I'm thinking about joining Christianity, should I? - General

[QUOTE=sltungle;19168074]People that don't care won't drag on stupid ideas like we all have for 7 or 8 pages and argue so fucking much. Not caring will liberate us. Not destroy us.[/QUOTE] Not really. Cause people who do care will just get you in the butt hole because you don't care when they approach you with the suspicious large, black, jiggly object.

[QUOTE=Majache;19168101]Well because if you believe in something, you're saying something is true, if you believe in nothing, then you're pretty much just saying "I dunno". Problem is that when you say something is true and it's not then it's useless. All you're doing is getting your loafers caught in the tumble dryer of progress. Or something.[/QUOTE] So if belief in something is saying you believe something is true. Belief in that there is no God is different than not believing in god?

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;19168043]wait a minute dude I fucking explained this to [B]you[/B] in the last thread at least I remember the name zeke [editline]01:42AM[/editline] [B]science came from religion[/B][/QUOTE] Okay, lets say, that it did. [B]Which it did not.[/B] What does that exactly prove? Nothing. Science is still based on empirical evidence, and religion is still based on faith. And faith is stupid, it's a belief in someone without any evidence to support it, or to even suggest it's existence.

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19168056]Are you suggesting Atheism is forced in families? I mean, ALL families?[/QUOTE] Are you an idiot? Being "brought up" doesn't literally translate to believing in what your parents made you to. Your Christian dad couldve beat you, and you got mad and decided to become atheist. This is upbringing. The influences in your life that cause you to become what you are. I think you should go now.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;19168140]Okay, lets say, that it did.[/QUOTE] Don't pander to him. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

[QUOTE=Funcoot;19168099]Nice trying to be cute.[/QUOTE] Well, that's exactly what you were trying to do.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;19167959]we're defensive as fuck because we've got this whole persecution complex going on (which isn't undeserved) you tell any run of the mill christian you're an atheist and you pretty much completely dehumanize yourself, even within your own family I've got an italian (aka as catholic as you can get without going irish) family and the day I tell them I'm an atheist is the day I get attacked with a meat cleaver[/QUOTE] Not all of Christianity counts as catholicism. (which you seem to hate, a lot). See, I'm Lutheran Christian. (protestant) I've met tonnes of Catholics, and 90% of the ones I've met don't even care if someone's atheist. Heck, some of them have considered it, and even openly discussed it with their parents. Christians can be a lot more accepting than you make them look. I mean, Christians count for two-thirds of the world's population, so saying that all Christians are horrible people is like saying two-thirds of the world's population is made of horrible people. Here's some pictures to provoke some thought. [media]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Worldreligion.png[/media] [media]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Religion_distribution.png[/media] [media]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Religion_in_the_world.PNG[/media] [media]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Irreligion_statistics_by_country.png[/media]

[QUOTE=Aaronn;19168152]Are you an idiot? Being "brought up" doesn't literally translate to believing in what your parents made you to. Your Christian dad couldve beat you, and you got mad and decided to become atheist. This is upbringing. The influences in your life that cause you to become what you are. I think you should go now.[/QUOTE] The term "Brought up the way they were" usually refers to parental teachings.

Protip: Being agnostic doesn't solve the problem. Not believing in God completely will get you in Hell, and on top of that, you would have wasted your time.

[QUOTE=Funcoot;19168053]Why is believing in nothing rational and believing in something not?[/QUOTE] Because there is no evidence to suggest that there is SOMETHING. Something, in this case being a deity. Thus it's rational to believe in nothing, until there is proper evidence to believe in SOMETHING. However, that evidence must also be examined, to see if you can find a BETTER explanation for it, perhaps form a HYPOTHESIS. Then you could TEST the HYPOTHESIS, and get a THEORY, which could be used to PREDICT future outcomes. This is one thing that all religion significantly lacks, and that's the ability to predict future outcomes based on past evidence.

Don't pull yourself into a bunch of bullshit, seriously.

