I'm thinking about joining Christianity, should I? - General

[QUOTE=kevn150;19168777]I'm an agnostic Jew, kind of hard to believe, but I love being Jewish....I mean...latkas...bagels.....spinning tops.....matza......matzo ball......gefilte fish....'tis a good life. [/QUOTE] These seem more like personal choices rather than anything to do with the religion itself.

[QUOTE=Archy;19168809]Why does it seem that every post you make is either an insult, or a claim derived from a stereotype?[/QUOTE] Because it's quite difficult to keep your temper when you're dealing with someone who can't comprehend reasoning.

[QUOTE=Majache;19168820]Isn't that kind of slimy? Not following the Bible because it never expressly says you have to follow it? I mean, is there a law that states you have to follow the law?[/QUOTE] What? It's a guidebook. You should follow what you like, or you don't have to follow it at all. It's exactly like laws. If you screw up you end in jail.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;19168821]Do the police come after you if you enjoy those things without believing in a deity? Lets face it, I'm an atheist, and I LOVE Christmas. You really don't need a reason to celebrate something, as far as I'm concerned, I can celebrate any day I want, because I'm alive. [editline]02:33AM[/editline] No, but there are consequences if you don't.[/QUOTE] inb4 "Christmas is pagan" [img]http://thegurglingcod.typepad.com/thegurglingcod/images/2008/02/12/the_more_you_know2.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;19168844]gj not responding to the second half of the last paragraph[/QUOTE] gj ignoring my entire post. Religion is not science because it's not observable, testable, or repeatable.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;19168835]christianity doesn't necessarily have to equal dogmatic following of the church like I said in my first post developing a personal relationship with god is cool[/QUOTE] And bacon doesn't have to be delicious either. Developing a personal relationship with people is cooler.

[QUOTE=Aaronn;19168832]I'm going to bed guys. This has been kind of interesting. I enjoyed reading arguments presented by the intelligent. Too bad 90% of this threads population are idiots. My last aside to you guys Theists - believe what you want to believe. I understand why you do and I fully sympathize as long as you made your choice based on your own observations. Try not to be a dumb zealot who discards all other possibilities Athiests - Keep on doing what you're doing. Hopefully you reached your conclusions based on your own observation and study as well. Don't try to save theists from believing in something.[B] Because they might just be saving themselves.[/B] Agnostics - [B]DON'T LISTEN TO THE 99% OF ATHEISTS TRYING TO TELL YOU AGNOSTICISM IS ATHEISM. THEY'RE WRONG AND CANNOT TELL YOU WHAT YOU BELIEVE. [/B] That is all That is all.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's fair and balanced

[QUOTE=Majache;19168781]Nonsense. If you live in a country where you can vote, you are doing damage by being impossibly stubborn. Your actions effect everyone, and your actions are influenced by your thoughts, and so if you refuse to think responsibly, you will never act responsibly.[/QUOTE] You know what, you're the one being impossibly stubborn. You're being an offensive little git who can't seem to realize people may have different view than yourself. Most every post you've made either is based off of an unfounded claim of my personality, a generalization, or a stereotype. I can't believe people like you exist.

[QUOTE=Majache;19168860][B]And bacon doesn't have to be delicious either.[/B] Developing a personal relationship with people is cooler.[/QUOTE] Blasphemy.

[QUOTE=lulzbocks;19168853]What? It's a guidebook. You should follow what you like, or you don't have to follow it at all. It's exactly like laws. If you screw up you end in jail.[/QUOTE] Er, yeah. That's kind of backwards. I mean, it's not like you have the freedom to follow only what you want if when you don't follow certain things you're penalized.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;19168791]Well, you have to consider that back then not many could afford to be a scientist because they had to produce food. Overtime, science increased food production, creating more scientists and such, and it keeps increasing exponentially until we theoretically reach a technological singularity. Contrarily, religion in the current day, takes potential scientists, doctors and what have you and gives them a meaningless, illogical, and eventually completely inconclusive task to dedicate their lives to.[/QUOTE] Of course. I'm in agreement with all of that. But here's the thing: everybody is fucking stubborn. Everybody has their mind made up. I seriously doubt that by debating the existence of god we'll ever get anywhere, because all of the religious people think that they're right, and those beliefs are set too far in their minds to change, and all of the non-religious people are certain that they're right, and they're not going to change their minds either. These debates never end up going anywhere in my experience (and I've observed and participated in a lot of religious debates), we end up going in circles and never getting anywhere on the topic, and eventually everyone gets board and gives up.

