Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically - General

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51955103]Part of the problem of the alt-right (in particular) is that it behaves very similarly to a cult (which is interesting as the root ideology, neoreaction, tends to avoid that despite being incredibly similar, but then again neoreactionaries aren't trying to hide how awful they are). If he's started reading articles from alt-right authors, joining in on alt-right streams and posting in alt-right circles he's pretty much fucked. It's very easy to get enraptured by the alt-right. Especially if you're a somewhat undecided individual on where you stand politically, or somewhat jaded, or perhaps just generally disillusioned. But much like almost every single cult out there, alt-right communities will attempt to snare you in. With promises along the lines of "Ohh we know the truth though! Don't believe the [I]other[/I]!", and the steady welcome of "Hey have you considered perhaps that white people are getting shafted a bit today??!?". It's not a blaring foghorn of "FUCK BLACKS AND KIKES" when you first approach it, but before you know it you're reading Brietbart like a madman, posting sick Pepe memes about how black people suck and all that stereotypical alt-right trash. And due to how alt-right communities work you're in that echo chamber [I]hard[/I] now. "Hey why aren't you following x or y??!? They shut FEMINAZIS down hahaha", posting dissenting opinions is straight up bannable in most alt-right circles, etc. So you'll never really see any competing ideas for very long, or at least not long enough to engage. And lets not even begin with how dishonestly every single alt-right shitlord "debates". Jon was on the softer end of the alt-right debate style throughout this thing, with dismissals and weasel words galore. If he's in, he's probably in pretty good by this point. It'll take a silly amount of work to actually convince him of anything if he's truly in as he'd be corroborating information with alt-right communities to see if he was actually wrong.[/QUOTE] the alt right is the almost perfect mirror image of the SJWs they complain about

Noone is ever talking about Jontron's worst atrocity. Unlisting his Sonic R video.

[QUOTE=HazzaHardie;51955049]Some of the things he says are pretty outrageous like how he compared the genocide of native Americans and Tibet to American immigration[/QUOTE] [quote]They're [whites] are not being killed, they're being displaced. You are the same guy who says that Europeans displaced the native Americans but apparently, when other people do it to white Americans, it's okay because fuck white people.[/quote] [quote]Why is it when the chinese were trying to colonise tibet, why was that a save tibet situation but when it's white people... I'm using an analogy to try to give a parallel situation so you can see the hypocrisy.[/quote] wowzers

[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;51954996]I hope no one goes after his sponsors for this. What he said was dumb but he doesn't deserve to have his entire career ruined for it.[/QUOTE] That guy was making jokes. These are JonTron's direct [I]thoughts[/I] on race & immigration issues.

[QUOTE=Hogie bear;51954615]All you need is Jerma985. He's the definition of a cinnamon bun. I can't think of a single person he has been mean to. [t]https://i.imgur.com/1kregUA.png[/t] How can anyone not love this man?[/QUOTE] this post is gonna get really uncomfortable when we find out he rapes puppies

[QUOTE=Pappi_man;51955021]I don't think he outright hates 'em.[/QUOTE] You don't have to outright hate people to be racist against em. Not every racist runs around in white robes and swastika tatoos

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51955121]wowzers[/QUOTE] he's directly comparing mexicans entering the country with the forced relocation and genocide of native american populations like holy shit

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51954526]this is all actually gamergate's fault[/QUOTE] It's about ethics. Not in journalism, just in general.

[QUOTE=windows098;51954868][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Lg9Zbdb.png[/IMG] Jon's subs are starting to go down.[/QUOTE] Good. I hope his sponsors hear about this and drop him. He can go suck off Breitbart if he wants internet cash

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51955113]the alt right is the almost perfect mirror image of the SJWs they complain about[/QUOTE] At least the "SJWs" didn't assist in getting some total fucking buffoon into one of the most powerful seats in the country. The alt-rights' capacity for information warfare is somewhat astounding. Hell, I wouldn't even call the "SJWs" (are we not done with this one yet?) anywhere near as cult-like. There are fewer communities that are obvious hotspots for people of hypocritically progressive belief. Whereas the alt-right have huge, easy to find, obvious gathering points in Reddit sections like /r/the_donald, /r/theredpill, etc. that are fairly well know. The alt-right are vastly more organised than a loose collection of Tumblr blogs complaining about men or whatever. That's easy to get away from. Alt-right communities tend to be a lot more aggressive in their content policing, to even see a dissenting opinion on any of the above mentioned sub-Reddits is a rarity. To see people even get a chance to "debate" it? I've never seen it happen.