[QUOTE=Archy;19168212] Here's some pictures to provoke some thought. [media]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Religion_in_the_world.PNG[/media] [/QUOTE] Notice how the most developed nations are the least religious. And why does it look like there's random bridges all over the place

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;19168043][editline]01:42AM[/editline] science came from religion[/QUOTE] Do you even [I]KNOW[/I] what science is? For example, when the earliest being started sorting things, like plant from animal, wood from stone, [I]THAT[/I] was science. Solving a problem [I]is science.[/I] You're logic is telling me that before anyone was able to solve [I]any[/I] problems, there had to be some sort of idea of religion that directed them. There was [I]no[/I] religion telling them to do that. And religion did not help science do [I]anything.[/I] In fact it hindered it hundreds of times throughout the ages.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;19168085]Not caring halts progress. Believe it or not, debates like this are the definition of progress. (On a very small scale)[/QUOTE] What progress? Religious people and non religious people have been bickering back and forth for centuries and the issue has never been resolved (nor will it ever be resolved). I don't see what progress you're talking about :/ Maybe if we all just shut our mouths, minded our own business, and got on with life, THEN we'd get make some progress. Let the religious people believe what they want, and let the non-religious people NOT believe in what they... don't want... to (??? (I've confused myself now).

[QUOTE=Archy;19168212]Not all of Christianity counts as catholicism. (which you seem to hate, a lot). See, I'm Lutheran Christian. (protestant) I've met tonnes of Catholics, and 90% of the ones I've met don't even care if someone's atheist. Heck, some of them have considered it, and even openly discussed it with their parents. Christians can be a lot more accepting than you make them look. I mean, Christians count for two-thirds of the world's population, so saying that all Christians are horrible people is like saying two-thirds of the world's population is made of horrible people. Here's some pictures to provoke some thought. [media]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Worldreligion.png[/media] [media]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Religion_distribution.png[/media] [media]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Religion_in_the_world.PNG[/media] [media]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Irreligion_statistics_by_country.png[/media][/QUOTE] It doesn't make you guys right either.

[QUOTE=Archy;19168212] I mean, Christians count for two-thirds of the world's population, so saying that all Christians are horrible people is like saying two-thirds of the world's population is made of horrible people. [/QUOTE] Your point? Imagine if this was two thirds of the worlds population. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8[/media] Would that make it more right?

[QUOTE=sltungle;19168244]What progress? Religious people and non religious people have been bickering back and forth for centuries and the issue has never been resolved (nor will it ever be resolved). I don't see what progress you're talking about :/[/quote] If even a single person changes their mind, progress has been made.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;19168140]Okay, lets say, that it did. [B]Which it did not.[/B] What does that exactly prove? Nothing. Science is still based on empirical evidence, and religion is still based on faith. And faith is stupid, it's a belief in someone without any evidence to support it, or to even suggest it's existence.[/QUOTE] Belief in something without evidence isn't necessarily stupid. A long time ago it wasn't stupid to think the Sun revolved around the Earth. No one had proof that it did this, but they believed it to be that way. That was later solved with Science. Later humans questioned how Earth even came to be. Christians believe God created it. The theory of the Big Bang developed and has substantial evidence to support it and is now causing religion major trouble. Is it irrational or illogical to think something created or created the stuff that made the big bang? Is it illogical or irrational to think something created the universe with a set of laws that remained constant?

[QUOTE=sltungle;19168244][B]What progress? Religious people and non religious people have been bickering back and forth for centuries and the issue has never been resolved (nor will it ever be resolved). I don't see what progress you're talking about :/[/B] Maybe if we all just shut our mouths, minded our own business, and got on with life, THEN we'd get make some progress. Let the religious people believe what they want, and let the non-religious people NOT believe in what they... don't want... to (??? (I've confused myself now).[/QUOTE] Hey. You might not have noticed, you know, being like under 20 and all, (probably), but if you look back even like, say, 300 years. The stance between religion and science has greatly shifted. So if you're going to say that there isn't progress being made, please check the data that would indicate no progress being made. If no progress was made, we would still be placed under house arrest for believing the sun is the center of the solar system.

