Far-right activist Richard Spencer is punched on camera while being interviewed - General

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51709559]Retarded leftist lies, he did not say that. You're losing now and you're going to keep losing. Looking forward to 4 years of Trump :) have fun![/QUOTE] You're fuckin' weird, dude.

[QUOTE=KillRay;51709566]This post is hilarious tbh not so much threatening if that's what u were going for[/QUOTE] It's not, it's just hilarious to see leftists going completely off the rails. It's as bad as the worst basic-bitch republican bullshit I've seen in a long time, and it's only been two days.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51701274][media]https://twitter.com/MrTrunney/status/822580347409932290[/media][/QUOTE] Being filmed holding up a "White lives matter too much" sign or punching someone being interviewed is a great way to legitimize the far-right's accusations of 'anti-white' racism on the left.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51709550]The most you can hope for from debating them at the least is showing others how wrong they are. But you are still providing them a platform, you are still essentially legitimising them. There's no real answer to converting existing neo-nazis, the most we can aim to do is beat them via attrition of new followers.[/QUOTE] violence won't stop them from getting new followers. [editline]22nd January 2017[/editline] not saying you should debate them, but violent assault gives them a more effective platform than debating them would.

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;51709485]Do these fucks not realize that they shouldn't be creating ammo for these people to use when they already create enough of it out of thin air[/QUOTE] What!? What makes you think that. [media]https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/822692005083942912[/media] Ohhhhhhh. I thought violence works guys!? /s

how hard is this to get, you can debate against a nazi without agreeing that nazism is a legitimate political viewpoint, you can engage in some level of discourse and be a lot more more productive then running up and punching him in the fucking face

[QUOTE=eirexe;51709509]bash the fash, it's simple really[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=dewd11;51709501]Violence works, this nazi bitch has been tweeting about how he's scared to go outside. Hopefully next time he goes outside it's his last.[/QUOTE] He who fights monsters, etc.

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it's ironic how most nazis really don't like richard spencer, they'll probably get the biggest laugh out of seeing him get punched in the head edit: it's depressing the amount of people here endorsing the use of violence against someone you disagree with, that kind of mindset is how people are subverted to nazism

[QUOTE=Tudd;51709642][media]https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/822692005083942912[/media][/QUOTE] [media]https://www.twitter.com/dril/status/460673146451161088[/media]

"but they're nazis!!" means nothing at all, your views aren't objectively better. if the very bottom line is to not allow violence to happen then i wouldn't advocate for punching people

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;51710673]"but they're nazis!!" means nothing at all, your views aren't objectively better. if the very bottom line is to not allow violence to happen then i wouldn't advocate for punching people[/QUOTE] Okay look he shouldn't have gotten punched but I'm pretty sure that my views are objectively better, perhaps even largely [i]because[/i] I say he shouldn't be punched. I doubt it's a courtesy he'd extend to a lot of people if he had any actual power.

[QUOTE=Camdude90;51709661]how hard is this to get, you can debate against a nazi without agreeing that nazism is a legitimate political viewpoint, you can engage in some level of discourse and be a lot more more productive then running up and punching him in the fucking face[/QUOTE] here's a guy debating richard spencer [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_b28h5autw[/media] and as you can see lots of folks in the comments were convinced [img]http://i.imgur.com/Te00D1K.png[/img] [editline]22nd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Tudd;51709642]What!? What makes you think that. [media]https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/822692005083942912[/media] Ohhhhhhh. I thought violence works guys!? /s[/QUOTE] oh man he got over 800 retweets that surely is the start of a new movement in the making there [media]http://twitter.com/MrTylerCrook/status/823047508444094465[/media] [media]http://twitter.com/DVSblast/status/822948548857786368[/media] [media]http://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII/status/822916739591766016[/media] [media]http://twitter.com/girlziplocked/status/822664598251864067[/media] [media]http://twitter.com/AliceAvizandum/status/822651259601768448[/media] [url=https://twitter.com/search?q=nazis&src=typd]as you can see[/url], I did not cherry pick very hard to get these results

I feel like this is an impossible to solve issue quite frankly. It's almost paradoxical in nature. If you respond with violence, you legitimize their cause by letting them be the victim and making you the violent oppressor who is suppressing free speech with physical force. If you rationally debate them, you legitimize their cause by giving them a rational platform for their beliefs and giving off the idea that they have actual logical points that need to be disproven through discourse. You cannot win a logical war against fascists because they're not logical. So long as an idea exists in a free nation, it has the potential to spread no matter what you do. All that being said tho bash the fash

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;51710673]"but they're nazis!!" means nothing at all, your views aren't objectively better.[/QUOTE] what is even the point of this sentence? of course nobody's views are "objectively better," there's no objectivity in opinions. but if your views aren't "destroy all nonwhite people" than i think most people can agree they are a million times better than spencer's.

