Well being a nuisance and throwing rocks isn't going to make Europe welcome you.
Haven't read too much into this, but where is their ultimate goal to get to?
[QUOTE=Rich209;48615898]Haven't read too much into this, but where is their ultimate goal to get to?[/QUOTE]
Germany, maybe? That's where those refugees in Hungary were trying to get to.
This is my favorite topic on /pol/
This crisis also scares me to death too
[QUOTE=Rich209;48615898]Haven't read too much into this, but where is their ultimate goal to get to?[/QUOTE]
Germany and Scandinavia afaik
Tell them to behave and throw out those that refuse, it should really be as simple as that. I think the whole situation would shape up quickly.
I would be mad as fuck and riot too if I had to spend countless hours fleeing for their life to get to a safe country
Fuck you guys for not understanding this: these are many, many desperate people who will do anything to get from unsafe spot A to safe spot B. If you try to hinder them, refuse them help, treat them like fucking cattle, you will get a riot on your hands.
Granted, I don't know much what triggered this particular outrage and what exactly happened beforehand, but neither do any of you guys. So saying "those idiots should wise up and stop being mad lol" is so stupid, put yourself in their fucking shoes for once.
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("flaming" - Orkel))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Mooe94;48619301]I would be mad as fuck and riot too if I had to spend countless hours fleeing for their life to get to a safe country
Fuck you guys for not understanding this: these are many, many desperate people who will do anything to get from unsafe spot A to safe spot B. If you try to hinder them, refuse them help, treat them like fucking cattle, you will get a riot on your hands.
Granted, I don't know much what triggered this particular outrage and what exactly happened beforehand, but neither do any of you guys. So saying "those idiots should wise up and stop being mad lol" is so stupid, put yourself in their fucking shoes for once.[/QUOTE]
If you can't respect your surroundings, you don't deserve to be let to mainland. These rioters are not the sort of people EU wants. We want civil and well behaved people who are fleeing due to war, not these animals. Rioters should be deported back to where they came from, others sent where they want to go. If you dare to riot in a place you immigrated to like this, you're a shithead. Be fucking grateful you're not getting shelled. But nooo, they will riot because locals didn't do something immigrants wanted them to.
[QUOTE=Mooe94;48619301]I would be mad as fuck and riot too if I had to spend countless hours fleeing for their life to get to a safe country
Fuck you guys for not understanding this: these are many, many desperate people who will do anything to get from unsafe spot A to safe spot B. If you try to hinder them, refuse them help, treat them like fucking cattle, you will get a riot on your hands.
Granted, I don't know much what triggered this particular outrage and what exactly happened beforehand, but neither do any of you guys. So saying "those idiots should wise up and stop being mad lol" is so stupid, put yourself in their fucking shoes for once.[/QUOTE]
Remember there are plenty of safe well funded refugee camps in and around Syria. Those that travel much further than their neighbouring country to seek asylum are doing so for different reason other than safety and fleeing prosecution. They become economic migrants rather than refugees. This is the reason why they travel through Greece and Hungary where they will be safe to try and get to more prosperous nations such as the nordics, Germany and Britain.
While we owe a humanitarian duty to refugees, those that travel for other reasons and try and get around the asylum process should be treated accordingly. Of course providing them with aide but we must also recognise the difference between refugee and economic migrant.
[QUOTE=Mooe94;48619301]I would be mad as fuck and riot too if I had to spend countless hours fleeing for their life to get to a safe country
Fuck you guys for not understanding this: these are many, many desperate people who will do anything to get from unsafe spot A to safe spot B. If you try to hinder them, refuse them help, treat them like fucking cattle, you will get a riot on your hands.
Granted, I don't know much what triggered this particular outrage and what exactly happened beforehand, but neither do any of you guys. So saying "those idiots should wise up and stop being mad lol" is so stupid, put yourself in their fucking shoes for once.[/QUOTE]
Yes, they want a safe spot. So why do you see so many obsessed with Sweden and Germany then?
Are you aware that the human traffickers give papers to show what countries can give you the most money and how easy it is to get a visa?
You should be angry at the migrants that are shitting it up for the real refugees.
I wish it were as easy as looking at a stamp, but it isn't. So why should you just let anyone cross the border without knowing their intent?
We would all do the same when put in the same position.
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;48619339]Yes, they want a safe spot. So why do you see so many obsessed with Sweden and Germany then?
Are you aware that the human traffickers give papers to show what countries can give you the most money and how easy it is to get a visa?
You should be angry at the migrants that are shitting it up for the real refugees.
