93rd Anniversary of Great October Socialist Revolution СЛАВА РАБОТНИКОВ!
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Ура Россия!
On another note, most 'Communist States' are not communist at all. They just label themselves as it.
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On another note, most 'Communist States' are not communist at all. They just label themselves as it.[/QUOTE]
Well, duh. There's no way you can transition into a Communist State so rapidly.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;25425364]Well, duh. There's no way you can transition into a Communist State so rapidly.[/QUOTE]
And the reason why they fail so rapidly is that they have such great outside influences.
[QUOTE=R3mix;25422406]I'm sorry. But...
Democracy > Socialism[/QUOTE]
You can have socialist Democracies. Socialism is an Economic system while Democracy is a political system.
The concept of Communism is fine, if you can get your people patriotic enough then there's no need to oppress them with your iron fist. Hell, Russians at the time loved anybody who appreciated the Proletariat's work ethic.
Stalin treated his people like shit though, so screw him.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;25417965]Heh, we are doing the Russian Revolution.
Turned out they took over the winter palace by simply walking in while everybody else in the city went about their normal routine and didn't care about the government being overthrown at all.[/QUOTE]
cause everyone hated the government. They were losing world war 1, abusing jews, listening to a crazy monk, and refusing to give democracy because they were eastern orthodox theocrats who toơk all the money for themselves. They were shitty leaders and everybody hated them except for church officials.
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[QUOTE=Nippyftl;25420149]I hate your ignorance. America did not come to 'bail england out'. America joined the war very very late. Whilst the support they gave did help, the eventual outcome of the war was not due to America intervening. There wasn't much that could be done once they'd joined.[/QUOTE]
But we did help clean up afterword :D
I think Lenin was a great man, but he was over shadowed by the actions of stalin.
[QUOTE=Detective P;25420202]Actually, the revolution was more of a spontaneous uprising. If I remember correctly, the press workers began to strike, followed by every other major industry and eventually leading to the rail workers. They took control of St. Petersburg. Stalin was not involved, Lenin was in hiding in Finland, and Trotsky was on his way back to St. Petersburg from America (and then imprisoned when his ship was heading out, by Canada, I believe) as is happened. None of the leaders were there for it. It was indeed a spontaneous uprising of the proletariat and aided by the various leftist groups, and not planned. The Bolsheviks were actually expelled not long before because most of them were being huge douchebags in the Duma. Once the Bolsheviks got into the city, they took control of things, got them organized, and did some pretty assholish things that would lead eventually to the civil war being alot larger than it really should have been (mainly not compromising and expelling Mensheviks, Socialists, and Leftist groups that weren't Bolsheviks out of the city.)
Anyhow, regardless, long live the people! Hail the revolution! May it inspire for many years to come!
Etc.[/QUOTE]
yeah the anarchists were really the ones who did the most of the work in red october, hence why there was a provisional government afterwords. Then when the bolsheviks got there, there was a lot of fighting and lenin had a lot of the anarchists publicly executed so that the bolshevik government could rule instead of the powerless provisional government.
[QUOTE=Methylparaben;25419909]but only when America came to bail out England, let's be honest if Japan had not attacked America Hitler would probably have kept most of europe. Even when America helped England it still took nearly 3 years to push him back over ground he took in under 1 year.[/QUOTE]
America did not Bail out England. Even thou I do not like England I hate it when people make their country esp America look so superior.
[QUOTE=FuhFuhFresh;25427198]The concept of Communism is fine, if you can get your people patriotic enough then there's no need to oppress them with your iron fist. Hell, Russians at the time loved anybody who appreciated the Proletariat's work ethic.
Stalin treated his people like shit though, so screw him.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how patriotism is related. It seems to me that nationalist pride wasn't exactly encouraged; communism was supposed to unite the proletariat all across the world.
Well, at least based on how communism was supposed to spread like a domino effect. And "The Internationale".
[QUOTE=Yusuf;25427370]I think Lenin was a great man, but he was over shadowed by the actions of stalin.[/QUOTE]
Aside from inciting the proletariats to literally kill and take by force the middle class and their properties.
Haters gonna hate.
[QUOTE=Yusuf;25427370]I think Lenin was a great man, but he was over shadowed by the actions of stalin.[/QUOTE]
This is always bizarre. Lenin didn't kill a load of people because he didn't need to, it would've served absolutely no purpose to kill off a section of society: Hitler's whole coming to power was based on wiping out Jews/Soviets etc. and Stalin felt he needed food for the more loyal portion of society, but Lenin set up all the infrastructure you associate with Communism (i.e. the Cheka and the Red Terror). Under Lenin's rule (if it were more efficient than it had been) you literally wouldn't be allowed to think anything other than what you just posted.
Hitler's coming to power happened from him blaming all of the problems of Germany on non-pure Germans.
[QUOTE=Coffee;25428962]Hitler's coming to power happened from him blaming all of the problems of Germany on non-pure Germans.[/QUOTE]
I would argue that the great depression was what put the wind in Hitler's sails.
Socialism doesn't work and is a terrible idea.
If you're a die-hard socialist, stop trying so hard to be non-conformist.
Isn't Communism and Social the same, but Socialism affects a single country while Communism is for the entire world?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;25429453]Isn't Communism and Social the same, but Socialism affects a single country while Communism is for the entire world?[/QUOTE]
Not at all.
