Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically - General

I remember sitting in Bro Teams Coolhole once and they put on a series of videos where Destiny had a guy on who ruined a girls life because he forced her into giving her nudes and leaked them for whatever reason. I forget who that was.

[QUOTE=Naught;51955235]yea, thats certainly on the same scale as owning parts of the american government[/QUOTE] I'm not saying it's comparable, I'm just saying it's more than just a bunch of unaffiliated blogs on tumblr.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51955240]I remember sitting in Bro Teams Coolhole once and they put on a series of videos where Destiny had a guy on who ruined a girls life because he forced her into giving her nudes and leaked them for whatever reason. I forget who that was.[/QUOTE] XJ9. That series of videos was insane. Highly recommended to watch

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51955240]I remember sitting in Bro Teams Coolhole once and they put on a series of videos where Destiny had a guy on who ruined a girls life because he forced her into giving her nudes and leaked them for whatever reason. I forget who that was.[/QUOTE] league player xj9? edit: [QUOTE=KillRay;51955245]XJ9.[/QUOTE] et tu, killray?

Destiny honestly has the best stream. Such a wide array of topics and many in depth but still conversational debates on politics. He thinks in an interesting way. Tuning into his vod channel is a treat if you like long discussion videos.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51955220]I mean, obviously there's a connection. I would never deny that. I just don't get it.[/QUOTE] I wish I could work out more as to [I]why[/I] it was GG. Why not any other movement? Why that one specific thing wherein a bunch of us nerds finally realised "hey that's weird" about a otherwise innocuous thing in gaming. Nobody in the alt-right until that point gave a fuck about interactive media, particularly video games. It was "beta cuck" stuff. Milo changed that. He found them a target and they followed in perfect lock-step.

[QUOTE=I;51954020]I wonder if the media will latch onto this as much as they did with pewdiepie.[/QUOTE] I was making fun of how the media got riled up over pewdiepie's joke, but will completely ignore this (neither should happen).

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51955260]I wish I could work out more as to [I]why[/I] it was GG. Why not any other movement? Why that one specific thing wherein a bunch of us nerds finally realised "hey that's weird" about a otherwise innocuous thing in gaming. Nobody in the alt-right until that point gave a fuck about interactive media, particularly video games. It was "beta cuck" stuff. Milo changed that. He found them a target and they followed in perfect lock-step.[/QUOTE] It still baffles me how "indie game developer got a few unfairly good scores" was the straw that broke the camel's back, not something like [URL="https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/11/30/"]Gamespot/Kane & Lynch[/URL] or [URL="http://studio.ign.com/wp-content/uploads/me3_screen.jpg"]IGN/ME3[/URL] that [I]actually[/I] showed massive flaws in the video games b/w journalism spheres. sorry for going a bit off-topic

How depressing that this meme became so sadly relevant. [t]http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/053/562/08f.jpg[/t] I defended him before because I genuinely thought that people were blowing things out of proportion, but damn, what can one say about this?

[QUOTE=Talvy;51955270]How is this dumb? I'm making fun of how the media got riled up over pewdiepie's joke, but will completely ignore this (neither should happen).[/QUOTE] pewdiepie is several orders of magnitude more famous than jontron

[QUOTE=windows098;51954868][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Lg9Zbdb.png[/IMG] Jon's subs are starting to go down.[/QUOTE]let's hope he loses all of them /s

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51955244]I'm not saying it's comparable, I'm just saying it's more than just a bunch of unaffiliated blogs on tumblr.[/QUOTE] I don't think NeoGaf is really relevant? maybe they have an effect on the games industry but the alt right is informing national policy.

[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;51955275]It still baffles me how "indie game developer got a few unfairly good scores" was the straw that broke the camel's back[/QUOTE] It wasnt that in and of itself, it was the response to that response that set the entirety of GG off. The others were fairly common knowledge and meme level already, it was specifically the level of collusion and simultaneous, synchronized shitflinging with the same wording and direction that made people go "yo okay this is super fucked."

