• The Super Friendly Social and Love Advice Thread v3 - February
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[QUOTE=Clunj;37734072]What? Just because someone has formed an opinion doesn't mean you can't change it. Maybe not when you're a robot with strict programming, but us humans have a thing called [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will"]free will[/URL] which in turn leads to a thing called [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_choice_theory"]choices.[/URL][/QUOTE] no, free will is an illusion [url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18408715]SCIENCE![/url]
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;37737731]no, free will is an illusion [url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18408715]SCIENCE![/url][/QUOTE] The way I see it, control is a[del]n illusion created between those with power and those without[/del] function of self-awareness. I liken free will to having complete self-awareness, which is impossible because you can't be aware of everything at once. If it were on a graph, it would an asymptote, i.e. you could keep getting closer but you'd never reach complete awareness and therefore never true "free will".
[QUOTE=JgcxCub;37737810]The way I see it, control is a[del]n illusion created between those with power and those without[/del] function of self-awareness. I liken free will to having complete self-awareness, which is impossible because you can't be aware of everything at once. If it were on a graph, it would an asymptote, i.e. you could keep getting closer but you'd never reach complete awareness and therefore never true "free will".[/QUOTE] The way you define control is exactly the opposite of someone with control over his life. If you need to be aware of everything around you, according to you, to be in control, then you're never at control. That exact thinking is what leads people to automatically search for reasons for what went wrong instead of looking inside. (i.e my mom was an alcoholic, so I did shit at school, that's why I shoplift and got arrested) Even at gunpoint, there's always choice and understanding that is complete control thus proving free will is not only freely available to anyone but completely available for anyone to master fully with every aspect of their lives.
our thought processes are governed by our biology and not by some higher power of consciousness or our soul or whatever people believe they have. we're just very good at coming up with ways to convince ourselves we're more than atoms humans aren't rational beings. feelings triumph logic for us. we can study our own behavior to better understand our weaknesses and suppress them but attaining "free will" is impossible unless some part of us exists outside of the physical universe and evidence has suggested that is not the case. [editline]20th September 2012[/editline] i guess this all comes down to what you consider free will though, i think we're arguing several different points here right now
That's why I started with [i]The way you define...[/i]. According to what I see, biologically speaking, you have no free will and that we're not rational beings and this is all philoshiply bullshit of animals with self-awareness? Attaining free will is the ability to take responsibility with every action you make and find the love in everything you do.... To not be bounded by emotions or need to be self-aware. The ability to be completely free of comparisons and by thus gaining complete control over myself and my reality.
Protip: unless you're really engaging higher order processes, anything you do is governed by relatively simple response mechanisms Not that you don't have control of course, but you're governed by your programming, not some "higher power of consciousness" as Guy eloquently puts it.
I need you to explain to me "higher order processs" and "simple response mechanisms" in detail.
[QUOTE=Seith;37738494]I need you to explain to me "higher order processs" and "simple response mechanisms" in detail.[/QUOTE] Good example of a higher order process would be well, really thinking deeply. E.g. about existential stuff, oneself, and looking in detail at one's own problems. Of course even in these cases responses occur. In fact, they're always responses of some sort; we are, like everything else, deterministic (i.e. everything happens for a reason). However many of these are due to factors so subtle and convoluted that the response model doesn't describe them too well, so I consider it a separate process. Response mechanism is well how anyone adapts to their environment. Whenever something comes your way that you have to deal with, you don't start thinking about your place in the universe unless you've programmed yourself to respond that way, which is unlikely. Your mind is continually [url=en.wiktionary.org/wiki/parse]parsing[/url] information from the world around you and if a particular event is recognized then the response for said event is triggered. It's put a little simply, I've basically sunk much of the last 6 years of my life to developing a coherent structure of the human mind so if you have any more questions feel free to ask
aren't you like, 18?
autumn you are dealing with an expert of the mind here, please keep your simple questions to yourself
[QUOTE=JgcxCub;37740257]Good example of a higher order process would be well, really thinking deeply. E.g. about existential stuff, oneself, and looking in detail at one's own problems. Of course even in these cases responses occur. In fact, they're always responses of some sort; we are, like everything else, deterministic (i.e. everything happens for a reason). However many of these are due to factors so subtle and convoluted that the response model doesn't describe them too well, so I consider it a separate process. Response mechanism is well how anyone adapts to their environment. Whenever something comes your way that you have to deal with, you don't start thinking about your place in the universe unless you've programmed yourself to respond that way, which is unlikely. Your mind is continually [url=en.wiktionary.org/wiki/parse]parsing[/url] information from the world around you and if a particular event is recognized then the response for said event is triggered. It's put a little simply, I've basically sunk much of the last 6 years of my life to developing a coherent structure of the human mind so if you have any more questions feel free to ask[/QUOTE] So you feel ready essentially to react to anything the world could possibly throw at you? I also want w/e you've been smoking for the past 6 years.
The Super Friendly Social and Philosophy Advice Thread v3 - February
I honestly have no idea of what's going on in this thread. Can anyone give me a rundown since I don't feel like being arsed reading all the posts.
