[QUOTE=MrAfroShark70;25869536]Also, to contribute my opinion to this thread.
I would like to say that the whole entire concept of racism is just retarded. If everyone got rid of terms of racism, race, and sexism, then maybe we wouldn't have these problems.
And I have to agree with Morgan Freeman when he said that we should also get rid of months/days dedicated to racism/race/sexism.[/QUOTE]
"if i get rid of the word left there won't be left anymore"
[QUOTE=TH89;25872265]Good thinking! We should also get rid of the words rape and murder, then we won't have those anymore either.[/QUOTE]
You missed the point of his post.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;25872372]Completely ignoring the problem may not be the answer but doing so many things that reinforce the idea that races are so different, such as Black History Month, isn't exactly helping. Why not lump what you teach in Black History Month into the normal History class?[/QUOTE]
Because that would take billions of dollars and probably a decade to implement, and America doesn't like spending money on education.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;25872372]The very existence of something that is solely about black people in history kind of insinuates that black people are either better or worse than everyone else.[/QUOTE]
Virtually all history curriculum in this country focuses solely on white european history, with the exception of specialized college-level classes. Isn't that a bigger problem? Why complain about the 1 month of african history? The fact that you take that for granted is the whole point of black history month--to broaden your perspective.
[QUOTE=TH89;25872474]Because that would take billions of dollars and probably a decade to implement, and America doesn't like spending money on education.
Virtually all history curriculum in this country focuses solely on white european history, with the exception of specialized college-level classes. Isn't that a bigger problem? Why complain about the 1 month of african history? The fact that you take that for granted is the whole point of black history month--to broaden your perspective.[/QUOTE]
It would take a decade to implement some pages in a book?
And he said that that can be fixed by adding the black history month to the normal education program.
I can't see a slight curriculum change(all it would do is move the various important black figures to their respective times in history to be brought up then, rather than all at once) taking a decade and billions to implement. The hard part would be convincing people to actually make the change.
To your second point, isn't European history important? So much of our society is based on it. We take so much from the Romans, the British, etc. In American History classes ( not sure about you locally, but here everyone takes it in High School) we certainly go over such things as slavery and segregation, as well as important civil rights figures from both the period of abolition and segregation.
[QUOTE=thisispain;25856652]look up the statistics please
when you see a huge difference between job holders, college degrees, and jail time there must be a reason why this was caused
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hint: there's a reason why gangster rap came from the black community, it's not fantasy to them[/QUOTE]
The president is black.
Close your mouth.
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[QUOTE=MrAfroShark70;25869382]You do know nigger came from the Spanish word Negro which is black?[/QUOTE]
I thought it came from the River Niger.
[QUOTE=Stopper;25872561]It would take a decade to implement some pages in a book?
And he said that that can be fixed by adding the black history month to the normal education program.[/QUOTE]
Do you have any idea what it takes to implement curriculum changes at a national level, let alone ones as massive as this would be?
[QUOTE=TH89;25872474]
Virtually all history curriculum in this country focuses solely on white european history, with the exception of specialized college-level classes. Isn't that a bigger problem?[/QUOTE]
Isn't that mainly because the country was founded by white Europeans? And Im pretty sure that when slavery does come into the picture, it is addressed.
Its not like slavery and the civil rights movements are skipped over completely.
Edit: Nevermind, Im thinking of American history courses and I think you're talking about world history courses.
[quote=dogmachines;25872372]completely ignoring the problem may not be the answer but doing so many things that reinforce the idea that races are so different, such as black history month, isn't exactly helping. Why not lump what you teach in black history month into the normal history class? The very existence of something that is solely about black people in history kind of insinuates that black people are either better or worse than everyone else. Shoving equality down people's throat does not make them accept it. Living in a world where people are equal does.[/quote]
"why don't we have a white history month god damn blackies keeping us down"
[QUOTE=Timebomb757;25872948]Isn't that mainly because the country was founded by white Europeans? And Im pretty sure that when slavery does come into the picture, it is addressed.
Its not like slavery and the civil rights movements are skipped over completely.
Edit: Nevermind, Im thinking of American history courses and I think you're talking about world history courses.[/QUOTE]
Stuff like slavery is only included because Europeans did it. It would be like saying teaching about the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki means you're teaching Japanese history.
I shouldn't be surprised why I need to explain the necessity and importance of something like Black History Month to some of you in 2010, but I guess I can't expect much from this demographic.
