Gay Chat V11 - Were you expecting something funny? - General

[QUOTE=Disgruntled;44926554]Holy shit, that was the song I was just listening to.[/QUOTE] It's my personal favorite song by them, lol.

[QUOTE=FacepunchZen;44922788]I can see where you are coming from, but stuff like that doesn't really bother me anymore. Hell the first time I had sex was in a public park (early morning, with no one around). Its still a little strange to see two people going at it and I wouldn't purposefully start making out and grabbing ass in the middle of a crowded place. Sometimes it seems like its just to show off,but then again other times some people are living in the moment and just don't care who is watching. The latter case is nice to see every now and then because you don't get to see love like that all the time.[/QUOTE] Oh you!~

[t]http://i.imgur.com/htCd8Bj.jpg[/t] Yuummmmm

Ooh, that looks tasty. Alls I got are a couple buffalo chicken sandwiches.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44925007]Public displays of affection are just two people engaged in an activity they find fun that harms nobody else. It's just as rational to get angry at two people for throwing a frisbee around in a park.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, when people start grabbing each other, and things get intimate beyond just greetings. It's not something that 'harms nobody else'. There is a time an place for everything, feel free to kiss your significant other but keep it appropriate, don't be constantly having at it, or getting grabby, feeling them up ect ect. You're just being rude, inappropirate and hell even immature at that point. The main argument surrounding public displays of affection almost always surround acts that go above just platonic acts or small gestures. There's a kiss good bye, then there's a kiss making out. There's hand holding and hugging and then there's groping and feeling each other up. This isn't irrationally getting angry, it's about respecting others. A frisbee throwing? that's innocent and is in no way applicable to this. A frisbee has nothing to do with romantic gestures or displays of affection, it has nothing at all to do with affection in fact.

[QUOTE=Viva;44927371]A frisbee has nothing to do with romantic gestures or displays of affection, a frisbee has nothing at all to with affection at all.[/QUOTE] I'm sure someone can find a way for that. ;)

Sorry Viva, I'm just really trying to understand what you're saying, since I've been through this discussion so many times and I just don't get it. [QUOTE=Viva;44927371]I'm sorry, when people start grabbing each other, and things get intimate beyond just greetings. It's not something that 'harms nobody else'.[/QUOTE] How does it harm anyone else? [QUOTE=Viva;44927371]The main argument surrounding public displays of affection almost always surround acts that go above just platonic acts or small gestures. There's a kiss good bye, then there's a kiss making out. There's hand holding and hugging and then there's groping and feeling each other up.[/QUOTE] Yes, to clarify, I'm talking about making out. I don't see the problem with it. [QUOTE=Viva;44927371]This isn't irrationally getting angry, it's about respecting others. A frisbee throwing? that's innocent and is in no way applicable to this. A frisbee has nothing to do with romantic gestures or displays of affection, it has nothing at all to do with affection in fact.[/QUOTE] How is it disrespecting others?

I don't have a problem with people like having hugs and kisses and stuff in public, but it's kinda eeeh to see people like full on making out or whatever. Like man I'm glad you're so deep in love with each other but that's something you should do in more... private places?

[QUOTE=Rubs10;44927497]How is it disrespecting others?[/QUOTE] Well, I don't know Viva's reasons but personally, I just find it as behavior better kept in private. When you're out in public, you're putting yourself on display with things some people would rather not see, and in most cases you'd be aware of it.

[QUOTE=Gar;44927537]Well, I don't know Viva's reasons but personally, I just find it as behavior better kept in private.[/QUOTE] But whhhyyyyyy [QUOTE=Gar;44927537]When you're out in public, you're putting yourself on display with things some people would rather not see, and in most cases you'd be aware of it.[/QUOTE] That idea is totally lost on me seeing as how I'm gay and most people would rather not see me. Even saying that is an offence to some people.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;44927555]That idea is totally lost on me seeing as how I'm gay and most people would rather not see me.[/QUOTE] Well, I can't really speak for that but I was saying how I would find it disrespectful. Obviously, there are people who are uncomfortable with public displays of affection like that; so doing it anyway isn't that respectful.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;44927497]Sorry Viva, I'm just really trying to understand what you're saying, since I've been through this discussion so many times and I just don't get it. How does it harm anyone else? Yes, to clarify, I'm talking about making out. I don't see the problem with it. How is it disrespecting others?[/QUOTE] It harms other people because it's full on something i don't need to see. I don't need to see someone passionately having at it, it's very inconsiderate for everyone. It's something that the public eye does not need to see How do you not see making out in a very open and very public place not a problem? I keep saying this: there is a time and place for everything, time and fucking place. The bench at the park down the street is not the proper place to go and makeout at 12 noon. No one wants to see that but you and your partner. It's disrupting others because its encroaching on personal boundaries and what is socially acceptable. As it is right now, the vast majority of folks share my mindset of 'keep romantic things to just you and your partner'. I don't need to know you had sex last night that's a detail you keep to yourself, just as you keep your romantic advances to yourself. It's very rude, very inconsiderate, and even selfish to be out in public making out and just telling people to 'deal with it'. I shouldn't have to 'deal with it'. I should be able to walk down that park path uninhibited. I don't have to deal with even complacent drunks who are just sitting in the park. They're not harming anyone, they're just drunk and sitting there but you still can't do that, it's something that the public doesn't need to see. This reminds me of when i was 12 and i went to the playground and saw a couple probably in their late teens, laying on the jungle gym, the guy and girl laying down holding each other and kissing. I was a 12 year old with my friends at the park and we were on the swings, everyone was watching this couple because they were taking up the whole jungle gym, whenever a parent said something or a kid said something to them the reply was just 'fuck off and leave us alone'. You know how people say "get a room"? Yeah, get a room. No one needs to see you having at it with your partner. [editline]27th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Rubs10;44927555]But whhhyyyyyy That idea is totally lost on me seeing as how I'm gay and most people would rather not see me. Even saying that is an offence to some people.[/QUOTE] I can use this logic too. 'even seeing people making out regardless of orientation is offensive to me'