[QUOTE=Archy;19168871][B]You know what, you're the one being impossibly stubborn.[/B] You're being an offensive [B]little git who can't seem to realize people may have different view than yourself.[/B] Most every post you've made is based off of an unfounded claim of my personality, a generalization, or a stereotype. [B]I can't believe people like you exist.[/B][/QUOTE] Same can always be said about you.

Atheism = deny of a believe in a God or deity. Agnosticism = the believe that a God can not be proven, nor disproven. Therefore, they choose to be willing to go either way.

Basically, the majority of post from the atheist side have been insulting in some way. There have been a lot of very good, intelligent posts as well. On the religion side, I see less insults. If you think I'm lying profusely, look through the thread and decide for yourself. This is what irks me about atheism. They're as bad as medieval Catholics.

[QUOTE=Majache;19168837]Because you're a person who holds traits vile enough that when described sound like insults.[/QUOTE] Majache, if you're going to be personal, than I would like to remind you that I did not start the shit-slinging here. You're the one who insulted my intelligence after failing to make a point. If you want to keep going, fine.

[b]Can God create a being that is capable of destroying him and that he is incapable of destroying?[/b] If so, he ceases to be omnipotent. If not, he never was omnipotent in the first place.

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19168890]Same can always be said about you.[/QUOTE] OK, my post was messed up. If it looked slimy to you, that's cause it's the true way. Not the way that you've seen Christianity for years. It's different, but true.

[QUOTE=Archy;19168871]You know what, you're the one being impossibly stubborn. You're being an offensive little git who can't seem to realize people may have different view than yourself. Most every post you've made either is based off of an unfounded claim of my personality, a generalization, or a stereotype. I can't believe people like you exist.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about one thing, and one thing only. And I'm only going to say it once, so read real slow. You don't care what your beliefs do to effect other people as long as you have a possibility for salvation. Get it? That's all I'm talking about. And that is one of the most detestable views that anyone can have. It's despicable. So fuck your feelings, if it feels like I'm insulting you, then you're close to the truth. I'm pointing out how much of a rotten fuck you are.

[QUOTE=lulzbocks;19168900]Basically, the majority of post from the atheist side have been insulting in some way. There have been a lot of very good, intelligent posts as well. On the religion side, I see less insults. If you think I'm lying profusely, look through the thread and decide for yourself. This is what irks me about atheism. They're as bad as medieval Catholics.[/QUOTE] Oh bull shit, don't tell people lies that you know they won't go look for themselves. Just because we don't need a book to decide our morals does not mean we lack them in any way, shape, or form.

[QUOTE=sltungle;19168883]Of course. I'm in agreement with all of that. [B]But here's the thing: everybody is fucking stubborn.[/B] Everybody has their mind made up. I seriously doubt that by debating the existence of god we'll ever get anywhere, because all of the religious people think that they're right, and [B]those beliefs are set too far in their minds to change[/B], and all of the non-religious people are certain that they're right, and they're not going to change their minds either. These debates never end up going anywhere in my experience (and I've observed and participated in a lot of religious debates), we end up going in circles and never getting anywhere on the topic, and eventually everyone gets board and gives up.[/QUOTE] In an argument, no one will ever admit they are wrong on the spot. But later, just maybe, they will think about it on their own, and perhaps come to a better, more logically sound conclusion. Not true, I believe Brendish on FP used to be christian, but he's an atheist now. So they can change, if sufficient evidence was presented to me, I would believe in a god, hell, I really wish I could, it would be much easier then dealing with difficult questions like, what is the meaning of my life, and such...