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51954142]It's odd because I have actually seen Japan being criticized for xenophobia and a difficult-to-assimilate-to culture. So yeah, I guess some people are saying that Japan should become less Japanese. As far as I see it, culture [I]is[/I] worth preserving, but any sort of "white" or "western" culture is not at risk of being wiped out or anything. "Western culture" is in of itself a synthesis of a long history of cultural interaction. In fact, if you look at America in particular, you'll see evidence to the contrary of any sort of ethnic or cultural genocide being even possible. Both Native Americans and African Americans were subjected to some of the most horrific treatment of any ethnic group in history, and yet their culture persists centuries later. It is very very hard to exterminate a cultural identity. Would something as big, amorphous, and pervasive as the whole of western culture be at risk of attack from those darn muzzies and sharia law? I really fucking doubt it.[/QUOTE] As far as I can tell it happens quite a bit, but mostly through some larger culture being 'cool' and younger people not following traditions rather than through active oppression (which probably has the opposite effect, really).

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51955291]It wasnt that in and of itself, it was the response to that response that set the entirety of GG off.[/QUOTE] yeah I think it mostly has to do with insecurity, and the alt right providing a safe space where those people would feel accepted no matter what

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51955220]I mean, obviously there's a connection. I would never deny that. I just don't get it.[/QUOTE] It's hard to articulate because its mostly a perception thing that really developed over our peripheries over the course of multiple years, but GG really seemed like the first big SJW vs. Anti-SJW bout. It transitioned perfectly into the election and was where this division really stemmed from where people started getting a lot more heated about politics, mostly in the social issues side of things. As much as GG was an ethics in gaming journalism movement, it was just as much if not more about more surface level and general debates on identity politics, social justice, etc. It also coincided with the rise of BLM and the occurence of many high-profile racial justice incidents. It's very much a multi-influence melting pot that rose to the current situation, and GG played a significant part IMO.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51955260]I wish I could work out more as to [I]why[/I] it was GG. Why not any other movement? Why that one specific thing wherein a bunch of us nerds finally realised "hey that's weird" about a otherwise innocuous thing in gaming. Nobody in the alt-right until that point gave a fuck about interactive media, particularly video games. It was "beta cuck" stuff. Milo changed that. He found them a target and they followed in perfect lock-step.[/QUOTE] Because no event prior demonstrated such a clear, organized campaign of bullshit and intellectual dishonesty from the far left. Gamergate was such a clear example not only of blatant lying and pushing a false agenda by huge amounts of journalistic publications, but showed just how many previously assumed to be trustworthy publications and resources had been "infected" by people willing to be dishonest to push that agenda. That was also the turning point where places like NeoGAF and certain subreddits started censoring people whose opinions didn't line up with the people pushing the agendas. So we have oppression, bullying and outright attacking people's identity as a gamer, and the perpetrators are unambiguously left wing. It's the perfect storm for the alt-right to start recruiting.

god, why do all the cool and interesting people have to turn out to actually suck

[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;51955284]let's hope he loses all of them[/QUOTE] Why? Dude may have said some stupid stuff but he still makes good videos. Far as I'm concerned I'm gonna stay subscribed to him unless he actively starts talking about mass killing innocents in the streets.

You could really write a [B]very[/B] long thesis of the influence of gamergate.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51955285]I don't think NeoGaf is really relevant? maybe they have an effect on the games industry but the alt right is informing national policy.[/QUOTE] Like I said, I didn't say it was comparable.

No wonder Jontron won't watch Dunkey's videos just cause he's black.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51955308]Because no event prior demonstrated such a clear, organized campaign of bullshit and intellectual dishonesty from the far left. Gamergate was such a clear example not only of blatant lying and pushing a false agenda by huge amounts of journalistic publications, but showed just how many previously assumed to be trustworthy publications and resources had been "infected" by people willing to be dishonest to push that agenda. That was also the turning point where places like NeoGAF and certain subreddits started censoring people whose opinions didn't line up with the people pushing the agendas. So we have oppression, bullying and outright attacking people's identity as a gamer, and the perpetrators are unambiguously left wing. It's the perfect storm for the alt-right to start recruiting.[/QUOTE] but that was fucking video game journalism like I don't understand how you go from "gamasutra doesn't operate with impeccable journalistic standards" to "muslims are destroying sweden and we have to preserve a white america" like I just don't get how one influences the other in the mind of any reasonable human being. What sane person thinks the actions of The Escapist are in any way even tangentially related to the fucking New York Times?

