[QUOTE=Thom12255;51170784]It looks like dunkey is kicking ass, why does he need to switch? Why isn't his team doing well if Dunkey is killing everyone on the other?[/QUOTE]
Because metagame (Despite the fact that his clips heavily imply that his team is doing well and so is he)
(also Overwatch is a very new competitive game so the metagame is constantly evolving atm)
This video would probably turn out different in 70+ ranks, though
If you don't play the meta don't play comp
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;51171328]If you don't play the meta don't play comp[/QUOTE]
Eh, meta isn't better. Remember how Mei was considered underpowered then she got a buff and now she's in every comp? Well the buff wasn't even the reason she ended up in the meta, like they buffed her ult and the reason everyone plays her is her icewall and her freeze utility, which has been unchanged since launch. Basically, there's outliers but Overwatch is basically balanced and the meta is just psychological outside of basic structure like 2/2/2 or 0/3/3.
[editline]8th October 2016[/editline]
That being said Torbs and Symetra...
[QUOTE=Veteran;51167687]Dunkey is pretty much living proof that people need to learn to keep their shitty opinions and let people play the game.[/QUOTE]
the overwatch fiends rating this post dumb is the best thing about this thread
[QUOTE=Skyward;51167951]but you can't swing a stick without hitting a few tryhards.[/QUOTE]
that is why you don't swing stick
you become reinhardt and swing hammer
[QUOTE=Rossy167;51171355]Eh, meta isn't better. Remember how Mei was considered underpowered then she got a buff and now she's in every comp? Well the buff wasn't even the reason she ended up in the meta, like they buffed her ult and the reason everyone plays her is her icewall and her freeze utility, which has been unchanged since launch. Basically, there's outliers but Overwatch is basically balanced and the meta is just psychological outside of basic structure like 2/2/2 or 0/3/3.
[editline]8th October 2016[/editline]
That being said Torbs and Symetra...[/QUOTE]
That's not true at all.
Mei was underpowered because her ult was worse and her damage was terrible. Once her ult was buffed, along with the fact that they made her projectiles easier to aim, she became more relevant.
However, once the meta shifted towards bulkier, more survivable heroes, and once the Reaper + Mei + Zarya combo became a thing, she becamse basically a must pick.
I feel like a lot of people feel like the meta is some made up thing made so that they can't play their favourite heroes. It's not. The lower skill you get, the less important it becomes, but there is a reason a lot of classes are considered non-viable or situational at best.
Widowmaker and Hanzo (Hanzo less so) are incredibly hard to pull off. Unless you're a literal pr0 you'd be more useful to your team in any other class. If you want to aim, McCree is easier. Overwatch is incredibly team reliant, you can't carry alone, and even if one of your players is underperfoming the game becomes 100x more difficult.
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;51171429]That's not true at all.
Mei was underpowered because her ult was worse and her damage was terrible. Once her ult was buffed, along with the fact that they made her projectiles easier to aim, she became more relevant.
However, once the meta shifted towards bulkier, more survivable heroes, and once the Reaper + Mei + Zarya combo became a thing, she becamse basically a must pick.
I feel like a lot of people feel like the meta is some made up thing made so that they can't play their favourite heroes. It's not. The lower skill you get, the less important it becomes, but there is a reason a lot of classes are considered non-viable or situational at best.
Widowmaker and Hanzo (Hanzo less so) are incredibly hard to pull off. Unless you're a literal pr0 you'd be more useful to your team in any other class. If you want to aim, McCree is easier. Overwatch is incredibly team reliant, you can't carry alone, and even if one of your players is underperfoming the game becomes 100x more difficult.[/QUOTE]
That's cool and all but it doesn't excuse the tryhards telling other players to play differently and the whole "If you don't play how I don't want you to then get out of my gamemode!!" speil.
In my case, I play comp but I still play whatever the hell I want because A: comp games last longer, B: it has the '1 hero only' rule which I find more fun, and C: it (for the most part) reliably matches you with people in the ball-park of your skill level. I'm sure I'm not all that unique, either.
If you want to play whatever you want and not play seriously then why are you playing ranked? While the people in the video were very clearly asses about it, composition is important and winning is the entire point of ranked. That's kind of the reason I would not touch ranked with a 10 foot pole, I like playing what I want without it being too meta driven.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;51171490]That's cool and all but it doesn't excuse the tryhards telling other players to play differently and the whole "If you don't play how I don't want you to then get out of my gamemode!!" speil.
In my case, I play comp but I still play whatever the hell I want because A: comp games last longer, B: it has the '1 hero only' rule which I find more fun, and C: it (for the most part) reliably matches you with people in the ball-park of your skill level. I'm sure I'm not all that unique, either.[/QUOTE]
When you play comp, you're the one step between 5 people having a good time and 5 wasting time because you're throwing.