[QUOTE=Viva;44927585]It harms other people because it's full on something i don't need to see.[/QUOTE] Someone could easily say the same thing about blue shirts. Or you.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44927612]Someone could easily say the same thing about blue shirts. Or you.[/QUOTE] Oh come on, that's not an applicable argument and you know it.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44927612]Someone could easily say the same thing about blue shirts. Or you.[/QUOTE] I honestly don't know how to respond to this, it contributes nothing and is only needlessly trying to make things personal with rather bad logic. Ones personal preference of a color, and one has to do with romantic gestures. Zeke you really aren't too good at making analogies or give counter examples.

[QUOTE=Viva;44927635]I honestly don't know how to respond to this, it contributes nothing and is only needlessly trying to make things personal with rather bad logic. Ones personal preference of a color, and one has to do with romantic gestures. Zeke you really aren't too good at making analogies or give counter examples.[/QUOTE] You don't seem to understand the analogy. There's no reason that I can possibly think of, biological, ethical, or otherwise, for romantic gestures to be offensive, or more offensive than blue shirts. It seems totally arbitrary to me to deem them offensive. Like it would be totally arbitrary to deem blue shirts offensive.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;44927652]You don't seem to understand the analogy. There's no reason that I can possibly think of, biological, ethical, or otherwise, for romantic gestures to be offensive, or more offensive than blue shirts.[/QUOTE] This is a debate that i know for fact is fruitless. It's one staunch opinion against the other. You don't understand my logic and i don't understand yours. To me and most others, making out is something that should be done behind closed doors. To you and from what i can tell, the minority, it's the majority complaining about something.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;44927652]You don't seem to understand the analogy. There's no reason that I can possibly think of, biological, ethical, or otherwise, for romantic gestures to be offensive, or more offensive than blue shirts. It seems totally arbitrary to me to deem them offensive. Like it would be totally arbitrary to deem blue shirts offensive.[/QUOTE] What about socially? Making out in public, which is happening in a social capacity, is offensive to some people. And socially, I've never heard any kind of stigma against blue shirts. That doesn't make it a very good analogy. Hell, I'm wearing a blue shirt right now and I was ignored out in public just like every other day.

[QUOTE=Viva;44927662]This is a debate that i know for fact is fruitless. It's one staunch opinion against the other. You don't understand my logic and i don't understand yours. To me and most others, making out is something that should be done behind closed doors. To you and from what i can tell, the minority, it's the majority complaining about something.[/QUOTE] Ugh, I'm not trying to have a staunch opinion here. My problem is that the anti-PDA argument seems to be "it's rude because most people deem it rude, and they deem it rude because it's disrespectful, and it's disrespectful because most people deem it disrespectful, etc." And if that's not the actual argument, then what is? Where's the actual evidence showing that it hurts people? Does PDA trigger something psychological causing crime sprees and murder? Does it turn our children into rapists? Does it destroy the economy due to fewer hotel rooms be purchased? [QUOTE=Gar;44927679]What about socially? Making out in public, which is happening in a social capacity, is offensive to some people. And socially, I've never heard any kind of stigma against blue shirts. That doesn't make it a very good analogy. Hell, I'm wearing a blue shirt right now and I was ignored out in public just like every other day.[/QUOTE] Yes, there is no stigma about blue shirts. Why is there a stigma about romantic gestures in public? And please don't answer "because it's rude/disrespectful/etc.", I want to know [I]why[/I] it's those things.