The American institution of slavery (and the social oppression that still occurs a century later) is one of the most vile parts of our history. It is also one of the clearest examples of dehumanization and prejudice; to talk about slavery and the oppression of black people in America is one of the easiest and best ways to introduce the idea of tolerance and humanization on a broader scale to young people, who, as this forum clearly shows, often have a difficult time understanding such abstract concepts without tangible examples to grasp on to.
Just as we are bombarded with a white American way of life every day of every month of every year of our lives, I see nothing wrong with months to commemorate, celebrate, and understand what ethnic minorities in America have achieved and struggled against.
[QUOTE=TH89;25872886]Do you have any idea what it takes to implement curriculum changes at a national level, let alone ones as massive as this would be?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I do. If people aren't against it, it can very well take two-three years. I don't know what you guys do, but here, almost every students' book gets a revised and re-released almost every year.
ah good TH89 is here I thought i was gonna have to educate people on how ridiculously fucking stupid this thread is
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all black people do this thing because the colour of their skin haha look at them do this thing ahahahaha, there is nothing racist or derogatory about that what r u talking about!!
I thought the OP would say that all of Facepunch was making racist comments without even realising it. Instead I was pleasantly surprised and informed.
[QUOTE=Stopper;25873135]Yes, I do. If people aren't against it, it can very well take two-three years. I don't know what you guys do, but here, almost every students' book gets a revised and re-released almost every year.[/QUOTE]
Conservatives will be against it. They will say it's "political correctness gone mad." They'll say it's "anti-white." They'll say it's another example of the "liberal agenda." They'll fight it with every ounce of their strength until they are dead.
But let's say everyone agrees. I think your mistake here is in assuming that because your school buys new editions of textbooks every year, all schools do that. They don't. Many schools in California, for example, use 10 or even 15-year-old editions. Even if you are able to drastically change the curriculum standards in all 50 states, it will be expensive for the book publishers to make those revisions, and those costs will be passed down to the consumer. The new books will be very expensive. So it'll take even LONGER for them to trickle down from the best-funded schools to the worst ones. 10 years is an optimistic estimate, if anything.
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[QUOTE=Murkat;25873241]I thought the OP would say that all of Facepunch was making racist comments without even realising it. Instead I was pleasantly surprised and informed.[/QUOTE]
Thank goodness the OP didn't challenge your ignorant worldview! What a relief, you might have had to whip out the "dumb" rating
th89 you should unironically close this thread and ban the op because its spreading more hatred and ignorance than you can fix by posting length responses, unless you just like arguing in that case keep at it soldier
I don't want to reinforce their persecution complex
[QUOTE=TH89;25873413]I don't want to reinforce their persecution complex[/QUOTE]
Wait, are you saying middle/upper-middle class straight white male teenagers [b]don't[/b] have it harder than everyone else?
[QUOTE=Mane;25873440]Wait, are you saying middle/upper-middle class straight white male teenagers [b]don't[/b] have it harder than everyone else?[/QUOTE]
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOStmxAiPSw[/MEDIA]
[QUOTE=Panda X;25854485]Racism is the Kinect not recognizing dark-skinned people.[/QUOTE]
There's some HP Media Webcam in one of their laptops or something that only recognizes white people too.
[QUOTE=TH89;25873258]Conservatives will be against it. They will say it's "political correctness gone mad." They'll say it's "anti-white." They'll say it's another example of the "liberal agenda." They'll fight it with every ounce of their strength until they are dead.
But let's say everyone agrees. I think your mistake here is in assuming that because your school buys new editions of textbooks every year, all schools do that. They don't. Many schools in California, for example, use 10 or even 15-year-old editions. Even if you are able to drastically change the curriculum standards in all 50 states, it will be expensive for the book publishers to make those revisions, and those costs will be passed down to the consumer. The new books will be very expensive. So it'll take even LONGER for them to trickle down from the best-funded schools to the worst ones. 10 years is an optimistic estimate, if anything.
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Thank goodness the OP didn't challenge your ignorant worldview! What a relief, you might have had to whip out the "dumb" rating[/QUOTE]
Just a clarification, I don't "have" a school anymore, I graduated last year.
It isn't really that much more expensive for the book publishers. They only have to add things, they don't have to redo the whole book. Sure, maybe instead of costing for example 15$ it'll cost 20$, but it isn't that much of a difference for the student.