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;37740971]I honestly have no idea of what's going on in this thread. Can anyone give me a rundown since I don't feel like being arsed reading all the posts.[/QUOTE] master debaters at work do not disturb
[QUOTE=JgcxCub;37740257]It's put a little simply, I've basically sunk much of the last 6 years of my life to developing a coherent structure of the human mind so if you have any more questions feel free to ask[/QUOTE] "developing" might i suggest reading a psychology textbook before you start throwing around freudian theories on human thought processes
I once read the wikipedia page on the human mind. informative shit
i once took some acid it was a little boring
no but seriously, scientists have been researching brain and behavior for the last ~150 years. we also now have the technology to do crazy things like map brain activity and even [url=http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2011/09/22/brain-movies/]recreate sensory perceptions based on brain scans.[/url] maybe 150 years ago, people would've loved whatever ideas you might've spouted, but today, speculating without any sort of scientific basis doesn't make you remotely special. all it shows is that you're ignoring the wealth of scientific knowledge we already have available.
Can we talk about tits now?
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;37741725]Can we talk about tits now?[/QUOTE] I like tits. Do you guys like tits?
Only got into college for 1 quarter. Left for the Army. Isolated from rest of world for four months. Return during summer and did nothing but bum about. College starting next week. Time to look for that significant someone.
this threads 2deep4me
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;37741935]I like tits. Do you guys like tits?[/QUOTE] i like dicks
So at the first sign I'm making any progress with my life and you attack it gg "super friendly" [editline]21st September 2012[/editline] i just spend a lot of time at this, i'm not pretending i'm some expert of the mind or anything, no doubt far from it [editline]21st September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Boss;37740656]So you feel ready essentially to react to anything the world could possibly throw at you? I also want w/e you've been smoking for the past 6 years.[/QUOTE] No not at all How did you come to this conclusion [editline]21st September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Guy Mannly;37741497]"developing" might i suggest reading a psychology textbook before you start throwing around freudian theories on human thought processes[/QUOTE] uhm what what does this have to do with freud Like at all [editline]21st September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Guy Mannly;37741681]no but seriously, scientists have been researching brain and behavior for the last ~150 years. we also now have the technology to do crazy things like map brain activity and even [URL="http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2011/09/22/brain-movies/"]recreate sensory perceptions based on brain scans.[/URL] maybe 150 years ago, people would've loved whatever ideas you might've spouted, but today, speculating without any sort of scientific basis doesn't make you remotely special. all it shows is that you're ignoring the wealth of scientific knowledge we already have available.[/QUOTE] Not denying what you've said, it's very valid I'm just trying to study my mind as I might study a computer program I make hypotheses; if they're incorrect I redo them and try to make it better Obviously I make a lot of mistakes but I'm trying to cut down on that
Hey guys, I'm doing pretty well at college in terms of making friends - I've met some cool dudes and we're gonna go see The Hobbit together. But earlier, I had a total Socially Awkward Penguin moment. So basically, there's this really cute girl in one of my english classes. While I was walking out of a convenience store on campus, she goes "Hi Andrew!" and I reply with "Hi!" I then turn to talk to her, but for some reason (I was feeling pretty damn anxious) my brain goes "nope. don't talk to her. just keep on going." so I turned around and walked away. But then I realized, to her it looked like I said hi, walked around in a little circle and then walked away. So yeah. Pretty awkward. The next time I see her... should I bring this up and apologize?
bringing it up again is only going to make it more awkward, if anything just joke about it if she brings it up or something
little things like that really dont matter the other day some girl said "hi, whats up?" to me and i had a brain fart and just repeated to myself "whats up... uhh... oh Nothing!" as i walked by she just sorta laughed it wasnt a very big deal even though i felt kinda dumb
it can be cute when someone makes mistakes like that, it only becomes weird when they make a big deal out of it
Teacher: Stop being a slob and start doing your math. Slob: Ok honey
[QUOTE=JgcxCub;37740257]Good example of a higher order process would be well, really thinking deeply. E.g. about existential stuff, oneself, and looking in detail at one's own problems. Of course even in these cases responses occur. In fact, they're always responses of some sort; we are, like everything else, deterministic (i.e. everything happens for a reason). However many of these are due to factors so subtle and convoluted that the response model doesn't describe them too well, so I consider it a separate process. Response mechanism is well how anyone adapts to their environment. Whenever something comes your way that you have to deal with, you don't start thinking about your place in the universe unless you've programmed yourself to respond that way, which is unlikely. Your mind is continually [url=en.wiktionary.org/wiki/parse]parsing[/url] information from the world around you and if a particular event is recognized then the response for said event is triggered. It's put a little simply, I've basically sunk much of the last 6 years of my life to developing a coherent structure of the human mind so if you have any more questions feel free to ask[/QUOTE] While interesting, I found it hard to see how this is any relevant to the point I was trying to make. Even if everything is governed by simple response mechanisms, that still doesn't negate free will besides the obvious semantics from a biological point of view....
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