[QUOTE=SantanaDVX;19168911][b]Can God create a being that is capable of destroying him, and that he is incapable of destroying himself?[/b] If so, he ceases to be omnipotent. If not, he never was omnipotent in the first place.[/QUOTE] Could god microwave a burrito so hot, not even he could eat it?

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19168890]Same can always be said about you.[/QUOTE] As for you, I can respect that you're atheist. I really can. As a matter of fact, I even went down that route once. I didn't like it. I understand your beliefs, and I can see your logic, but I would prefer you to also understand mine. We may not share ideals, but you don't have to put things on a personal level when it's uncalled for.

[QUOTE=SantanaDVX;19168911][b]Can God create a being that is capable of destroying him, and that he is incapable of destroying himself?[/b] If so, he ceases to be omnipotent. If not, he never was omnipotent in the first place.[/QUOTE] My paradox is better. A benevolent God wouldn't give infinite punishment for finite crimes.

[QUOTE=lulzbocks;19168900]Basically, the majority of post from the atheist side have been [B]insulting[/B] in some way. There have been a lot of very good, intelligent posts as well. On the religion side, I see less insults. If you think I'm lying profusely, look through the thread and decide for yourself. [B]This is what irks me about atheism.[/B][/QUOTE] However one may note that their is more of an illogical standpoint on the religious side. For some reason claiming faith is a good thing.

[QUOTE=Archy;19168906]Majache, if you're going to be personal, than I would like to remind you that I did not start the shit-slinging here. You're the one who insulted my intelligence after failing to make a point. If you want to keep going, fine.[/QUOTE] I didn't fail to make a point, you failed to understand what I was telling you. And you'd know that if you'd figured out what I was saying when I told you again.

[QUOTE=Kukuzi;19168922]Oh bull shit, don't tell people lies that you know they won't go look for themselves. Just because we don't need a book to decide our morals does not mean we lack them in any way, shape, or form.[/QUOTE] Further proving my point... now adding ignorant to the list. Good God, look at a single page and you can see clearly.

[QUOTE=Kukuzi;19168897]Atheism = deny of a believe in a God or deity. Agnosticism = the believe that a God can not be proven, nor disproven. Therefore, they choose to be willing to go either way.[/QUOTE] Agnosticism is pretty much implied since it's impossible to disprove a negative, therefore you can never disprove god. If I had to fully label myself, then I'd probably be something around, Agnostic Anti-Theist. Just because something cannot be disprove, doesn't mean it holds any merit.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;19168923]In an argument, no one will ever admit they are wrong on the spot. But later, just maybe, they will think about it on their own, and perhaps come to a better, more logically sound conclusion. Not true, I believe Brendish on FP used to be christian, but he's an atheist now. So they can change, if sufficient evidence was presented to me, I would believe in a god, hell, I really wish I could, it would be much easier then dealing with difficult questions like, what is the meaning of my life, and such...[/QUOTE] Personally I would hate for their to be a god. The idea of eternal life scares me somewhat. The meaning to life? Fuck, and spread your genes. That's it. That's all we're supposed to do.

[QUOTE=lulzbocks;19168941]Further proving my point... now adding ignorant to the list. Good God, look at a single page and you can see clearly.[/QUOTE] It is more because the religious throw out illogical fantasies as points, While those that are skeptical work to debunk those points.

[QUOTE=Archy;19168928]As for you, I can respect that you're atheist. I really can. As a matter of fact, I even went down that route once. I didn't like it. I understand your beliefs, and I can see your logic, but I would prefer you to also understand mine. We may not share ideals, but you don't have to put things on a personal level when it's uncalled for.[/QUOTE] Understand you? I understand you. I understand you just fucking fabulously. I understand that you're a self serving fuck. And I meet people just like you all the time. And I'm sick of you.