I know that there's folks out there that will say that seeing such things makes them depressed. But i honestly think that's pushing it. When it comes down to it, things like a kiss, a hug, holding hands, those really are fine. But when things get intimate it's something that should be reserved to do in privacy. Or at the very least a far less public place than a wide open park which puts you on display.

[QUOTE=Viva;44927736]I know that there's folks out there that will say that seeing such things makes them depressed. But i honestly think that's pushing it. When it comes down to it, things like a kiss, a hug, holding hands, those really are fine. But when things get intimate it's something that should be reserved to do in privacy. Or at the very least a far less public place than a wide open park which puts you on display.[/QUOTE] Yes, I know that you think it should be done in private. And if I ask [I]why[/I] it should be done in private, I imagine that you're going to say it's rude, right? And if I ask why it's rude, I guess that you're going to say because a majority of people don't want to see it, right? And if I ask why they don't want to see it, aren't you going to say, because it's rude? I just fail at seeing the logic. Maybe it's because I'm a dumbass and don't realize it. And if that's the case, then I guess I'm SOL ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The grodiest I do in public is sit in laps.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;44927715]Why is there a stigma about romantic gestures in public? And please don't answer "because it's rude/disrespectful/etc.", I want to know [I]why[/I] it's those things.[/QUOTE] Well, it's not really my business. I mean, to be privy to people making out or sharing affection like that, it's not something I care to see because I don't need to see it. I don't need to know how far they're willing to go, it's not information relevant to me but something that I have to see because they cared enough to go that far in a public space.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;44927816]Yes, I know that you think it should be done in private. And if I ask [I]why[/I] it should be done in private, I imagine that you're going to say it's rude, right? And if I ask why it's rude, I guess that you're going to say because a majority of people don't want to see it, right? And if I ask why they don't want to see it, aren't you going to say, because it's rude? I just fail at seeing the logic. Maybe it's because I'm a dumbass and don't realize it. And if that's the case, then I guess I'm SOL ¯\_(ツ)_/¯[/QUOTE] Already explained before, it's all opinion. My logic is just as good as your logic in this regard. Besides rude in and of itself is pretty subjective. Just like how to some it's considered rude to not eat everything on your plate - that harms no one but quite a few cultures consider it rude.

[QUOTE=Viva;44927882]Already explained before, it's all opinion.[/QUOTE] Okay, so there's no logical reason to think it's bad? Doesn't the opinion that PDA is bad lead to bad things being done to people for PDA? [QUOTE=Viva;44927882]Besides rude in and of itself is pretty subjective. Just like how to some it's considered rude to not eat everything on your plate - that harms no one but quite a few cultures consider it rude.[/QUOTE] Isn't it silly to think less of someone for arbitrary social norms?

[QUOTE=Gar;44927623]Oh come on, that's not an applicable argument and you know it.[/QUOTE] And why not? Both are totally arbitrary. Would an objection to someone wearing a cross around their neck be a more apt analogy? Religion is just as touchy as sexuality.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44927990]And why not? Both are totally arbitrary. Would an objection to someone wearing a cross around their neck be a more apt analogy? Religion is just as touchy as sexuality.[/QUOTE] Well, that is better, but I think you might have to go as far as a guy wearing a cross, in a priest's robe, handing out unsolicited church fliers.

[QUOTE=Gar;44928000]Well, that is better, but I think you might have to go as far as a guy wearing a cross, in a priest's robe, handing out unsolicited church fliers.[/QUOTE] Handing out fliers is actively interfering with people. PDA doesn't. The rest of that I'm fine with though. It's not uncommon to see people rather loudly wearing religious attire, be it a headscarf, a nun's habit, or a priest robe. If someone is bothered by someone else being publically religious (in a way that doesn't interfere with others), we consider them an asshole. Why not have the same attitude toward romantic expression?

So i'm sitting here on the sidelines at this point, rereading the last two pages. This is fucking stupid. Like no if ands or buts here, this is stupid. It's pure opinion vs pure opinion. I don't even care about this stuff. If i see someone making out in public i'll think it's rude but i won't go up tothem and stop them. I just ignore them. Right now this is just completely subjective logic vs completely subjective logic. Fuck this i'm staying on the sidelines.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44928042]Handing out fliers is actively interfering with people. PDA doesn't. The rest of that I'm fine with though. It's not uncommon to see people rather loudly wearing religious attire, be it a headscarf, a nun's habit, or a priest robe.[/QUOTE] PDA does, though. See, you're missing the concept that it's something people don't want to see, regardless if it's actually harmful or not. And they don't want to see it, because it's not necessary to. A kiss goodbye, holding hands, or a hug are things you do to display affection. Family and loved ones do those things. Making out, or feeling up your partner is exempt from that because it's sexualized. You don't need to do that out where everyone can see you. If it's something a voyeur would be interested in watching, anyone who isn't doesn't want to see it. And yeah, I guess I'll go ahead and drop out of this too, before it goes any further.