As far as I can see, you guys are just hating on the movie because "is that a pop reference? uurrghhh" but that's exactly the point. I understand you guys, but really, this movie is not for you.
Personally I don't mind, I'm genuinely interested in how many they can cram it there, and how obscure they're willing to go.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52965205]As far as I can see, you guys are just hating on the movie because "is that a pop reference? uurrghhh" but that's exactly the point. I understand you guys, but really, this movie is not for you.
Personally I don't mind, I'm genuinely interested in how many they can cram it there, and how obscure they're willing to go.[/QUOTE]
Deliberate cheap pandering trash is still cheap pandering trash.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52965205]As far as I can see, you guys are just hating on the movie because "is that a pop reference? uurrghhh" but that's exactly the point. I understand you guys, but really, this movie is not for you.
Personally I don't mind, I'm genuinely interested in how many they can cram it there, and how obscure they're willing to go.[/QUOTE]
"You're not allowed to criticise anything because some people like it"
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52965205]As far as I can see, you guys are just hating on the movie because "is that a pop reference? uurrghhh" but that's exactly the point. I understand you guys, but really, this movie is not for you.
Personally I don't mind, I'm genuinely interested in how many they can cram it there, and how obscure they're willing to go.[/QUOTE]
Sorry I don't think fan service for the sake of fan service is good writing. Here's a list of films that do that well:
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;52965247]"You're not allowed to criticise anything because some people like it"[/QUOTE]
You're perfectly allowed to criticize it. I'm just saying, you're not the target audience. It's perfectly normal that you don't like it.
Just kind of feels like this movie doesn't have much of a direction other then it has a shit ton of cameos, I still don't get the story at all.
Something like Wreck It Ralph also had a lot of cameos but also knew how to do a good story and make it all work together, this just seems like a mega cameo without much thought put into it. Which I know that's probably the point but eh, not for me.
A bad, cynical, reference reliant premise wrapped up with a flimsy anti-corporate fight the power plot which simultaneously [B]glorifies various corporate figures and characters and properties[/B], yeah wonder why people are trashing this one already lol.
Saying that "this looks bad" isn't being a hater or whatever. It's an accurate assessment based on the source material and what we've seen in the trailers. This film looks simultaneously dull and exhausting, just the trailer made me turn my brain off and enter a coma from which no intelligent thought could escape, I can't imagine watching a full hour and a half (at least) of this. The sheer volume of visual noise is already a headache.
Normally I can see the value in most media, even things that don't quite hit the mark. But I fail to see any value in this. A film designed to appeal to nostalgia, a feeling I could easily experience just by looking something up on google images. This is a premise worthy of a 20 minute youtube short, not a feature length film.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52965265]You're perfectly allowed to criticize it. I'm just saying, you're not the target audience. It's perfectly normal that you don't like it.[/QUOTE]
I guess nothing is ever bad then.
Nothing can be bad.
Nothing ever was, or is bad.
It's just that you're not the "target audience" of it.
that's not a good argument/train of thought to have about things.
I think the honest truth is people who like this, and like this kind of fan service don't have a reason why they like it, it just makes them go "sweet, I like this", which is totally fine. The problem comes when you try and argue against people who are being honest and critical with the material, as they would be with most things, and they're left wanting for actual substance and your arguments amount to nothing more than "i like it".
This feels like the same kind of reasoning people use to validate their love of CinemaSins and shit.
Well I read the book recently and loved it, Though see the race scene has given me a bad vibe with this movie already.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52965265]You're perfectly allowed to criticize it. I'm just saying, you're not the target audience. It's perfectly normal that you don't like it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it's for obnoxious people who quote pop culture all the time and do stupid shit like naming their child Atari.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52965280]I guess nothing is ever bad then.
Nothing can be bad.
Nothing ever was, or is bad.
It's just that you're not the "target audience" of it.
that's not a good argument/train of thought to have about things.
I think the honest truth is people who like this, and like this kind of fan service don't have a reason why they like it, it just makes them go "sweet, I like this", which is totally fine. The problem comes when you try and argue against people who are being honest and critical with the material, as they would be with most things, and they're left wanting for actual substance and your arguments amount to nothing more than "i like it".
This feels like the same kind of reasoning people use to validate their love of CinemaSins and shit.[/QUOTE]
You're missing my point. I haven't even said the movie was gonna be good. Quality has nothing to do with it. It's probably gonna suck, but that's missing the point of the movie. People will watch it solely for all the references.
At this point, this movie is like a social experience. Cramming up so many pop culture references, how's it gonna end? Can it become a cult film solely because of that? I'm legitimately curious about it.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52965205]As far as I can see, you guys are just hating on the movie because "is that a pop reference? uurrghhh" but that's exactly the point. I understand you guys, but really, this movie is not for you.
Personally I don't mind, I'm genuinely interested in how many they can cram it there, and how obscure they're willing to go.[/QUOTE]
I guess it depends on what you want out of your entertainment.
There are stories written with a goal in mind, and they achieve this through nuance, integrity, and a core of skilled writing. There are stories that aim for that same goal, but approach it via Michael Bay Avenue, avoiding nuance in favor of going totally over-the-top.
A good example of subtlety from another medium is [I]Stranger Things[/I] a show that captured the 80s and instilled a huge amount of nostalgia through the production process of the series. They mimicked the cinematography, color grading, and set design of 80s content. We also saw similar pacing, story elements, and dialogue. The show itself could have come from the 80s, barring the CGI and a few tweaks to keep it modern and interesting enough for today's audiences.
