[QUOTE=Tmaxx;46370757]feminazi shit like this is going to somehow lead to making it illegal for men to talk to women they don't know.[/QUOTE]
then throw me behind bars because I'm tired of being lonely
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;46370757]feminazi shit like this is going to somehow lead to making it illegal for men to talk to women they don't know.[/QUOTE]
You don't really understand feminism do you?
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it's not hard to differentiate between habitual greetings and obtrusive flirtations lol
seriously though when i was in NYC as a white middle class dude i had the same kinds of people say hello and try to talk to me
i get the purpose of this video but the group behind it is dumb as fuck
[QUOTE=usaokay;46368458]This guy has got it lucky. I once high fived a stranger for an hour.[/QUOTE]
Pffrt I once went on a school trip to Seattle and they won a american rugby competition or something. I had to high five like 200 people and they where shouting at me when they did it. Go hawks or something, really fucking weird.
[QUOTE=BuddieBBB;46370947]You don't really understand feminism do you?[/QUOTE]
i think he meant radical feminists juding by the fact that he chose to use the word "feminazi"
[QUOTE=RobbL;46371322]it's not hard to differentiate between habitual greetings and obtrusive flirtations lol[/QUOTE]
A lot of people seem to be unable to perceive the tone in which the men in that original video are speaking in. I've already said it once in another thread, but almost all the men in that original video sound like they only want to get into that girl's pants, not to strike up a conversation with her. Not only is it disrespectful, it just makes them look like a bunch of perverted pigs.
[QUOTE=Shark Cat;46369231]oh no she's getting complimented and wished a good day (admittedly because she's hot)
she looks pretty pissed off throughout the entire video, maybe some of those people were just trying to be nice and cheer her up a little bit, being from new york i can say that walking through NYC i've encountered some of the most polite and friendly people you can think of who genuinely just want to spread some positivity
sure there's a couple creepy dudes that follow her and don't get the message, but over the course of 10 hours that's not that bad considering it's NYC, you see a lot of weird people sometimes[/QUOTE]
For fucks sake, all the agrees with this post. You have no idea how uncomfortable it is, they are [I]not[/I] just trying to be nice, don't be naive
[editline]31st October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bryceanater;46369306]This whole thing is stupid, you are in New York, guys are gonna look around, just tell them "No thank you" and they will leave.[/QUOTE]
Also incredibly naive. Harassful people don't quit just because you ask nicely.
You have to understand, different people have different experiences. You guys think it's overblown because you're men and don't have to experience this stuff, but it's far more ubiquitous than you would ever believe.
They should reproduce this in different cities.
[QUOTE=Buck.;46369750]What annoys me about the original video and all the outrage it sparked is that men are the one's expected to initiate conversations with women and taking the first steps. Some men take the opportunity at every chance. You have to try if you want to get somewhere, and some comments in the video were genuinely nice and could have turned into some real conversation in the real world. People are getting angry at men for doing what men are expected to do. Why not just geld the entire male population of the world while we're at it.[/QUOTE]
We shouldn't be expecting men to harass women on the street. What makes you think that out of the 2,000 men I'm about to walk by that I want to talk to [I]you[/I] for some reason. What reason could I possibly have to talk to someone whose only relationship to me is that they laid eyes on me 2 seconds ago and want to fuck me? "I don't know you, don't bother me" is all cat callers are gonna get. It's very rude and no way at all to get to know someone.
Men can still take initiative without doing it in an animalistic "HEY LOOK, A THING TO FUCK" kind of way.
[QUOTE=Foogooman;46372853]
Men can still take initiative without doing it in an animalistic "HEY LOOK, A THING TO FUCK" kind of way.[/QUOTE]On one side I agree but on the other it is best that they are honest since it's easy to weed them out. You don't want to popularize men lying to get sex. There's plenty of that going as is.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46372862]On one side I agree but on the other it is best that they are honest since it's easy to weed them out. You don't want to popularize men lying to get sex. There's plenty of that going as is.[/QUOTE]
You can be honest and forward without harassing people. There's a difference between "heyy bby lets fuk" and getting to know someone to see if there's legit two-way chemistry.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46372862]On one side I agree but on the other it is best that they are honest since it's easy to weed them out. You don't want to popularize men lying to get sex. There's plenty of that going as is.[/QUOTE]
No, it's not the best way. The best way is to approach a woman and not being a perverted dog only looking to get laid. Surprisingly enough, you can do that without lying.