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;51710673]"but they're nazis!!" means nothing at all, your views aren't objectively better. if the very bottom line is to not allow violence to happen then i wouldn't advocate for punching people[/QUOTE] tbh I do think that my views are objectively superior to that of nazis

[QUOTE====;51711062]what is even the point of this sentence? of course nobody's views are "objectively better," there's no objectivity in opinions. but if your views aren't "destroy all nonwhite people" than i think most people can agree they are a million times better than spencer's.[/QUOTE] the point is that someone's views isn't justification for killing or beating them but i probably worded it wrong. and i don't think spencer wants to outright kill all non-whites, he hasn't been punched enough times to push him to that extreme yet

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51709583]It's not, it's just hilarious to see leftists going completely off the rails.[/QUOTE] - [QUOTE=King Tiger;51709559]Retarded leftist lies, he did not say that. You're losing now and you're going to keep losing. Looking forward to 4 years of Trump :) have fun![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51711136]-[/QUOTE] king tiger has been off his own rails for a long time

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;51711098]the point is that someone's views isn't justification for killing or beating them but i probably worded it wrong. and i don't think spencer wants to outright kill all non-whites, he hasn't been punched enough times to push him to that extreme yet[/QUOTE] nobody's talking about killing richard spencer, but the cofounder of his site has been talking about [url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120216183528/http://www.alternativeright.com/main/the-magazine/is-black-genocide-right]killing all the blacks since 2012[/url]. I'm saying this reflects on richard spencer because he obviously read that and was like "yep, fine, put it on the site" of course, that link is now no longer to be found because promoting I'm-so-clever "ironic" genocidal racism became a branding bottleneck for them at some point [editline]23rd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=KillRay;51711149]king tiger has been off his own rails for a long time[/QUOTE] he needs a new transmission :^)

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;51711098] and i don't think spencer wants to outright kill all non-whites, he hasn't been punched enough times to push him to that extreme yet[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2tBDxiWIAAERRo.jpg:large[/IMG]

o shit he really is a nazi

[QUOTE=New Cidem;51701479]You shouldn't punch people because of their opinions. [sp]but that probably felt really good tho[/sp][/QUOTE] Exactly. You should punch people. Period.

[QUOTE=KillRay;51711149]king tiger has been off his own rails for a long time[/QUOTE] I got the impression when he told me voting for Clinton would result in literal nuclear armageddon, it's just funny to see those posts side by side.

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;51711173]o shit he really is a nazi[/QUOTE] he literally advocates for ethnic genocide yes

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;51711173]o shit he really is a nazi[/QUOTE] yeah... makes you think

[QUOTE=Turnips5;51711214]yeah... makes you think[/QUOTE] that you can probably prevent them from gaining power without also using violence because a fist will only physically alter him rather than mentally

Nobody is changing their minds in this thread are they?

To punch or not to punch a Nazi. I've been thinking about the Daryl Davis guy, he did something extraordinary for sure. But I'm not sure if it was something unique to when he did it. The KKK hasn't been anywhere near as prolific, violent, and powerful as they were in the 60s. In 1985 I can definitely still see how the KKK can be attractive to people, but in 2017 we live in an age of infinite free knowledge and global interaction from the internet. I think there's a good chance that yeah, throughout recent American history you really had a good chance to logically convince someone that racism is wrong. But Richard Spencer isn't some poor Appalachian southern kid from the south who got sucked up into the KKK because he had no options and was brainwashed, and with almost no interaction with black people to begin with. His dad was an eye doctor from Dallas and he graduated from college with multiple degrees. He's had plenty of opportunities in his life to see the error of his ways, but he absolutely cannot connect on a basic human level with people just because he sees the color of their skin, or even if they are white he learns they are jewish, or if they are gay. [b]He wants these people dead.[/b] He's that dangerous, insidious kind of radical where he doesn't look like some fringe crazy, you don't immediately know hes racist and when you talk to him hes not screaming in your face just because you're black. But he still wants you dead. I think that in our age if someone is so hardcore set in his beliefs, it's not because he just hasn't met a real gosh darn nice black person, it's because something really is wrong with them. So the problem to me is you can't just debate everyone out of their political views. Spend 10 minutes on the internet and you can learn that. You can type an immaculate 300 paragraph response to someone and they'll call you a faggot and tell you to kill yourself. The problem is that when your opposition is a nazi, they skip straight to the death part. If Winston Churchill decided to punch a Nazi before he got big, WW2 as we know it might not have happened. Now we've got alt-righters flocking to Trump, and under his wing you've got everyone who just simply wants less immigration, to those who think he really is going to remove all the jews from America. The man they adore is in power and no one stopped him, and they think they have free reign over the country now, like it's okay to be a Nazi now that daddy Trump won, as if /pol/ was just a pustule waiting for the right president to burst on us with. But it's undeniably true that meeting them with violence only reinforces them. I made up the term escalation of radicalism recently. All it takes is one side to rise up, and the other feels it's their obligation to meet and surpass it, so on and so on. But nothing stops them from sitting there feeling smug and righteous all the time on the internet either. All it takes is for them to find out the attacker eats poo poo and then it's like a double victory because it fits their agenda. With a Nazi I'm not sure you're ever going to win.

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;51711242]that you can probably prevent them from gaining power without also using violence because a fist will only physically alter him rather than mentally[/QUOTE] But here's the rub: what will alter him mentally? He's been on this tirade for years, and has not changed his viewpoints regardless of any sort of rational debate or discourse that's been directed towards him. This is what your average white supremacist/nazi looks like. They're either so intentionally dense or tightly rooted within their own prejudice that they're unlikely to recede from it. The only thing that can stop this sort of thing from happening is better education and larger cultural shifts, which are incredibly slow moving and sweeping changes, and simply will not change people that already believe this stuff. Fighting ignorance is preventative. By the time people figure that this sort of thing is unacceptable, we might have already experienced the genocide these people are advocating for. Or worse, this sort of thinking will become a significant ideology.