a girl, I don't doubt that - what I doubt is that the majority mature people want just a one night stand.
Social dynamics can't be boiled down to numbers and concrete facts (hey, coincidentally, just like PUAs operate). I don't know how you can expect me to provide hard facts in a social advice thread, where nearly everything in here is word of mouth.
OK sure making a conversation awkward and feeling awkward is subjective, I get it; that doesn't mean that saying "this conversation is awkward" is a good idea.
What I'm saying is that using pickup for self-confidence is risking embarrassment and ego (and sometimes, money) for no reason other than you couldn't find an easier way.
By the way, as for your ad hominems - "Nostradamus cut the bullshit. Speculations just to prove your point."
[editline]4th September 2012[/editline]
Do they not go out because they're nerdy, or not go out because they haven't had opportunities? If it's the latter, take initiative and go get drinks or something. If it's the former, make a study group.
In fact, making a study group is a great way to get stuff done while developing friendships. I got some people from my classes together and voilà - we're great friends now.[/QUOTE]
You have failed to provide concrete answers as to why you shouldn't watch or do their boot camps besides the fact you can "tell" uncomfortable situations and that it's too risky to be worth it (i.e being called a creep, embarrassment... etc bullshit)
welcome to the real world where risks are higher and the prizes are even higher.
[editline]5th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=thisispain;37546539]i want him to do something besides looking at youtube videos yes[/QUOTE]
If you meant action, then I'm with you on that.
watching a youtube video is an action
[QUOTE=thisispain;37546551]watching a youtube video is an action[/QUOTE]
If you consider flicks of the mouse and your eyelids moving, then sure...... if you want to play it down that way.
[QUOTE=Seith;37546446]Simplepickup isn't a way? Your comment is just irrelevant and dumb at it's core; they are obviously not of any "pua stature"
[editline]5th September 2012[/editline]
Sup Seith? This is so hypocritical.... Now you want people looking for answers on the inside because it follows your initial statement of "I think of simplepickup and I cringe"
Obviously he says he gets nervous around women, how does meditating about his problem repair it? I can't fix my money issues if I only find out the reason.[/QUOTE]
Obviously I get that you think it's useful and it's your right to think that but do you have to be such an asshole about it
I'm saying it to him personally. If he's even having trouble around his friends like he says, then simple pickup is not the right way to go for him
Also I don't see how thisispain is being hypocritical in any way? Tbh I think you completely misread everything that's been said
How do you know it's not the way? Is there a SUPERIOR way, a better way? HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?
Trust me, if you want to understand what you are really capable of, talk to a woman you don't know on the street.
[QUOTE=D0C H.;37542844]Uh, not that I can think of other than to get it off of your chest. The chances of anything happening are pretty much incredibly thin, so no point in thinking about that.[/QUOTE]
i don't want anything to really happen i just want to tell her that's it
[QUOTE=Seith;37546596]How do you know it's not the way? Is there a SUPERIOR way, a better way? HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?
Trust me, if you want to understand what you are really capable of, talk to a woman you don't know on the street.[/QUOTE]
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