I wish it were as easy as looking at a stamp, but it isn't. So why should you just let anyone cross the border without knowing their intent?[/QUOTE]
Because Sweden and Germany and France have greater capacity to provide for migrants/refugees? Because the "safe" countries they have access to right now limit them to being trapped on an island or herded into a refugee camp akin to the ones they just fled from in Syria and Turkey? Because Greece and Hungary and Albania have very little to offer right now while France and Germany and Sweden have much more ability to care for these people?
If your laws weren't so stupid in reference to migrants then you wouldn't have people dodging the paperwork and the authorities. Right now you have laws that say once a migrant/refugee signs any paperwork, then they are forced to seek asylum at the first EU country they reach, which for many is Greece and Albania, and if they move beyond then they will be sent back to Greece or to Syria. After all the shit you all give Greece, you also want them to over-encumber themselves with migrants? A country with a economy spiraling out of control that already had enough political violence and a huge number of anti-immigrant violent radicals? If you escaped a war or just left from Turkey would you accept less than what you just came from, when accommodation and aid and comfort is just a few hours away if only you were allowed to leave? These people aren't even seeking Germany outright, they're just trying to get to the mainland of Greece!
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48615820]Well being a nuisance and throwing rocks isn't going to make Europe welcome you.[/QUOTE]
They arrived to Europe and they were blocked so this post is pretty dumb.
Imagine arriving somewhere and all you want to do is cross that place and leave it but when you arrive, people aren't letting you move because ??? and you're being forced to stand in a place with nothing and die. Yeah, obviously they are going to fight back, they ARE DYING.
Point being if you want people out of your country, locking them in isn't exactly the best idea.
yeah riots can be pretty dangerous y'know? like, all that broken glass and shit.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;48619543]They arrived to Europe and they were blocked so this post is pretty dumb.
Imagine arriving somewhere and all you want to do is cross that place and leave it but when you arrive, people aren't letting you move because ??? and you're being forced to stand in a place with nothing and die. Yeah, obviously they are going to fight back, they ARE DYING.
Point being if you want people out of your country, locking them in isn't exactly the best idea.[/QUOTE]
No one's dying on that island. They get support and all that. Don't be so damn dramatic over some entitled immigrants who aren't pleased that they are not freely given their "western dream".
[editline]5th September 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=BlackBirdNL;48619462]We would all do the same when put in the same position.[/QUOTE]
Why would we? If you illegally immigrate and they don't kick you out, last thing you want is negative attention. Why would you cause a riot? It won't make them go "hmm, these illegals are mad, we better bend to their will" no, it will only get you kicked the fuck out.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;48619543]They arrived to Europe and they were blocked so this post is pretty dumb.
Imagine arriving somewhere and all you want to do is cross that place and leave it but when you arrive, people aren't letting you move because ??? and you're being forced to stand in a place with nothing and die. Yeah, obviously they are going to fight back, they ARE DYING.
Point being if you want people out of your country, locking them in isn't exactly the best idea.[/QUOTE]
Those rioters don't look to me like they are dying.
They should be grateful that the Greeks are even willing to take them in and give them supplies, considering how fucked Greece's economy is.
To be honest, I would be okay with it if Greece just ships the ungrateful fuckers back to where they came from.
this reminds me a lot of the riots in the US where the black community started rioting and people started saying things like "well maybe if black people didn't shoot eachother and riot then everything would be ok and no racism???". look, i'm not saying that rioting like this is good but you have to have some understanding of their circumstances and [i]why[/i] they are doing this. look beyond the effect, and perhaps consider the cause? keep in mind these are desperate people, probably gave up all of their money to get smuggled and sold the idea that they are going to some kind of promised land where everything is fine.
[QUOTE=Hugg;48619670]this reminds me a lot of the riots in the US where the black community started rioting and people started saying things like "well maybe if black people didn't shoot eachother and riot then everything would be ok and no racism???". look, i'm not saying that rioting like this is good but you have to have some understanding of their circumstances and [i]why[/i] they are doing this. look beyond the effect, and perhaps consider the cause? keep in mind these are desperate people, probably gave up all of their money to get smuggled and sold the idea that they are going to some kind of promised land where everything is fine.[/QUOTE]
What's your point? None of that excuses their shitty actions. None. You don't just come in and begin destroying stuff. These riots achieve nothing and only makes their own lives harder. They're just being stupid if they do this. You can't justify these actions.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48619719]What's your point? None of that excuses their shitty actions. None. You don't just come in and begin destroying stuff. These riots achieve nothing and only makes their own lives harder. They're just being stupid if they do this. You can't justify these actions.[/QUOTE]
no, you can't justify the actions, the only thing you can is say, hm why did this happen? how do we prevent it? perhaps the solution is: stop them from making these dangerous and fruitless migrations? how do we do that? do we help them in their countries?
because now we see, they are rioting, and we say "ungrateful fucks, i hate them, they don't appreciate anything" and you create this hate against them. we are now looking at the result of a problem we did not solve (or they, whichever way you want to look at it).