[QUOTE=Funcoot;19168265]Belief in something without evidence isn't necessarily stupid. A long time ago it wasn't stupid to think the Sun revolved around the Earth. No one had proof that it did this, but they believed it to be that way. That was later solved with Science. [/QUOTE] You are forgetting the years in which religion sought to destroy any notion of this.

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19168283]You are forgetting the years in which religion sought to destroy any notion of this.[/QUOTE] Not all religions, and this is entirely irrelevant to the whole argument.

[QUOTE=Funcoot;19168292]Not all religions, and this is entirely irrelevant to the whole argument.[/QUOTE] Your point is that people should believe in something just to buy the time till an actual theory is proven. A theory which is in complete contrast to what you want everyone to believe in just for the sake of believing.

[QUOTE=MrRelys;19168057]See, that's the beauty of theism. Everyone else is made apparently "ignorant" in your eyes, because you know your belief is the one true belief. Nobody can disprove belief to a theist. They have to go out and actively seek it for themselves... Theism has always been about the straight and narrow path. It's easy to be ignorant...[/QUOTE] Ignorant probably wasn't the word I was looking for. What I mean is, this is just a whole "my opinion is right and yours is wrong" kind of thing; it's just being disrespectful to one another for being what one is. I could easily say that you're a retarded atheist who just rejected religion to look smart, but I know that's just blatantly rude and disrespectful, and probably wrong. It's just closed minded behavior that's being demonstrated through these insults, arguments and flame wars.

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19168213]The term "Brought up the way they were" usually refers to parental teachings.[/QUOTE] Sometimes it is. For most intelligent people it's usually what influenced them one way or another while growing up. 1 - Your cat dies and you hate a God that allowed the circle of life to continue by allowing poor Mr. Pookyscratches to die. This is called an idiot. 2 - You grow up and hear each argument fairly and decide personally to become an atheist or a theist because of conclusions you've reached yourself and not from others. This is a normal person.

[QUOTE=Funcoot;19168265][B]Belief in something without evidence isn't necessarily stupid[/B]. A long time ago [B]it wasn't stupid to think the Sun revolved around the Earth[/B]. [B]No one had proof that it did this[/B], but they believed it to be that way. That was later solved with Science. Later humans questioned how Earth even came to be. Christians believe God created it. The theory of the Big Bang developed and has substantial evidence to support it and is now causing religion major trouble. [B]Is it irrational or illogical to think something created or created the stuff that made the big bang? [/B] Is it illogical or [B]irrational to think something created the universe with a set of laws that remained constant?[/B][/QUOTE] Belief in something without evidence is completely irrational and stupid. They had a theory explaining that. It did have it's flaws ,however, that were easier solved by the earth going around the sun. They had telescopes and stuff, and built models and crap. Don't act like they hadn't the slightest clue. It is if you have no evidence pointing toward it. Yes it is irrational because you have NO evidence suggesting that fact.

why ask these bigoted assholes? i know, i know, why post but really, they are just going to put down religion because thats all they know to do. No tolerance for anyone but the keyboard.

[QUOTE=Aaronn;19168322]Sometimes it is. For most intelligent people it's usually what influenced them one way or another while growing up. 1 - Your cat dies and you hate a God that allowed the circle of life to continue by allowing poor Mr. Pookyscratches to die. This is called an idiot. 2 - You grow up [B]and hear each argument fairly[/B] and decide personally to become an atheist or a theist because of conclusions you've reached yourself and not from others. This is a normal person.[/QUOTE] I have yet to hear a fair argument for believing in a deity.

[highlight]GUESS WHAT:[/highlight] There are no invisible people in the sky. Imaginary friends are for children.

[QUOTE=Kymandu;19168343]why ask these bigoted assholes?[/QUOTE] :crying: people disagree with me on the internet and dispute my claims with science!!!! they r such biggots!!!! i want my mommy!!!

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19168309]Your point is that people should believe in something just to buy the time till an actual theory is proven. A theory which is in complete contrast to what you want everyone to believe in just for the sake of believing.[/QUOTE] No not at all. What benefit do I have in believing for the sake of believing when I don't believe in an after life.