[QUOTE=Cone;51955126]this post is gonna get really uncomfortable when we find out he rapes puppies[/QUOTE] He actually has an illegal rat farm in his house. Thats why whenever Kim comes on, he cuts the mic, she's not his girlfriend, she's the curator of the rat farm. They use slave rat labor to grow rat sized wheat.

Jon, you suck at debating. Get better at it or just stop because you're ruining yourself.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51955136]It's about ethics. Not in journalism, just in general.[/QUOTE] I was 'involved' in gamergate. I thought some journalists did some shitty things. I didn't cleanly transition from that to "black people are criminals". Did I miss something? Was I not invited to the "now lets all become nationalist cunts" meeting?

[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;51954866]I finally understand what Jon saw in Arin Hanson. [B]Himself[/B]. Not only is he a racist, but he also argues like a little child.[/QUOTE] I still recall back in the day when Jon left Game Grumps everyone assumed that Arin was the bad egg in the scenario and drove off Jon, but as the years go on people keep reappraising that... [i]🤔[/i]

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51955152]At least the "SJWs" didn't assist in getting some total fucking buffoon into one of the most powerful seats in the country. The alt-rights' capacity for information warfare is somewhat astounding. Hell, I wouldn't even call the "SJWs" (are we not done with this one yet?) anywhere near as cult-like. There are fewer communities that are obvious hotspots for people of hypocritically progressive belief. Whereas the alt-right have huge, easy to find, obvious gathering points in Reddit sections like /r/the_donald, /r/theredpill, etc. that are fairly well know. The alt-right are vastly more organised than a loose collection of Tumblr blogs complaining about men or whatever. That's easy to get away from. Alt-right communities tend to be a lot more aggressive in their content policing, to even see a dissenting opinion on any of the above mentioned sub-Reddits is a rarity. To see people even get a chance to "debate" it? I've never seen it happen.[/QUOTE] Also correct me if I'm somehow horribly mistaken but it seems to me that the extreme left/sjw's don't have nearly the same amount of actual influence and power in governing bodies and media compared to the extreme right/alt-right.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51955174]Jon, you suck at debating. Get better at it or just stop because you're ruining yourself.[/QUOTE] And on the flip side, while I've known of destiny for a long time I never really knew or appreciated his political side. Well researched, and also direct and somewhat terse.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51955152]At least the "SJWs" didn't assist in getting some total fucking buffoon into one of the most powerful seats in the country. The alt-rights' capacity for information warfare is somewhat astounding. Hell, I wouldn't even call the "SJWs" (are we not done with this one yet?) anywhere near as cult-like. There are fewer communities that are obvious hotspots for people of hypocritically progressive belief. Whereas the alt-right have huge, easy to find, obvious gathering points in Reddit sections like /r/the_donald, /r/theredpill, etc. that are fairly well know. The alt-right are vastly more organised than a loose collection of Tumblr blogs complaining about men or whatever. That's easy to get away from. Alt-right communities tend to be a lot more aggressive in their content policing, to even see a dissenting opinion on any of the above mentioned sub-Reddits is a rarity. To see people even get a chance to "debate" it? I've never seen it happen.[/QUOTE] SJWs basically own NeoGAF at this point. That's a big, big position of power in the game industry. Most of us agree NeoGAF is shit, but it's high profile enough that some industry jobs will require you to have an account there. SJWs also own a lot of subreddits that are unrelated to politics.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51955196]Also correct me if I'm somehow horribly mistaken but it seems to me that the extreme left/sjw's don't have nearly the same amount of actual influence and power in governing bodies and media compared to the extreme right/alt-right.[/QUOTE] This can be attributed to government being mostly run by right leaning people. SJWs would have a lot more power if most of the ruling body was left leaning.

[QUOTE=Cone;51955126]this post is gonna get really uncomfortable when we find out he rapes puppies[/QUOTE] [media]https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/741904787361300481[/media] (this and [URL="https://twitter.com/dril/status/514845232509501440?lang=en"]"the celebs are at it again"[/URL] will never not be relevant)