There is simply no excuse to be violent like this.
They just want to be fast tracked into the country of their pleasing with a free pass and throwing tantrums when it doesn't go their way.
They're not dying, they're getting food and water, beggars trying to be choosers. If anything they should just lock up the people being violent, that is not okay in western society, harming people who are trying to help the situation.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;48619543]
Imagine arriving somewhere and all you want to do is cross that place and leave it but when you arrive, people aren't letting you move because ??? and you're being forced to stand in a place with nothing and die. Yeah, obviously they are going to fight back, they ARE DYING.
[/QUOTE]
This just in: The Greek island Lesbos is literally a barren wasteland with absolutely nothing on it.
More news at 5.
There is a severe lack of lesbians in that video...:disappoint:
[QUOTE=Hugg;48619726]how do we prevent it? perhaps the solution is: stop them from making these dangerous and fruitless migrations? how do we do that? do we help them in their countries?
we are now looking at the result of a problem we did not solve (or they, whichever way you want to look at it).[/QUOTE]
What did greece or greek people ever do to deserve this happening to them?Thier government can barely hand out pensions that greeks earned by working for 30years, and now they've got to supply food,water,shelter and transportation to ~500k refugees passing by each year.It should be done, but the greeks should not have to finance it all by themselves. Why should they, or balkan countries have to deal with the issue on the ground, whereas Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Syria& Afghanistan UN, US, UK, Russia, Syrian govt, Iraq govt, Gulf states are doing what, exactly? Because all of those refugees passing the balkans are from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Syria& Afghanistan, and their governments seem to not give 2 shits about their citizens dying in the med. They should be held accountable[I] first and foremost[/I], and then 'entities' that have been actively meddling in those countries, and wich hold an important part in why Iraq and Syria are in such a dire state that people have to flee their homes, or those that can be seen as resposnable for the economic & political depravity of countries like Pakistan or Bangladesh.
For example China could put sanctions on Pakistan untill they fix their shit, maybe that's something that will prompt the pakistani govt to act as it should.
Why do these people think they can choose where they want to go.
They're refugees, the primary goal should be to get them somewhere safe where they can't face the persecution they would face in the country they are leaving.
Seriously I don't understand the shit that happened in Hungary where they complained that they wanted to go to Germany or Sweden or the refugees trying leaving France to try go to England, especially when shit is this bad and there are literally hundreds of thousands trying to get into a single country
[editline]8th September 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;48619543]They arrived to Europe and they were blocked so this post is pretty dumb.
Imagine arriving somewhere and all you want to do is cross that place and leave it but when you arrive, people aren't letting you move because ??? and you're being forced to stand in a place with nothing and die. Yeah, obviously they are going to fight back, they ARE DYING.
Point being if you want people out of your country, locking them in isn't exactly the best idea.[/QUOTE]
Yeah they sure are dying in the hell hole 3rd world warzone that is Greece
[editline]8th September 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mooe94;48619301]I would be mad as fuck and riot too if I had to spend countless hours fleeing for their life to get to a safe country[/QUOTE]
Yes, Greece, Hungary or France are not safe countries at all
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;48620066]There is a severe lack of lesbians in that video...:disappoint:[/QUOTE]
well to be fair Lesbian basically means 'of Lesbos' so anybody native to the place would fit the description
[QUOTE=godfatherk;48620089]What did greece or greek people ever do to deserve this happening to them?Thier government can barely hand out pensions that greeks earned by working for 30years, and now they've got to supply food,water,shelter and transportation to ~500k refugees passing by each year.It should be done, but the greeks should not have to finance it all by themselves. Why should they, or balkan countries have to deal with the issue on the ground, whereas Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Syria& Afghanistan UN, US, UK, Russia, Syrian govt, Iraq govt, Gulf states are doing what, exactly? Because all of those refugees passing the balkans are from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Syria& Afghanistan, and their governments seem to not give 2 shits about their citizens dying in the med. They should be held accountable[I] first and foremost[/I], and then 'entities' that have been actively meddling in those countries, and wich hold an important part in why Iraq and Syria are in such a dire state that people have to flee their homes, or those that can be seen as resposnable for the economic & political depravity of countries like Pakistan or Bangladesh.
For example China could put sanctions on Pakistan untill they fix their shit, maybe that's something that will prompt the pakistani govt to act as it should.[/QUOTE]
While I agree with your sentiment, nothing you mention will happen or will work. These countries clearly do not give a shit about war refugees and see the exodus of such people to be a humanitarian victory. Unfortunately it falls on the place of refuge, where-ever it may be, to foot the bill. It's fine to say "let's just end the conflict!" but it will not happen.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.