If you're just looking for sex, you're better off going to a bar or something, one night stand etc etc.
[QUOTE=residntevl;46371900]A lot of people seem to be unable to perceive the tone in which the men in that original video are speaking in. I've already said it once in another thread, but almost all the men in that original video sound like they only want to get into that girl's pants, not to strike up a conversation with her. Not only is it disrespectful, it just makes them look like a bunch of perverted pigs.[/QUOTE]
This
Why is this so hard to understand people, you have to be about as socially awkward and uncomfortable to be around as the people in the video to not understand this
Tone and intent is everything when you interact with people. Every single person in the video catcalling the girl comes off to anyone who isn't completely incapable of reading people as a total creeper. Its awkward, uncomfortable and not acceptable.
I don't think this is so much a MASSIVE FEMINIST ISSUE that people are trying to make it out to be. But you are silly if you think that any guy in the video was okay with what they were doing. They were creeps. This is about general acceptable behavior and avoiding harassment no matter what gender you are.
As a gay man, if I walked through a gay district and got the same shit I would feel uncomfortable as hell and the guy responsible sure as hell wouldn't be in the clear. There is socially acceptable behavior and ways of greeting/being nice, and then there is stepping over the line when you are introducing to yourself. The intent of every single one of the men in the video is obvious - get in her pants, and they want her to know it. There's a time and a place to make advances and randomly in the street in those sorts of ways with a total strangers is not one of them.
[editline]31st October 2014[/editline]
If anything this video has proven how many people out there are socially awkward (in ways not typically seen as socially awkward), and totally blind to reading tone/signals/intent in people. Anyone who is capable of reading intent/tone/etc knows that the stuff guys did in the video was not okay to do. People who can't read those signals seem to be the only ones who think the guys were just trying to be nice and complementing.
[QUOTE=KorJax;46373126]This
Why is this so hard to understand people, you have to be about as socially awkward and uncomfortable to be around as the people in the video to not understand this
Tone and intent is everything when you interact with people. Every single person in the video catcalling the girl comes off to anyone who isn't completely incapable of reading people as a total creeper. Its awkward, uncomfortable and not acceptable.
I don't think this is so much a MASSIVE FEMINIST ISSUE that people are trying to make it out to be. But you are silly if you think that any guy in the video was okay with what they were doing. They were creeps. This is about general acceptable behavior and avoiding harassment no matter what gender you are.
As a gay man, if I walked through a gay district and got the same shit I would feel uncomfortable as hell and the guy responsible sure as hell wouldn't be in the clear. There is socially acceptable behavior and ways of greeting/being nice, and then there is stepping over the line when you are introducing to yourself. The intent of every single one of the men in the video is obvious - get in her pants, and they want her to know it. There's a time and a place to make advances and randomly in the street in those sorts of ways with a total strangers is not one of them.
[editline]31st October 2014[/editline]
If anything this video has proven how many people out there are socially awkward (in ways not typically seen as socially awkward), and totally blind to reading tone/signals/intent in people. Anyone who is capable of reading intent/tone/etc knows that the stuff guys did in the video was not okay to do. People who can't read those signals seem to be the only ones who think the guys were just trying to be nice and complementing.[/QUOTE]
I can guarantee you that 98% of people who watched that video figured out it was catcalling.
I doubt that in no way shape or form could the intention of the video be wrongly interpreted, however I can understand how the majority of the male audience wont be able to relate to the situation in the said video.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;46369678]I know it's Reddit (and you guys have some strange hatred of it) but read this. It's a helpful perspective to understand why it's not so cool when you're just trying to walk somewhere.