Non-Revisionist Islamic Theocracy is the only decent system. It has an inherent anti-imperialist ideology built into it, and none of the stupid bureaucracy that democracy has.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;25429453]Isn't Communism and Social the same, but Socialism affects a single country while Communism is for the entire world?[/QUOTE]
No, they, according to Marx, are different stages in the evolution of society, which, also according to Marx, should go like so: (excuse me but this is a really simplified paraphrased version)
1. Fuedalism
2. Capitalism, run by capitalist class
3. Capitalism, run by upper/bourgeoisie class, society filled with exploitation but plentiful resources,
4. Socialism, run by dictatorship of proletariat (supposed to be a democracy), society molds towards values of socialism and towards class indistinction. The basic workings of capitalism still exist. This is called the transition stage.
5. Socialism, run by direct democracy, society unified as one class, and the basic workings of capitalism are disappearing.
6. Communism, not run by anyone, basically a form of anarchism where the state dissolves and there is little governing body, with no class distinction and equal ownership and sharing of all property.
I personally only believe that up to step 4 is possible. The USSR made it to 4 under Lenin, some believe, but dropped out of it and took a nose dive towards state capitalism and fascism after Lenin's death. All communist states since then have followed the same path- that is, they substitute state capitalism and fascism for marxist socialism and communism. Some claim that Cuba has made it to 4, but honestly I don't believe that.
[QUOTE=Detective P;25420202]Actually, the revolution was more of a spontaneous uprising. If I remember correctly, the press workers began to strike, followed by every other major industry and eventually leading to the rail workers. They took control of St. Petersburg. Stalin was not involved, Lenin was in hiding in Finland, and Trotsky was on his way back to St. Petersburg from America (and then imprisoned when his ship was heading out, by Canada, I believe) as is happened. None of the leaders were there for it. It was indeed a spontaneous uprising of the proletariat and aided by the various leftist groups, and not planned. The Bolsheviks were actually expelled not long before because most of them were being huge douchebags in the Duma. Once the Bolsheviks got into the city, they took control of things, got them organized, and did some pretty assholish things that would lead eventually to the civil war being alot larger than it really should have been (mainly not compromising and expelling Mensheviks, Socialists, and Leftist groups that weren't Bolsheviks out of the city.)
Anyhow, regardless, long live the people! Hail the revolution! May it inspire for many years to come!
Etc.[/QUOTE]
I thought Lenin had returned to Petrograd in April 1917, after the February revolution that resulted in the Tsar and his brother's abdication. Lenin was present in October because it was a more organised revolution to take over from the provisional government. It didn't involve the people as much as it was Bolshevik controlled.
[QUOTE=Nippyftl;25420149]I hate your ignorance. America did not come to 'bail england out'. America joined the war very very late. Whilst the support they gave did help, the eventual outcome of the war was not due to America intervening. There wasn't much that could be done once they'd joined.[/QUOTE]
The US was in the war at least half, if not the majority of it.
[QUOTE=QQBistro;25428364]Aside from inciting the proletariats to literally kill and take by force the middle class and their properties.[/QUOTE]
As if there WAS a middle class in tsarist Russia. It was nothing but working class, military, government, and religious folk.
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;25429453]Isn't Communism and Social the same, but Socialism affects a single country while Communism is for the entire world?[/QUOTE]
thats trotskyism, which is just a product of personal vanity and fascism.
Socialism is just the government controls the means of production, meaning that the government puts the food on your plate, the government give you the healthcare, the government gives you blah blah blah and there is not private sector, just the public sector.
COMMUNISM, is where the WORKERS control the means of production. Socialism is often associated with communism because socialism was used by marx as basically the highway to communism.
Aspie nerds who think the soviets and life in mother russia and all the eastern block states was awesome and cool because of videogames combined with never leaving the basement brainwashing them.
What's new? :smith:
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;25430108]I thought Lenin had returned to Petrograd in April 1917, after the February revolution that resulted in the Tsar and his brother's abdication. Lenin was present in October because it was a more organised revolution to take over from the provisional government. It didn't involve the people as much as it was Bolshevik controlled.[/QUOTE]
You may be right, I might be getting the February and October revs mixed up, but iirc Lenin was expelled from Russia because the provisional government voted to expel all bolsheviks from the duma and head councils, and the leadership- Lenin, Trotsky, Zinovieiv, and Kamenev- were expelled from the nation.
But I might be wrong. I'll look it up again later.
Everyone should read Animal Farm.
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communism is a good idea in general,its just the people getting corrupted from the power.
[QUOTE=Jiyoon;25430687]As if there WAS a middle class in tsarist Russia. It was nothing but working class, military, government, and religious folk.
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thats trotskyism, which is just a product of personal vanity and fascism.
Socialism is just the government controls the means of production, meaning that the government puts the food on your plate, the government give you the healthcare, the government gives you blah blah blah and there is not private sector, just the public sector.
COMMUNISM, is where the WORKERS control the means of production. Socialism is often associated with communism because socialism was used by marx as basically the highway to communism.[/QUOTE]
Are you seriously that stupid?
[QUOTE=Raneman;25431120]Everyone should read Animal Farm.[/QUOTE]
Animal Farm was a criticism of Stalinism, not communism or socialism.
Orwell was a democratic socialist, by today's standards (not a marxist socialist), and was influenced by Trotsky.
so you know.
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