Also, yeah, some people are tryhards. It's called [B]competitive[/B] mode for a reason. If you don't want to adequate, I'll reiterate, [I]don't play it.[/I]
[editline]8th October 2016[/editline]
Or do they have to call it "Super serious mode we don't fuck around in here"
playing whatever hero you want =/= not playing seriously
[QUOTE=Keychain;51171532]If you want to play whatever you want and not play seriously then why are you playing ranked? While the people in the video were very clearly asses about it, composition is important and winning is the entire point of ranked. That's kind of the reason I would not touch ranked with a 10 foot pole, I like playing what I want without it being too meta driven.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;51171490]
In my case, I play comp but I still play whatever the hell I want because [b]A: comp games last longer, B: it has the '1 hero only' rule which I find more fun, and C: it (for the most part) reliably matches you with people in the ball-park of your skill level.[/b] I'm sure I'm not all that unique, either.[/QUOTE]
Oh so you're just a dick then? You're completely fine with ruining other people's matches?
Good for you, I guess. At that point getting insulted is not uncalled for.
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;51171540]When you play comp, you're the one step between 5 people having a good time and 5 wasting time because you're throwing.
Also, yeah, some people are tryhards. It's called [B]competitive[/B] mode for a reason. If you don't want to adequate, I'll reiterate, [I]don't play it.[/I]
[editline]8th October 2016[/editline]
Or do they have to call it "Super serious mode we don't fuck around in here"[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;51171653]Oh so you're just a dick then? You're completely fine with ruining other people's matches?
Good for you, I guess. At that point getting insulted is not uncalled for.[/QUOTE]
It's hilarious that you people see "I play whichever hero I want to play" and equate it to "i throw games and don't try to win".
haha, yeah, I'm the dick.
I have a few characters I'm really good at and I am going to pick the ones I am really good at when I play comp as opposed to a hero I hardly play that some guy is screeching at me to pick, that's stupid.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;51171660]It's hilarious that you people see "I play whichever hero I want to play" and equate it to "i throw games and don't try to win".
haha, yeah, I'm the dick.[/QUOTE]
If the hero you're trying to play is not effective in the situation, then yes, you're basically throwing.
[editline]8th October 2016[/editline]
Also the original scope of the discussion was people trying to play heroes which are not effective in the situation, if you always pick Rein or Zarya who the hell gives a crap
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;51171692]If the hero you're trying to play is not effective in the situation, then yes, you're basically throwing.
[editline]8th October 2016[/editline]
Also the original scope of the discussion was people trying to play heroes which are not effective in the situation, if you always pick Rein or Zarya who the hell gives a crap[/QUOTE]
Trying to dictate how someone else plays a video game is assholish. Just chill out and play the game, you'll even have a better chance at getting your win because you aren't dragging the team's morale down.
especially in such a casual game like overwatch
its like getting mad at heroes of the storm, get over it
Most of those players where at like rank 58 thats not even sub Diamond so its not like team comp matters at that skill level
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;51171793]Trying to dictate how someone else plays a video game is assholish. Just chill out and play the game, you'll even have a better chance at getting your win because you aren't dragging the team's morale down.[/QUOTE]
Underperforming when playing with 5 other people on your team despite the fact that you could do what they tell you is pretty assholish. You'll even have a better chance at getting your win if you cooperate with your team because you're not bringing them down.
[QUOTE=Naught;51171800]especially in such a casual game like overwatch
its like getting mad at heroes of the storm, get over it[/QUOTE]
[quote]
Or do they have to call it "Super serious mode we don't fuck around in here"[/quote]
I also just played a game with a Bastion and a Junkrat. On koth. Guess what, we lost! :^)
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;51172556]Guess what, we lost! :^)[/QUOTE]
"We" or "I"?
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;51172595]"We" or "I"?[/QUOTE]
I don't understand what you're trying to say... it's a team game. If the team loses, everybody loses, seems obvious?
Also false alarm, we didn't lose. Some of the pious souls on our team switched to dps, and I asked politely to the healer if he wanted me to heal because he wasn't very good at it.
Obviously, the bastion of all people started whining that we only had one healer and 2 dps, despite the fact that he himself wouldn't switch.
It makes me extremely mad that a game that could have lasted 5 minutes lasted half a hour because the bastion wanted to take a gamble, and did not want to switch even when told politely.
Who gives a flying fuck what character you play. As long as you're not trolling with like 3 Hanzos and purposely trying to lose gen why does it matter at all? I get the point of the video, and it is so funny how people hate how people are such pussies over stuff like this
[QUOTE=SuperDuprKyle;51172739]Who gives a flying fuck what character you play. As long as you're not trolling with like 3 Hanzos and purposely trying to lose gen why does it matter at all? I get the point of the video, and it is so funny how people hate how people are such pussies over stuff like this[/QUOTE]
You can't have three hanzos in competitive mode.
Also I don't understand why my point of view is so hard to understand. Obviously people will be dicks at you if you play dumb shit, doesn't matter if you do it maliciously or not.
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;51172556]Underperforming when playing with 5 other people on your team despite the fact that you could do what they tell you is pretty assholish. You'll even have a better chance at getting your win if you cooperate with your team because you're not bringing them down.