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51955177]I was 'involved' in gamergate. I thought some journalists did some shitty things. I didn't cleanly transition from that to "black people are criminals". Did I miss something? Was I not invited to the "now lets all become nationalist cunts" meeting?[/QUOTE] They're not intrinsically tied obviously. But you'd be kidding yourself if you claim to not see some connections. Who rose to prominence because he latched on to GamerGate? Even if GG supporters who don't suffer from some mental disorder did distance themselves from him (after months of his shit)? That's right, it's Milo! Who perpetuates alt-right garbage in snappy sensationalised headlines for a dishrag of a site? Milo, again! Until GG he was still a nobody tbh. Breitbart was also ignorable. But the second he latched on to the movement he exposed himself (hue) and his awful ideology to a lot of people, and likely a lot of impressionable people who'd just worked out that their hobby doesn't really have a cohesive journalism industry, so they're probably annoyed or jaded. Perfect targets for a bit of manipulation tbh (the whole "hey we have the truth!" angle). The alt-right has been around for bloody years now. But it only really shot to the limelight in the last few because it found causes to latch on to and present an "alternate" solution to in the form of regressing super hard.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51955202]This can be attributed to government being mostly run by right leaning people. SJWs would have a lot more power if most of the ruling body was left leaning.[/QUOTE] True, and the reason I bring it up is because the alt-right appear to see themselves as the underdog in a world gone mad with PC culture - it's delusional.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51955197]And on the flip side, while I've known of destiny for a long time I never really knew or appreciated his political side. Well researched, and also direct and somewhat terse.[/QUOTE] destiny is so fucking good when it comes to one on one discussions like things like "name 5 african countries" may come off as stupid bullshit, but all that is is him trying to gauge how much the other person actually knows about the subject. A lot of people can't actually answer questions like that. the reason he was spouting so many statistics and figures and names for the economic side of things is that he just had a discussion with Laura Southern about this exact subject. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhYXZtCaSng[/media] it's also a really good debate, I'd check it out if you have the time

Destiny said he didn't want to kill Jons career over this but it looks like he did it himself

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51955200]SJWs basically own NeoGAF at this point. That's a big, big position of power in the game industry. Most of us agree NeoGAF is shit, but it's high profile enough that some industry jobs will require you to have an account there. SJWs also own a lot of subreddits that are unrelated to politics.[/QUOTE] I get the GAF still has some impact, big sites listen to it a lot, vendors usually end up going there first. But that is [B]nothing[/B] compared to the impact alt-right communities can have. Considering they directly influence politics now via Bannon and his ilk.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51955210]They're not intrinsically tied obviously. But you'd be kidding yourself if you claim to not see some connections. Who rose to prominence because he latched on to GamerGate? Even if GG supporters who don't suffer from some mental disorder did distance themselves from him (after months of his shit)? That's right, it's Milo! Who perpetuates alt-right garbage in snappy sensationalised headlines for a dishrag of a site? Milo, again! Until GG he was still a nobody tbh. Breitbart was also ignorable. But the second he latched on to the movement he exposed himself (hue) and his awful ideology to a lot of people, and likely a lot of impressionable people who'd just worked out that their hobby doesn't really have a cohesive journalism industry, so they're probably annoyed or jaded. Perfect targets for a bit of manipulation tbh (the whole "hey we have the truth!" angle). The alt-right has been around for bloody years now. But it only really shot to the limelight in the last few because it found causes to latch on to and present an "alternate" solution to in the form of regressing super hard.[/QUOTE] I mean, obviously there's a connection. I would never deny that. I just don't get it.

[QUOTE=Hogie bear;51954615]All you need is Jerma985. He's the definition of a cinnamon bun. I can't think of a single person he has been mean to. [t]https://i.imgur.com/1kregUA.png[/t] How can anyone not love this man?[/QUOTE] if anything bad is ever unearthed about jerma im going to be heartbroken what a wonderful human being

Im watching this again and man, Jon is just such a frustrating person to talk to it seems. I dont know how Destiny put up with this shit. Jon really came off as this coagulation of every single victim complex, irrationality, and hearsay that you hear all the fucking time from these circles that he's engaged in. Everything he said was very eerily familiar down to the word, he was absolutely regurgitating the most uninformed and widespread talking points that came to his head and I feel as if this is an insight into the average holder of these thoughts. Really, if you havent actually watched the full two hours you should.

[QUOTE=KillRay;51955216]Destiny said he didn't want to kill Jons career over this but it looks like he did it himself[/QUOTE] I doubt Jon will be affected very much, not all his subscribers will ever hear about this debate and unfortunately a lot of people do agree with Jon's racist views

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51955200]SJWs basically own NeoGAF at this point. That's a big, big position of power in the game industry. Most of us agree NeoGAF is shit, but it's high profile enough that some industry jobs will require you to have an account there. SJWs also own a lot of subreddits that are unrelated to politics.[/QUOTE] yea, thats certainly on the same scale as owning parts of the american government

[QUOTE=Hogie bear;51954615]All you need is Jerma985. He's the definition of a cinnamon bun. I can't think of a single person he has been mean to. [t]https://i.imgur.com/1kregUA.png[/t] How can anyone not love this man?[/QUOTE] jerma on economics [url]https://clips.twitch.tv/FriendlyTransparentAye-AyeRuleFive[/url]