[URL]http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/2kry4i/a_simple_explanation_of_why_compliments_greetings/[/URL][/QUOTE]
A) Sex isn't a commodity like the skill to fix computers
B) I don't get where this analogy is going with shit like your uncle and boss are pissed at you for turning people down for sex?
C) If you give out sex a few times a week because you feel you are expected to, you have a warped view of sex
D) You pretty clearly have a warped view of sex
E) Newsflash: 99.9% of people on the planet earth don't give a shit about you other than what they can get from you
Why is it in all of the street harassment parody videos everyone puts on such a cringey blackcent. They always want to act progressive, but they don't seem to take into account black culture at all. It always seems borderline racist. they are all somehow suspiciously all super white.
[QUOTE=KorJax;46373126]This
Why is this so hard to understand people, you have to be about as socially awkward and uncomfortable to be around as the people in the video to not understand this
Tone and intent is everything when you interact with people. Every single person in the video catcalling the girl comes off to anyone who isn't completely incapable of reading people as a total creeper. Its awkward, uncomfortable and not acceptable.
I don't think this is so much a MASSIVE FEMINIST ISSUE that people are trying to make it out to be. But you are silly if you think that any guy in the video was okay with what they were doing. They were creeps. This is about general acceptable behavior and avoiding harassment no matter what gender you are.
As a gay man, if I walked through a gay district and got the same shit I would feel uncomfortable as hell and the guy responsible sure as hell wouldn't be in the clear. There is socially acceptable behavior and ways of greeting/being nice, and then there is stepping over the line when you are introducing to yourself. The intent of every single one of the men in the video is obvious - get in her pants, and they want her to know it. There's a time and a place to make advances and randomly in the street in those sorts of ways with a total strangers is not one of them.
[editline]31st October 2014[/editline]
If anything this video has proven how many people out there are socially awkward (in ways not typically seen as socially awkward), and totally blind to reading tone/signals/intent in people. Anyone who is capable of reading intent/tone/etc knows that the stuff guys did in the video was not okay to do. People who can't read those signals seem to be the only ones who think the guys were just trying to be nice and complementing.[/QUOTE]
" Have a nice evening " look at that creep in the video guys obviously wants to get in her pants.
The fact of the matter is there is no way you can stop "perverts", which are just unattractive dudes playing the numbers game. They're trying to pick up women on the street because that's the only thing they know, the only thing they can do, and the only thing that's worked for them. It's not that big of a deal.
Yeah, sure, these undesirable street-dwellers throwing compliments at you as you walk from your acting gig to go grab a pumpkin spice latte from Starbucks is a minor annoyance. But that doesn't mean these [I]horrible[/I] guys on the street are [b][I]LITERALLY[/I][/b] raping them by checking them out.
What kills me is the fucking blatant money grab by asking for donations for this imaginary cause. I guess her acting career isn't doing so well.
[QUOTE=Spagetto;46369179]How often do u see gross old men greeting young men and asking how their day is going[/QUOTE]
i live in the south so alot actually
[QUOTE=Foogooman;46372637]For fucks sake, all the agrees with this post. You have no idea how uncomfortable it is, they are [I]not[/I] just trying to be nice, don't be naive[/QUOTE]
but like someone said on the first page, it's sexist that you think all of the guys in the video just want to get their dicks wet
the clips where it just shows someone walk straight by her and say "have a good evening" etc is what i'm talking about, they [I]are[/I] just trying to be nice, they wished her a good day / complimented her and continued on their way and didn't persistently bother her
[QUOTE=Foogooman;46372637]For fucks sake, all the agrees with this post. You have no idea how uncomfortable it is, they are [I]not[/I] just trying to be nice, don't be naive
[/QUOTE]
Better than the harassment I received.
Who cares, this is a first world issue. "Oh no, men try to chat me up because I'm pretty"
Yes it's fucking annoying, but that's it, annoying. Get a pair of earphones, that is a universal sign of "I'm not talking to anyone"
Also why are you people acting shocked that men are trying to get in her pants, at the end of the day that is goal of pretty much any guy looking a relationship with a girl.