[b]I also just played a game with a Bastion and a Junkrat. On koth. Guess what, we lost! :^)[/b][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;51172658]I don't understand what you're trying to say... it's a team game. If the team loses, everybody loses, seems obvious?
[b]Also false alarm, we didn't lose.[/b] Some of the pious souls on our team switched to dps, and I asked politely to the healer if he wanted me to heal because he wasn't very good at it.
Obviously, the bastion of all people started whining that we only had one healer and 2 dps, despite the fact that he himself wouldn't switch.
It makes me extremely mad that a game that could have lasted 5 minutes lasted half a hour because the bastion wanted to take a gamble, and did not want to switch even when told politely.[/QUOTE]
did you just get so mad at Overwatch that you went and posted on facepunch about losing in the middle of a match
[quote] and a Junkrat. On koth. Guess what, we lost! :^)[/quote]
when was junkrat a bad choice for KOTH??????
[QUOTE=Splungey;51167933]Do people usually get this mad on Overwatch?[/QUOTE]
If you dare stray away from the meta of two tank, two DPS, and two healers, you are trash and hellspawn and deserve to have died in the twin towers on 9/11 according to 99.9% of all "competitive" overwatch players
[QUOTE=dai;51173436]when was junkrat a bad choice for KOTH??????[/QUOTE]
Ever since Zarya gets played every game. 2 bombs shatter her shields and gives her 50 energy, and you really have to spam that shit as well to be useful on junk.
I'm sorry, but no. I understand that there are assholes out there that will go fully nuts, but if you want to "play for fun" go do Normal games, otherwise cooperate with your team and play meta.
I'm tired of people pulling off shit picks, playing like garbage and refusing to even utter a single word of communication. At least try to give us some logic for why you're making that choice that isn't "lol its fun", otherwise go hit up the pub games, there's no shame in that. Leave Ranked for people willing to actually play as team and communicate.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png[/t]
[QUOTE=Veteran;51167687]Dunkey is pretty much living proof that people need to learn to keep their shitty opinions and let people play the game.[/QUOTE]
You're aware that dunkey has a history of being a toxic asshole, right?
[QUOTE=dai;51173436]when was junkrat a bad choice for KOTH??????[/QUOTE]
Junkrat is good at dealing a fuckton of damage, but terrible at actually killing people. When the other player is a Bastion who cannot reasonably finish the weakened enemies off, then yes, Junkrat is terrible.
You must not consider the heroes alone, but also their synergy with other classes.
[editline]9th October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;51173393]did you just get so mad at Overwatch that you went and posted on facepunch about losing in the middle of a match[/QUOTE]
Nice job trying to make it out like I am "mad", I just alt-tabbed when we were losing 2-0. Safe to assume we were gonna lose, it's a miracle we actually managed to play around the bastion.
Okay, in my opinion comparing comp and QP is pointless. They're separate game modes entirely. People shouldn't say, "Man, this would never work in comp!!!" well no fucking shit, it's why they're playing in quick play.
I don't tell people to switch off of characters, and in comp I would honestly rather have the person play with who they excel at rather than "what's meta". Your average player doesn't play at a high enough level for an established meta to take precedent over someone who's more skilled with a particular hero or role. I've lost to 4 tanks and 2 healers, and I've also won with 6 Hanzos. It's fucking QP so don't hit me with that "in meta" bullshit in QP because no one else is treating it as comp.
However, people confuse "not optimal" with bad. Regardless of what anyone says, it's a game about counter picks in conjunction with understanding game mechanics. And if you don't properly counter pick, it's a detriment, there's just no 2 ways about it. Competitive games are just designed around a character doing better against another, it's how it works. Though this doesn't discredit the players that are skilled enough with a character to circumvent the disadvantages of playing with a non-optimal character. Sure, being able to switch to optimal picks will make you a well rounded player, but if you're just not well suited for that role or hero, then your team's overall performance is just going to get hurt.
And fuck it, QP is also meant to practice with new heroes to improve and get better in an environment in which there's little to no risk. It's the place to experiment with heroes, so if someone wants to go Hanzo on attack then let them. If people say, "Man they have 2 tanks, go Reaper!" But they're fucking just stomping with Widow or something then I have no problem with them staying. What I have a problem with is people in comp not doing their job. Playing as optimal as possible is preferred in comp, but if you're unable or unwilling to pick the proper counter then the next best option is just play who you're most comfortable with, I'm okay with that. I'm not going to force someone who never plays support to play support, that's fucking stupid. I'm going to ask someone who understands the role to take that up, and let the person choose whatever they feel they'll do best with.
EDIT: And for the love of God, don't bring up professional matches to back your point up. When you're consistently playing at the 4,500+ SR range, then come talk to me about professional matches. You're not a professional, and neither is the opposing team. The decisions, options, and gameplans you form are specific to that match and that match alone. Professionals treat and handle the game very differently where each player is amazing at the game and has their own set of skills and specializations that work in conjunction with the entire team. That doesn't happen in normal comp.
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