Wait, why do the schools need to... Don't the students pay for their own supplies and books? The school only needs to buy, let's say 5-6 books for the teachers and maybe the library. And we're talking about History only, not every book ever.
[QUOTE=KeenanM.;25868888]it's exactly like how they made a movie called "White men can't jump"[/QUOTE]
what the fuck
have you even watched that movie?
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[QUOTE=Explosions;25872636]The president is black.
Close your mouth.
[/QUOTE]
lol
[QUOTE=Stopper;25874029]Just a clarification, I don't "have" a school anymore, I graduated last year.
It isn't really that much more expensive for the book publishers. They only have to add things, they don't have to redo the whole book. Sure, maybe instead of costing for example 15$ it'll cost 20$, but it isn't that much of a difference for the student.
Wait, why do the schools need to... Don't the students pay for their own supplies and books? The school only needs to buy, let's say 5-6 books for the teachers and maybe the library. And we're talking about History only, not every book ever.[/QUOTE]
Hey, I don't mean to pull rank here or anything but my moms writes textbooks for a living. You don't know what you're talking about. Textbooks cost way more than $20, schools buy textbooks at the elementary preparatory and high school level, and no you can't buy just 5-6 textbooks for an entire school.
[QUOTE=wewt!;25870377]I'm glad you know how it really is for gypsies and also for the people in the eastern bloc.
I mean if someone did charity work for gypsies that means they must have met every single one, right. And I said myself that it's a very [I]mixed[/I] experience, it seems that you haven't read my post prior to that one at all.
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so wait hold on
what you are saying is, because you said the anecdote first, your anecdote is more correct
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it doesn't matter who's more omnipotent or who has more anecdotes
i want scientific proof of the assertion that gypsies are genetically inferior when it comes to criminal activities
and proof that they want to starve themselves and their childeren
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you made the assertion and the dumb fucking statement, you back it up with evidence, OR, just admit you're as dumb as a box of rocks
We were doing a survey for Family Studies 12 a couple days back and one of the questions was "do you hate it if your partner tells 'little white lies?'"
Black student called it racist and said "why can't it be little BLACK lies?"
[QUOTE=TH89;25874191]Hey, I don't mean to pull rank here or anything but my moms writes textbooks for a living. You don't know what you're talking about. Textbooks cost way more than $20, schools buy textbooks at the elementary preparatory and high school level, and no you can't buy just 5-6 textbooks for an entire school.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy it. It seems so awfully convenient for your mother to be working that.
Hey, I can show you the prices of my textbooks or students' books or whatever the hell they are called. My most expensive one is for my English class from 8-th grade and it costs 35 levs, which is about 25$ and I am talking about this year's edition.
And I had to buy them myself. Sure, now there is a program which gives students from 1st to 7th grade free books, but it wasn't active when I was studying.
Sorry for being misinformed. It's just that things seem to be quite different here from what they are in the USA.
[QUOTE=mrryanchisholm;25874298]We were doing a survey for Family Studies 12 a couple days back and one of the questions was "do you hate it if your partner tells 'little white lies?'"
Black student called it racist and said "why can't it be little BLACK lies?"[/QUOTE]
someone doesn't have a sense of humour
[QUOTE=mrryanchisholm;25874298]We were doing a survey for Family Studies 12 a couple days back and one of the questions was "do you hate it if your partner tells 'little white lies?'"
Black student called it racist and said "why can't it be little BLACK lies?"[/QUOTE]
He's most likely joking.
[QUOTE=Stopper;25874356]
Sorry for being misinformed. It's just that things seem to be quite different here from what they are in the USA.[/QUOTE]
apparently your education system sucks
if gypsies are as prominent as you say they are and you aren't being educated on them, there are some serious issues in wherever the fuck you live
[QUOTE=thisispain;25874207]so wait hold on
what you are saying is, because you said the anecdote first, your anecdote is more correct[/QUOTE]
No you dipshit, I'm saying that you aren't acknowledging the fact that just because gypsies are being persecuted doesn't mean they are exempt from having bad people among them. I never said that what you're saying is incorrect, you just automatically assumed that. You need to live in an eastern bloc country, next to some slums and outskirts of cities for a while and get a fucking clue.
Also I don't get your gigantic hostilities towards me, you're correct about a lot of things regarding politics and such, why is it so hard for you to accept that the gypsies problem wasn't caused by one side alone. We all dropped the ball here.
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