Humans are sexual beings, that is the primary goal of fucking life. Go get pissed at the grass being green too.
[QUOTE=KorJax;46373126]This
Why is this so hard to understand people, you have to be about as socially awkward and uncomfortable to be around as the people in the video to not understand this
Tone and intent is everything when you interact with people. Every single person in the video catcalling the girl comes off to anyone who isn't completely incapable of reading people as a total creeper. Its awkward, uncomfortable and not acceptable.
I don't think this is so much a MASSIVE FEMINIST ISSUE that people are trying to make it out to be. But you are silly if you think that any guy in the video was okay with what they were doing. They were creeps. This is about general acceptable behavior and avoiding harassment no matter what gender you are.
As a gay man, if I walked through a gay district and got the same shit I would feel uncomfortable as hell and the guy responsible sure as hell wouldn't be in the clear. There is socially acceptable behavior and ways of greeting/being nice, and then there is stepping over the line when you are introducing to yourself. The intent of every single one of the men in the video is obvious - get in her pants, and they want her to know it. There's a time and a place to make advances and randomly in the street in those sorts of ways with a total strangers is not one of them.
[editline]31st October 2014[/editline]
If anything this video has proven how many people out there are socially awkward (in ways not typically seen as socially awkward), and totally blind to reading tone/signals/intent in people. Anyone who is capable of reading intent/tone/etc knows that the stuff guys did in the video was not okay to do. People who can't read those signals seem to be the only ones who think the guys were just trying to be nice and complementing.[/QUOTE]
Saying that every person in that video is trying to get in her pants is bullshit, saying that most men who watch this video are 'social awkward' is also bullshit. You can't just blanket everyone in their like that, and people watching a video can't necessary judge tone and 'signals' properly because their not actually there, they're watching a video, body language and tone doesn't come through so well. Also people can judge body language it differently to how you might perceive it, you can't just say their wrong and you're right, its not so clear cut.
The original video "I just saw a thousand dollars"
[B]VERBAL HARASSMENT! RAPE! RAAAAAAAPE![/B]
No, fuck off. The guy was tacky and it's definitely rude but you shouldn't call it "harassment"
[editline]31st October 2014[/editline]
Just showed my mom the original video, she says that the girl should "go fuck herself" and flicked off the screen. Love ya, mom.
pumpkin spice season son
So there was an actual one made.
[video=youtube;75aX9mlipiY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75aX9mlipiY[/video]
[QUOTE=Buck.;46376832]Who cares, this is a first world issue. "Oh no, men try to chat me up because I'm pretty"
Yes it's fucking annoying, but that's it, annoying. Get a pair of earphones, that is a universal sign of "I'm not talking to anyone"
Also why are you people acting shocked that men are trying to get in her pants, at the end of the day that is goal of pretty much any guy looking a relationship with a girl.
Humans are sexual beings, that is the primary goal of fucking life. Go get pissed at the grass being green too.[/QUOTE]
I can understand being uncomfortable about the being followed and the random "damn girl" sort of comments, that's fucking weird creepy behavior, but honestly I don't get the issue with the hellos and stuff like you said.
How else are guys supposed to meet girls, particularly if you're kind of ugly? You can't blame them for trying with people in the street since it's the safest bet, if it goes your way then great and if it doesn't you can just walk away and forget about it with no repercussions.
[QUOTE=Psycho9182;46381123]So there was an actual one made.
[video=youtube;75aX9mlipiY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75aX9mlipiY[/video][/QUOTE]
This is highly interesting, but has a few flaws.
While on the original video, the woman portrayed was well above average looking. Catcalling, etc... happens to almost every woman across the spectrum.
This guy, on the other hand, happens to be ripped and very good looking, while wearing an extra tight t-shirt that exposes his figure.
If he was dressed casually, I doubt he would get many, if any of these "complements".
If it was just an extremely average guy walking down the street, he would get no calls.
All of these videos have a bias, and I'm still waiting for the one that doesn't.
How is hollaback going to stop street harassment? By selling t-shirts and posting flyers everywhere?
I'm not convinced. It looks like a ploy for money.
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