The book [I]Ready Player One[/I] didn't do subtlety. I don't recall 80s teen books, having read more Enid Blyton and Harry Potter than anything else, but the book read more like a massive info-dump than anything else. The lack of nuance was actually difficult to get through at times - I remember paragraphs that were literally just lists of things from the 80s. "I landed on the Arcade planet and immediately saw a Pac Man cabinet, Dig Dug, Ghosts and Ghouls..." and on and on for a quarter of a page.
That's not to say that Ready Player One was a bad book. I was entertained. I was rooting for the heroes at the end. But mashing every mis-matched and discordant pop-culture [I]thing[/I] from the 80s into one book for the sake of nostalgia is not the route to a well-written story. Not only does it make for some very difficult-to-imagine and stupidly goofy 'serious' scenes (armies made up of sci fi, fantasy, horror characters, Japanese mechs, Ghost Busters, etc) but it's immediately obvious (in an overpowering way) what the author's intentions are.
It's hard to feel nostalgic when the nostalgia you're being fed is so concentrated it burns.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52965296]You're missing my point. I haven't even said the movie was gonna be good. Quality has nothing to do with it. It's probably gonna suck, but that's missing the point of the movie. People will watch it solely for all the references.
At this point, this movie is like a social experience. Cramming up so many pop culture references, how's it gonna end? Can it become a cult film solely because of that? I'm legitimately curious about it.[/QUOTE]
Okay well I hope that it doesn't because further dumbing down our reference laden culture is not required.
[QUOTE=maddogsamurai;52965114] At least someone bothered to give [sp]Mobile Suit Gundam[/sp] a time of day to appear in a fully fledged movie in America.[/QUOTE]
Does appearing on Tom Hank's PJs in Big count?
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Looks like the movie that Pixels should have been
um hello the best cameo is that character from Battleborn
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;52964640]I'd like to point out that this isn't just some dude rambling about a tacky car [I]he wants[/I]. This is some dude rambling about a tacky car [I]he owns[/I].
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I would make fun of this, but I'm also the kind of guy that would wanna' drive this around and not feel a single bit of shame. :v:
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[QUOTE=Nidhogg;52965397]I would make fun of this, but I'm also the kind of guy that would wanna' drive this around and not feel a single bit of shame. :v:
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In your defense, a Jurassic Park Totoya Landcruiser would be a perfect practical car to own.
High clearance, enough boot space, plenty of spare parts, and I'd imagine it would be easy to maintain.
Unlike a DeLorean, whose spare parts are fairly scarce, is plagued with technical issues (assuming it's stock) and its brushed steel body gets scratched by merely looking at it in the wrong way.
I thought the book was fun. Not the most elegant piece of literature and there were some really cringy parts and Cline really can't write dialog at all, but it was still fun to read. I think Cline uses references as a crutch sometimes. Instead of coming up with a decent description, he uses some other IP to copy paste other ideas in, which is unfortunate because I thought that his description of the dystopian real world was rather cool. The grittiness and scifi realism of a future Columbus Ohio, plus the novel idea of people being so poor and the world so overpopulated that even trailer parks are running out of space, leading to towered trailerparks called "the stacks". He has to potential to write something good but relies too much on references
[QUOTE=StrykerE;52965328]Does appearing on Tom Hank's PJs in Big count?
[t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQtx7z4U8AA86tQ.jpg:large[/t][/QUOTE]
You learn something new everyday. :wideeye: Haven't seen that movie since I was a wee boy. TBF The Gundam's V antennas are a bit big but I guess this was done to make it "Not" Gundam because copyrights.
I need to watch that movie again now.
I'm still looking forward to see how they pull off the Monty Python part.
why do people obsess over pop culture so much? I read both rp1 and armada and I couldnt finish the latter because it would not stop jerking itself off with references.
So not gonna lie, I have hopes this movie is good. I used to defend the book until I went back and [B]tried[/B] to read it again, but Jesus those pages were just detailed nerd jerk off, which basically took up 60% of the book. The thing though since I did read the book is that this movie seems to be taking the story in completely new directions. And that is honestly needed.
The challenges turning into action packed sequences instead of "Play this Arcade Game" or "Reenact this Entire fucking movie, you are Matthew Broderick." It wouldn't be fun to watch in the slightest of someone just act out a movie scene or two for like 10 minutes. Plus it seems the whole romance plot is new, with Art3mis seemingly having a real life appearance throughout the story instead of just the end.
The book is poor fan-fiction, with nerds just cumming all over the pages because of the "cool relatable We Remember This!" references. But I have hopes for Spielberg, he's still definitely got creative and storytelling talent, plus the CGI Oasis is CGI Splatter, but with the fucking incredible animation of TinTin, which Spielberg also had a hand in, I have hopes it won't be such shlodge.
The movie is taking some well needed changes, so I have my fingers crossed Spielberg can pull this off.
It's a show. For entertainment. They don't all have to be deep or thought provoking.
There's a line between criticism and being a stick in the mud.
[QUOTE=StrykerE;52964322][t]https://i.redd.it/6da8vzbw15301.jpg[/t]
Gundam gets some prominence near the end[/QUOTE]
THAT IS NOT MY GUNDAM
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[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52965836]It's a show. For entertainment. They don't all have to be deep or thought provoking.
There's a line between criticism and being a stick in the mud.[/QUOTE]
But it still has to not be trash. Being mindless fun doesn't really excuse any valid criticisms of something.
We just have to wait and see when the movie comes out.