I can't believe jontron is dead

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51955326]but that was fucking video game journalism like I don't understand how you go from "gamasutra doesn't operate with impeccable journalistic standards" to "muslims are destroying sweden and we have to preserve a white america"[/QUOTE] It's the type of people you start hanging out with, the types of internet communities you frequent, the type of websites you start getting news from, etc. I know a guy who, on an ideological level, is pretty left wing both economically and socially, but all he ever spouts is alt-right garbage and he's a Donald Trump supporter. Why? Because he gets all his information from places like Breitbart and Youtube channels like Sargon of Assad. With enough questionable information you can make someone take almost any position.

[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;51955312]Why? Dude may have said some stupid stuff but he still makes good videos. Far as I'm concerned I'm gonna stay subscribed to him unless he actively starts talking about mass killing innocents in the streets.[/QUOTE]i was being sarcastic by embellishing the cheering on of him losing subscribers. i don't want him to actually lose all his subscribers it was a shitty lapse in judgment on my part, sorry

I defended him before because he just seemed a little ignorant of certain aspects but otherwise seemed like he had ok opinions, but this pretty much proves I was wrong to give him the benefit of the doubt. :disappoint:

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51955308]Because no event prior demonstrated such a clear, organized campaign of bullshit and intellectual dishonesty from the far left. Gamergate was such a clear example not only of blatant lying and pushing a false agenda by huge amounts of journalistic publications, but showed just how many previously assumed to be trustworthy publications and resources had been "infected" by people willing to be dishonest to push that agenda. That was also the turning point where places like NeoGAF and certain subreddits started censoring people whose opinions didn't line up with the people pushing the agendas. So we have oppression, bullying and outright attacking people's identity as a gamer, and the perpetrators are unambiguously left wing. It's the perfect storm for the alt-right to start recruiting.[/QUOTE] gg has sweet fa to do with the "far left" (who are busy asking for the redistribution of wealth and the return of the ownership of the means of production to the proletariat) and everything to do with opportunists who realised they can make some good cash under the guise of progressive ideals. Notice how they only really started getting aggressive with their push back once people attacked their advertising deals? Before that it was mostly just whining on Twitter and being dicks. Communities "censoring" and joining in is just a part of manipulation. Do not confuse the genuine far left with loonies on the Internet who manipulate others for income.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51955260]I wish I could work out more as to [I]why[/I] it was GG. Why not any other movement? Why that one specific thing wherein a bunch of us nerds finally realised "hey that's weird" about a otherwise innocuous thing in gaming. Nobody in the alt-right until that point gave a fuck about interactive media, particularly video games. It was "beta cuck" stuff. Milo changed that. He found them a target and they followed in perfect lock-step.[/QUOTE] it was probably the first time a lot of younger people who normally stayed out of politics of any sort started getting to the age of maturity where you start getting interested and were "woken up" to the concept of the media being corrupt. in this position you're in a pretty vulnerable spot where if someone appears to be "dropping truths" and defending you you begin to trust them. when he went back to his usual schlock they followed it because of that trust. i'm pretty sure most of the people into GG were younger, 16 to early 20 year olds. its kind of like when someone goes off to college and gets really political because they've "had their eyes opened" or whatever. basically vulnerable people in the formation stage of their ideals getting exploited when i was involved, i exclusively kept to facepunch with it which honestly was the best way. i distrusted milo from the beginning and knew he was just using GG for his own means.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51955353]It's the type of people you start hanging out with, the types of internet communities you frequent, the type of websites you start getting news from, etc. I know a guy who, on an ideological level, is pretty left wing both economically and socially, but all he ever spouts is alt-right garbage and he's a Donald Trump supporter. Why? Because he gets all his information from places like Breitbart and Youtube channels like Sargon of Assad. With enough questionable information you can make someone take almost any position.[/QUOTE] Precisely. GG gave the alt-right an opening to expose their communities to pissed off gamers looking for answers. The ultimate in easy-mode for cult-like ideology. Nobody actively hunted these dudes down because they followed GG, but by following GG they had a reasonable chance of coming across these communities after The Miloing.